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Ryzen 1700 build

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    #2
    BloodBath
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    Nice build. I'd maybe up the card to an RX 570. That resolution will require a bit more grunt than a 460 can give for decent gaming performance imo even on lower settings for the demanding ones.


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    wotzgoingon
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    I would not recommend buying the case from minfactory as you will get charged twice for delivery as it is 30 for everything and then another 30 euro for the case. I would also buy everything from Mindfactory bar the case as if there is no free shipping from amazon.de then any savings to be made will be redundant.


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    TerrorFirmer
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    Nice build. I'd maybe up the card to an RX 570. That resolution will require a bit more grunt than a 460 can give for decent gaming performance imo even on lower settings for the demanding ones.

    Agree, even for light gaming with the latest games, 1080p low to medium range is as good as it gets for the RX460 so 4K gaming is totally out of the question unless the games are older titles or ones like LOL or CS: GO.

    I would say an RX570 is a sound investment, should allow you to run new games at 3440x1440 at medium pretty comfortably.


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    Billy86
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    Just a heads up you'll get the mobo cheaper from Amazon UK, as well as free delivery - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus (£78 = €92)

    Also, not sure on how this would work out... if 2x8GB if quicker than 1x16GB when it comes to RAM due to dual channel, would 4x4GB be faster again as quad channel? Best to get someone's opinion on that first, but you can get 4x4GB 3000mhz for E93 (€108) - says it does not deliver to Ireland but you can use Parcel Motel for €4 - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/2CL7YJ/a-data-memory-ax4u3000w4g16qgz. If worthwhile, that's a saving of €29 between the RAM and mobo, plus about another €7 on deliver (think Amazon DE is €5.99 per item typically).

    Even if you don't want to spend extra on a 470 (it is nearly double the price to be fair), the above would at least cover the difference of upgrading to a 1050 TI.

    Another option is Amazon Warehouse's 'spring cleaning' sale, where they are taking an additional 20% off all selected items at the checkout. It closes Tuesday night at 11:59pm so you'd need to look and be ready to act fast, especially as items come and go very quickly, but for example right now there is an R9 380 available for €140 once the discount is applied (you won't see it until you're right up at the payment screen): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-PCI-E-Gaming-Graphics-Card/dp/B00ZU48KI0/ref=sr_1_55?m=A2OAJ7377F756P&s=warehouse-deals&ie=UTF8&qid=1494804684&sr=1-55 . There is also the 30 day money back guarantee if you're unhappy for any reason.

    **Also be sure to pay in Euro and not £ at Amazon UK, they add a good 4-5c on to the exchange rate typically if you pay in Euro which is a bit cheeky.

    Quick, easy comparisons:
    460 (€115) vs 470 (€200) - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-470-vs-AMD-RX-460/3640vs3641
    460 vs 1050 TI (€140) - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-460/3649vs3641
    1050 TI vs 470 - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640
    380 (€140) vs 1050 TI - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-R9-380/3649vs3482
    380 vs 470 - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-470-vs-AMD-R9-380/3640vs3482


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    wotzgoingon
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Just a heads up you'll get the mobo cheaper from Amazon UK, as well as free delivery - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus (?78 = €92)

    Also, not sure on how this would work out... if 2x8GB if quicker than 1x16GB when it comes to RAM due to dual channel, would 4x4GB be faster again as quad channel?

    Dual channel should be faster than single but using all four slots does not mean quad. If it was quad on a ATX board it would have 8 slots.


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    Billy86
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    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Dual channel should be faster than single but using all four slots does not mean quad. If it was quad on a ATX board it would have 8 slots.

    Ah, got you now. All the same would it hamper performance, given it's a fairly reasonable saving for the OP to put towards a GPU? I was looking at a 460 myself lately on a budget build, but as much as I tried to justify it for price it really is quite weak... somehow I think of all things, reading the specs when the RX550 came out opened my eyes to that! :D


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    Xenoronin
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    Note that buying a PSU from Germany will result in it shipping with an EU Kettle lead. Not a massive issue if you have a spare one lying around, or just order a PSU from amazon.co.uk or overclockers.co.uk.


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    cintec
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Ah, got you now. All the same would it hamper performance, given it's a fairly reasonable saving for the OP to put towards a GPU? I was looking at a 460 myself lately on a budget build, but as much as I tried to justify it for price it really is quite weak... somehow I think of all things, reading the specs when the RX550 came out opened my eyes to that! :D

    Thanks billy I'll have a look at that graphics card, I went with 2x8gb because I wanted the option to add another 16gb if needed in the future.


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    Billy86
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    cintec wrote: »
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Ah, got you now. All the same would it hamper performance, given it's a fairly reasonable saving for the OP to put towards a GPU? I was looking at a 460 myself lately on a budget build, but as much as I tried to justify it for price it really is quite weak... somehow I think of all things, reading the specs when the RX550 came out opened my eyes to that! :D

    Thanks billy I'll have a look at that graphics card, I went with 2x8gb because I wanted the option to add another 16gb if needed in the future.
    No worries, I did the same with mine re the ram also - only 1x8 since its an i5 so not as much demand for ram. Feeling like a bit of an eejit though since its 2133mhz and I might ramp up a little but need to look into as I've heard it helps on civ vi, but yeah the upgrade path is always handy esp since a 1700 I would imagine should have a lot of lifespan in it.

    Just a heads up though because the wording. Ightfield have been confusing last night (it was late) - the 550 is fecking awful :p ! Was doing a very budget build just last week, mostly HTPC setup with the ability for some light gaming and thought it might be a better deal than the 460 but it turned out to not be the case, would not recommend it at all, it's considerably weaker than the 460 again.

    Re the 460, and to be clear others in here would now more than me, but a 1050 (non TI) might even be better than the 4gb model, as apparently its very linuted capacity means the extra 2gb would largely be redundant. Personally I think it it would be able to hold up - just - in the here and now, but a big concern is if it will be usable even on min specs within a year. On the other hand if like me you can't spot the difference between 45 and 60fps that often, it might not make a difference (the person I'm building for works with cameras so I wasn't taking the gamble!)


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    cintec
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    I can't spot the difference between the mac pro retina and non retina so I guess 45 and 60 wouldn't make a difference.
    I added everything from my build to mindfactory and because I can buy them through work everything without the graphics card comes to 750.


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    BloodBath
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    A GTX 1050 is barely better than a 460 and is still going to be **** at that resolution. It's not simply a matter of 45 vs 60 fps. It's going to give you crap sub 30 frame rates even on lower settings. A 570 is far better than a 1050. It's about 60-70% faster than the 1050ti. Probably close to twice as fast as the 1050.

    Sure it's nearly double the price but you're getting what you pay for.


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    Billy86
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    A GTX 1050 is barely better than a 460 and is still going to be **** at that resolution. It's not simply a matter of 45 vs 60 fps. It's going to give you crap sub 30 frame rates even on lower settings. A 570 is far better than a 1050. It's about 60-70% faster than the 1050ti. Probably close to twice as fast as the 1050.

    Sure it's nearly double the price but you're getting what you pay for.
    And there's the chance the OP doesn't want to pay an extra €100 on top of everything else given they've said they're not looking for a gaming machine, in which case they at least have options - 460 will struggle a lot, 470 will be better better, and the 1050 TI giving them somewhere in the middle of the road.

    These test videos of some of the more demanding titles around on a 1050TI/i3 6100 (which the 1700 obviously would leave in the dirt) on 1440p well above all low setting are pretty interesting (last few mins of each).











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    BloodBath
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    The highest resolution in those benchmarks is 2560 x 1440 which is around 3.7 million pixels. His monitor is 3440x1440 which is around 5 million pixels so it's around 30% more demanding.

    I'm seeing dips below 30 fps as it is. Expect dips below 20 at 3440x1440. That's not playable to me.


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    Billy86
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    As pointed out, the above is largely at medium and high as shown in the videos not low, and the only real dip below I noticed was MGSV on 4K which I believe is 8.3mn pixels. Either way I'll have one by next Monday so can try to run a test at 1440 ultrawide for the OP if it is of interest to them, though I imagine they may have likely bought one way or another by then.


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    BloodBath
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    If the op is ok with playing closer to 30-40 fps with sub 30 dips then the 1050ti is fine I guess. If he wants close to a solid 60fps with dips well above 30 then the 570 is the way to go.

    Op if you run those parts through this discount site and select mindfactory you should get a discounted price on most items. You could save a bit towards the 570. I put your parts through and it came to €1038 including the €30 mindfactory delivery and the cheapest RX 570 with the case from Amazon.

    Discount site.
    https://geizhals.de/

    Cheapest RX570 on Mindfactory. (€178.30 with Geizhals discount)
    https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4GB-Sapphire-Radeon-RX-570-Pulse-ITX-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167542.html


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    wotzgoingon
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    I'd go with the 570 if I was you OP.


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    Billy86
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    I will say to the OP that at below $180 it is tricky to argue against the 570, particularly if they can get the motherboard from Amazon UK to offset about a tenner of the €60 difference compared to the 460 in their initial build. By lowering the settings further than in the video about I would reckon they could manage above 30-40fps (or by lowering the resolution), but the 570 will provide more stability and allow higher settings at the full resolution which in itself is I guess the point of a 1440-UW monitor.


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    cintec
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    ok so just a quick update all items baring the graphics card came to €757 delivered and I have placed the order that leaves me with 200-250 to spend on a graphics card.

    my options are:

    Gigabyte AMD R9 380 G1 4 GB
    Gigabyte - Radeon RX 460 4GB
    4GB Sapphire Radeon RX 570

    I haven't played any game in a very long time and it is low on my list of priorities for this build it was just something I wanted to include the possibility of doing I may never play any game on this machine. The main purpose is for coding and playing films to make use of the full resolution of the screen.


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    Billy86
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    Well if you're happy to bump the budget up to €200-250, the best three options would be:

    1. RX 470 at €210 listed above (incl €30 delivery).
    2. RX 480 at €246 from Amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-DUAL-RX480-O4G-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01L3H2ZP6/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868735&sr=1-1&keywords=rx+480
    3. GTA 1060 6GB for €247 from Amazon (currently on ?55 discount) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GTX-1060-OC-PCI-Express/dp/B01MA3TYML/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868513&sr=1-5&keywords=1060+6gb

    Both from Amazon should be free delivery.

    1060 6GB vs 480 4GB differences seem very minimal though I'm sure some in here can give you more particulars - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-480/3639vs3634

    For reference, 1060 6GB vs 470 - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-470/3639vs3640

    *If you're in no rush on the GPU, there is also an out-of-stock RX 480 on Amazon for €215 which I'm assuming is a case of pay now, get it shipped automatically when it comes in stock (not sure when that is, though) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Graphics-Cards/GIGABYTE-Gaming-Memory-Polaris-FinFET-FreeSync-Express/B01JLG7HOK/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868735&sr=1-7&keywords=rx+480

    If you're comfy spending €200 I would say to forget about the 1050 TI and 460 altogether to be honest. There is also the 470 8GB VRAM model though (and I am completely open to correction on this) I believe the 480 4GB is better.

    EDIT:     You can probably get the €30 delivery taken off the 470 if you buy before Mindfactory send out the other bits so as to have it in the same delivery to bring it back to €178, though you would want to notify them in advance.


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    #21
    Lu Tze
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well if you're happy to bump the budget up to €200-250, the best three options would be:

    1. RX 470 at €210 listed above (incl €30 delivery).
    2. RX 480 at €246 from Amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-DUAL-RX480-O4G-Radeon-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01L3H2ZP6/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868735&sr=1-1&keywords=rx+480
    3. GTA 1060 6GB for €247 from Amazon (currently on ?55 discount) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GTX-1060-OC-PCI-Express/dp/B01MA3TYML/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868513&sr=1-5&keywords=1060+6gb

    Both from Amazon should be free delivery.

    1060 6GB vs 480 4GB differences seem very minimal though I'm sure some in here can give you more particulars - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-480/3639vs3634

    For reference, 1060 6GB vs 470 - http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-AMD-RX-470/3639vs3640

    *If you're in no rush on the GPU, there is also an out-of-stock RX 480 on Amazon for €215 which I'm assuming is a case of pay now, get it shipped automatically when it comes in stock (not sure when that is, though) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Graphics-Cards/GIGABYTE-Gaming-Memory-Polaris-FinFET-FreeSync-Express/B01JLG7HOK/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1494868735&sr=1-7&keywords=rx+480

    If you're comfy spending €200 I would say to forget about the 1050 TI and 460 altogether to be honest. There is also the 470 8GB VRAM model though (and I am completely open to correction on this) I believe the 480 4GB is better.

    If you're not sure if you will be playing any games, why don't you leave it for now, throw in a cheap card that will drive the resolution in non gaming apps. You can always add one in down the line


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    K.O.Kiki
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    If you're not sure if you will be playing any games, why don't you leave it for now, throw in a cheap card that will drive the resolution in non gaming apps. You can always add one in down the line

    Why do that when you can throw in a good card now & never worry about it for the next 2-3 years?

    Budget cards are a false economy if you're even considering gaming IMO

    There's a plethora of RX470/570, RX480/580 & GTX 1060 models available under OPs budget.


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    Lu Tze
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    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Why do that when you can throw in a good card now & never worry about it for the next 2-3 years?

    Budget cards are a false economy if you're even considering gaming IMO

    There's a plethora of RX470/570, RX480/580 & GTX 1060 models available under OPs budget.
    Spending €200-€300 now on a part that you may not utilise at all is a false economy. Pick up a hd7770 secondhand for €30, if you decide you want to game further down the line you may get more for your €200-€300 at that stage.


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    Billy86
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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Spending €200-€300 now on a part that you may not utilise at all is a false economy. Pick up a hd7770 secondhand for €30, if you decide you want to game further down the line you may get more for your €200-€300 at that stage.

    It does depend on if he plans on doing no gaming at all or just a small bit all the same. I was suggesting more budget friendly options earlier thinking he would be trying to go for €120-150 but if he is happy to spend €200-250 a 4780/480/1060 6GB might be the better option in my opinion, and gets rid of the burden of upgrading in future. The screen resolution does also factor in, though I imagine if he would rather he can scale down to 1080 or whatnot.

    Still, do agree it's best to give options since it's the OPs money and the OPs budget so best to keep within what he may or may not want to spend.


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