Ulster Bank League 2017-2018 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

Tarf1234 · 08-01-2018 12:20pm

Dowling was good but didn't stand out hugely by comparison to others. Kelleher didn't do much of particular note either way - lineout was good bar one wayward throw and scrum was good barring when Boland came on - which in fairness you can't blame him on. Looks huge now, seriously good player. Hughie was OK (no-one for us looked anything better than OK), was sold a couple of massive dummies from Bennie for his try.

MDunne14 · 08-01-2018 12:37pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Noticed Peter Robb played for Belvo at the weekend, interesting how when some players move province they change clubs while others don't, Jack Power at Tarf is another like that

Adam Leavy At lansdowne too , connacht should push there players towards Connacht clubs it’s important for growing the game.. clubs like buccaneers Galwegians Corinthians all could do with the players , only one club above 2a next year and they’ll be in 1b .. doesn’t look good

stellenbosch · 08-01-2018 12:54pm

MDunne14 wrote: »

Adam Leavy At lansdowne too , connacht should push there players towards Connacht clubs it’s important for growing the game.. clubs like buccaneers Galwegians Corinthians all could do with the players , only one club above 2a next year and they’ll be in 1b .. doesn’t look good

Complete opposite in Ulster-Greg Jones and Eric O'Sullivan both made leave UCD and Trinity respectively to play for Banbridge. Neither wanted to play for Banbridge.

The Lost Sheep · 08-01-2018 2:05pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Noticed Peter Robb played for Belvo at the weekend, interesting how when some players move province they change clubs while others don't, Jack Power at Tarf is another like that

Connacht have so few senior clubs it makes sense.

MDunne14 wrote: »

Adam Leavy At lansdowne too, connacht should push there players towards Connacht clubs it’s important for growing the game.. clubs like buccaneers Galwegians Corinthians all could do with the players, only one club above 2a next year and they’ll be in 1b .. doesn’t look good

They do push them in general but with just 4 senior clubs it makes sense to have some with other clubs.

stellenbosch wrote: »

Complete opposite in Ulster-Greg Jones and Eric O'Sullivan both made leave UCD and Trinity respectively to play for Banbridge. Neither wanted to play for Banbridge.

Well Ulster have enough senior clubs to spread players around. Connacht dont

ArmchairQB · 08-01-2018 3:07pm

Buccs have a huge amount of academy or pro players from Connacht on their books that is half their problem to many academy guys on any one team makes you far to dependent on them and you suffer when they are not there or only rock up on a thursday once or twice a month not good for building a team culture. Tarf, Con and Lansdowne have all seemed to move away from taking to many academy players compared to years gone by far stronger & cohesive sennior team with only a few academy guys who you are not dependent on

The Lost Sheep · 08-01-2018 3:28pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Buccs have a huge amount of academy or pro players from Connacht on their books that is half their problem to many academy guys on any one team makes you far to dependent on them and you suffer when they are not there or only rock up on a thursday once or twice a month not good for building a team culture. Tarf, Con and Lansdowne have all seemed to move away from taking to many academy players compared to years gone by far stronger & cohesive sennior team with only a few academy guys who you are not dependent on

But the Leinster clubs can do so as there is enough clubs to spread players round and they will also have greater depth than the Connacht clubs.

ArmchairQB · 08-01-2018 4:28pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

But the Leinster clubs can do so as there is enough clubs to spread players round and they will also have greater depth than the Connacht clubs.

Yeah very true

LFCTID · 10-01-2018 3:01pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Buccs have a huge amount of academy or pro players from Connacht on their books that is half their problem to many academy guys on any one team makes you far to dependent on them and you suffer when they are not there or only rock up on a thursday once or twice a month not good for building a team culture. Tarf, Con and Lansdowne have all seemed to move away from taking to many academy players compared to years gone by far stronger & cohesive sennior team with only a few academy guys who you are not dependent on

Have to agree with you there in particular this season and last season. Now we still have academy players with us playing such as Ronan kelliher, Oisin dowling, Adam leavy, Charlie rock and even some senior players like peter Dooley lined out with us at some stage this season.. but I don't think we're as reliant on them now as we used to be. Last year we had max deegan for first half of the season but haven't seen him back in a lansdowne jersey since but still not weak in the backrow without him or any other talented provincial players alike. Compare this to previous season like when we last won in 2015 or so we were heavily reliant on various academy players back then in leinster and would have found it hard to pick a team when it clashed with a b&i fixture then when we would lose the likes of cian kelliher, ian Fitzpatrick, Tom Farrell and Tom Daly etc....

Tarf1234 · 10-01-2018 5:17pm

LFCTID wrote: »

Have to agree with you there in particular this season and last season. Now we still have academy players with us playing such as Ronan kelliher, Oisin dowling, Adam leavy, Charlie rock and even some senior players like peter Dooley lined out with us at some stage this season.. but I don't think we're as reliant on them now as we used to be. Last year we had max deegan for first half of the season but haven't seen him back in a lansdowne jersey since but still not weak in the backrow without him or any other talented provincial players alike. Compare this to previous season like when we last won in 2015 or so we were heavily reliant on various academy players back then in leinster and would have found it hard to pick a team when it clashed with a b&i fixture then when we would lose the likes of cian kelliher, ian Fitzpatrick, Tom Farrell and Tom Daly etc....

It's a funny one, I genuinely think for the big senior clubs having loads of academy/senior players who get dropped back is a hindrance at times - just look at UCD and the random teams and results they have at times. Consistency is key and in Leinster their is no guarantee of anyone being released bar first year academy players not involved in 7s and with no real injury history.

LFCTID · 11-01-2018 12:16am

Tarf1234 wrote: »

It's a funny one, I genuinely think for the big senior clubs having loads of academy/senior players who get dropped back is a hindrance at times - just look at UCD and the random teams and results they have at times. Consistency is key and in Leinster their is no guarantee of anyone being released bar first year academy players not involved in 7s and with no real injury history.

Yeah interesting one indeed as i already stated above lansdowne are currently in a position where they probably dont need academies as such or reliant on them anyways some other dublin clubs arent too far behind to being in that position soon i feel. But head south down to munster based clubs and some are heavily reliant on them. Young munsters your perfect example when they complained about not having access to academies on the same weekend they had to go to dublin to play tarf in the semi's last year of the AIL....

ym · 11-01-2018 1:06pm

Fantastic result friday night good crowd, delighted for the players last two performances have been excellent, to be fair the ones before that v tarf,garryowen and nure away all which were lost were not bad either.

Jack lyons and alan kennedy were magnificent. Pack in general were really really good. Had a break with munster taking sherry and johnston while we had coombes and tynan , with wycherley on bench.

Started well went 6 nil up had period of dominance at end of first half which resulted in gavin ryan try. Just rewards for first half dominance. “nd half garryowen played much better but we had a 15 min spell in 2nd half where we got 2 tries via the pack. 15 mins left we had 3 tries garryowen responded after and denied us shot at bonus by holding on to the football

Had bit of luck with munster taking sherry and johnston, and having coombes and sean oconnor on bench, we had coombes tynan, with wycherley on bench.

Its a great win , cements us mid table ,probably need another 2 wins to get safety, 8 points off 4th spot probably too far behind with 7 games to go. But Clontarf away is next ,if we were to win that we be 5 behind and in with a shout. But its the hardest away game in the league along with lansdowne. Still great to beat the auld enemy absoutely raucous rendition of beautiful musnters afterward. Good crowd there , decent crowd stayed in bar

Tries from game are here
http://sportinglimerick.com/watch-three-tries-young-munster-claim-crucial-ail-victory-garryowen/

highlight of shannon on shannon twitter feed l -went to that one saturday, assuming we do stay it it be great to have them back up, one less away trip, a game in thomond park plus a big friday night gate

out of interest lad can ye let us know what size crowds were at the games

ym · 11-01-2018 1:09pm

LFCTID wrote: »

Yeah interesting one indeed as i already stated above lansdowne are currently in a position where they probably dont need academies as such or reliant on them anyways some other dublin clubs arent too far behind to being in that position soon i feel. But head south down to munster based clubs and some are heavily reliant on them. Young munsters your perfect example when they complained about not having access to academies on the same weekend they had to go to dublin to play tarf in the semi's last year of the AIL....

we need them as we dont have the player pool that the dublin clubs have, also economically dublin is more attractive so dublin clubs can attract players a bit easier. in fairness munster nearly always release them if not playing

ym · 11-01-2018 1:14pm

LFCTID wrote: »

Yeah interesting one indeed as i already stated above lansdowne are currently in a position where they probably dont need academies as such or reliant on them anyways some other dublin clubs arent too far behind to being in that position soon i feel. But head south down to munster based clubs and some are heavily reliant on them. Young munsters your perfect example when they complained about not having access to academies on the same weekend they had to go to dublin to play tarf in the semi's last year of the AIL....

plus clontarf had their contracted players available, we didnt and they were all players that played with us during the season, IRFU should have moved it, hopefully this disgraceful clash never happens again and club game given respect it deserves

stellenbosch · 11-01-2018 1:42pm

ym wrote: »

we need them as we dont have the player pool that the dublin clubs have, also economically dublin is more attractive so dublin clubs can attract players a bit easier. in fairness munster nearly always release them if not playing

Whats happened Tom Ryan from Trinity-doesnt seem to be featuring for YM at all?

D14Rugby · 11-01-2018 1:52pm

LFCTID wrote: »

some other dublin clubs arent too far behind to being in that position soon i feel.

Id say Clontarf, Terenure and Trinity are all there already, if not even less reliant on them than Lansdowne

irishfan9 · 11-01-2018 2:08pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

Id say Clontarf, Terenure and Trinity are all there already, if not even less reliant on them than Lansdowne

Trinity are fairly reliant on their u20's.. although they look like they'll only lose 2 players, maybe 3.

Mc Love · 11-01-2018 2:10pm

Would be good to have Shannon back in 1A - miss the derbies with the cookies

stellenbosch · 11-01-2018 3:12pm

irishfan9 wrote: »

Trinity are fairly reliant on their u20's.. although they look like they'll only lose 2 players, maybe 3.

They will lose Syvestre/Dunne and Byrne id say to the Irish 20s and Max Kearney although he hasnt been part of the UBL squad year to date. R Dunne wont be with the Irish 20s and Dan Sheehan is currently out injured so doubt hell feature with Irish 20s-hopefully back for Trinity soon as Paddy Finlay broke his nose last Saturday v Marys

irishfan9 · 11-01-2018 3:40pm

Max Kearney making Ireland u20's and Richard Dunne failing to is interesting...

D14Rugby · 11-01-2018 5:13pm

irishfan9 wrote: »

Trinity are fairly reliant on their u20's.. although they look like they'll only lose 2 players, maybe 3.

Yeah but not on academy players who would be unavailable a lot more often than 20s players

LFCTID · 11-01-2018 5:26pm

ym wrote: »

we need them as we dont have the player pool that the dublin clubs have, also economically dublin is more attractive so dublin clubs can attract players a bit easier. in fairness munster nearly always release them if not playing

Yeah well that's true to be fair.. but at the same point yes it's bad for the game when a fixture like that will clash with a b&i play off game but at the same time I think Irfu did a big **** up when they said we would agree to re arrange the fixture of tarf agreed to it but sure they were never gonna agree can't blame them otherwise why would they? They were at full strength that day. I'm a lansdowne man myself and it would be my local club but did abit of work with cookies senior panel last year the odd time and u could tell nobody in the squad was happy about it.

D14Rugby · 11-01-2018 6:16pm

Is conor finn playing anywhere does anyone know? Not seen him on any team sheets for Terenure for a while

The Lost Sheep · 11-01-2018 9:37pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

It's a funny one, I genuinely think for the big senior clubs having loads of academy/senior players who get dropped back is a hindrance at times - just look at UCD and the random teams and results they have at times. Consistency is key and in Leinster their is no guarantee of anyone being released bar first year academy players not involved in 7s and with no real injury history.

It can be. UCD even more so as theyre a university and university sides are traditionally inconsistent and thats another reason why i dont see UCD ever winning the league.

LFCTID wrote: »

Yeah interesting one indeed as i already stated above lansdowne are currently in a position where they probably dont need academies as such or reliant on them anyways some other dublin clubs arent too far behind to being in that position soon i feel. But head south down to munster based clubs and some are heavily reliant on them. Young munsters your perfect example when they complained about not having access to academies on the same weekend they had to go to dublin to play tarf in the semi's last year of the AIL....

Yeah Lansdowne dont field the most sides in the province/country with Tarf, Marys fielding more sides but they have a depth that mightnt be in some clubs.
Munster clubs well North Munster for definite only field to J2 level so depth isnt there in some ways. And if a clubs 2nds are weak then its a major issue.

ym wrote: »

plus clontarf had their contracted players available, we didnt and they were all players that played with us during the season, IRFU should have moved it, hopefully this disgraceful clash never happens again and club game given respect it deserves

Can we please move on from that. It happened. No need to mention it every time the discussion around contracted players and release to clubs occurs here.

LFCTID · 11-01-2018 10:06pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It can be. UCD even more so as theyre a university and university sides are traditionally inconsistent and thats another reason why i dont see UCD ever winning the league.

Yeah Lansdowne dont field the most sides in the province/country with Tarf, Marys fielding more sides but they have a depth that mightnt be in some clubs.
Munster clubs well North Munster for definite only field to J2 level so depth isnt there in some ways. And if a clubs 2nds are weak then its a major issue.

Can we please move on from that. It happened. No need to mention it every time the discussion around contracted players and release to clubs occurs here.

Do u support tarf as your club? Lol seem pissed off response haha ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚

The Lost Sheep · 11-01-2018 10:08pm

LFCTID wrote: »

Do u support tarf as your club? Lol seem pissed off response haha &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;

No... Support a division 2 club and have a good few connections to several others having played at age grade or u20s with 2 other clubs.

LFCTID · 11-01-2018 10:47pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No... Support a division 2 club and have a good few connections to several others having played at age grade or u20s with 2 other clubs.

Ah right I see. Was just asking based on ur last response thought u might have been a tarf man ha

Malmedicine · 11-01-2018 11:19pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No... Support a division 2 club and have a good few connections to several others having played at age grade or u20s with 2 other clubs.

Corinthians ?

D14Rugby · 12-01-2018 3:53pm

Trinity played Durham University the other day. team was:
1.Darragh Higgins 2.Joe Horan 3.Dylan Doyle 4. Brian Egan 5.Alex macDonald 6.Sam Pim 7.Richard Dunne 8.Niall O'Riordan
9.Angus Llyod 10.Jack Mcdermott
11.Cinton Wohoka 12.Kyle Dixon 13.Michael Courtney(c) 14.Evan Dixon 15.Rob Russell
Subs: Shane Byrne, Reuben Pim, Kev O'Connor, Toby Boyd, Connor Young, James Moriarty

Winters · 12-01-2018 3:55pm

Malahide RFC have just announced the signing of Danie Poolman

Bazzo · 12-01-2018 3:59pm

Winters wrote: »

Malahide RFC have just announced the signing of Danie Poolman

Good for Danie, he'll be a great addition to Malahide. Always nice to see overseas players putting down roots like he has.

The Lost Sheep · 12-01-2018 4:00pm

Malmedicine wrote: »

Corinthians?

Nope.

Bateman Cup semis this weekend and some games which had been postponed before christmas.
In 2B Belfast Harlequins play Wanderers and Rainey play Sundays Well and in 2C Thomond play Bruff tonight

Tarf1234 · 12-01-2018 4:10pm

Winters wrote: »

Malahide RFC have just announced the signing of Danie Poolman

Heard about this last week, it's gas. IRFU really showed them!!

The Lost Sheep · 12-01-2018 4:13pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Heard about this last week, it's gas. IRFU really showed them!!

Mad. Its hard to stop but what can be done?

In other news irish universities have a training camp tomorrow in Maynooth. They play Scottish Students in Edinburgh March 11th. 27 players from 11 colleges involved

MDunne14 · 12-01-2018 4:15pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Mad. Its hard to stop but what can be done?

In other news irish universities have a training camp tomorrow in Maynooth. They play Scottish Students in Edinburgh March 11th. 27 players from 11 colleges involved

Any names of players involved ?

Bazzo · 12-01-2018 4:15pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Heard about this last week, it's gas. IRFU really showed them!!

Are they paying him? He was coaching at Buccs wasn't he? So probably not hard for them to just say he'll be coaching in some capacity there too I suppose.

The Lost Sheep · 12-01-2018 4:16pm

MDunne14 wrote: »

Any names of players involved?

Nothing yet.

MDunne14 · 12-01-2018 4:17pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Are they paying him? He was coaching at Buccs wasn't he? So probably not hard for them to just say he'll be coaching in some capacity there too I suppose.

He was playing for Buccs too! But seeing as malahide are paying half of dubkin at this stage to play for them it doesn’t come as a surprise that he joined

Bazzo · 12-01-2018 4:21pm

MDunne14 wrote: »

He was playing for Buccs too! But seeing as malahide are paying half of dubkin at this stage to play for them it doesn’t come as a surprise that he joined

He was coaching at Buccs before Connacht released him though, under Wilkinson.

MDunne14 · 12-01-2018 4:23pm

Bazzo wrote: »

He was coaching at Buccs before Connacht released him though, under Wilkinson.

He played for buccaneers against lansdowne this season in the first game of the season

Bazzo · 12-01-2018 4:26pm

MDunne14 wrote: »

He played for buccaneers against lansdowne this season in the first game of the season

Yeah I get that, but I'm saying be started coaching (and playing) there while still on the books at Connacht.

Stainalert · 12-01-2018 5:16pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Winters wrote: »

Malahide RFC have just announced the signing of Danie Poolman

Heard about this last week, it's gas. IRFU really showed them!!

He lives in Dalkey!

Tarf1234 · 12-01-2018 5:20pm

It'd be nice if the IRFU just copped on and got rid of the rule they clearly can't enforce... It's embarrassing at this stage

The Lost Sheep · 12-01-2018 5:56pm

Tarf1234 wrote: »

It'd be nice if the IRFU just copped on and got rid of the rule they clearly can't enforce... It's embarrassing at this stage

I dont know. I know why they want the rule in place and seeing Blackrocks struggles its a good reason to sanction clubs who spend OTT but what exactly is fair and how do you sanction clubs who spend above their means?
If you allow clubs spend what they can then that just helps some of the very big clubs/smaller clubs with big backer and is that what we need???

Tarf1234 · 12-01-2018 6:05pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I dont know. I know why they want the rule in place and seeing Blackrocks struggles its a good reason to sanction clubs who spend OTT but what exactly is fair and how do you sanction clubs who spend above their means?
If you allow clubs spend what they can then that just helps some of the very big clubs/smaller clubs with big backer and is that what we need???

Bring in some financial guides that clubs have to live by in terms of gearing level. That way at least the club should not go bankrupt. Taking on debt is the big risk to clubs not members/friends paying players.

Penalties for ignoring the guidelines should be heavy in terms of point deductions, loss of tickets or relegation.

D14Rugby · 13-01-2018 6:13pm

Terenure 32-5 MU Barnhall in the Leinster Senior Cup

The Lost Sheep · 13-01-2018 6:21pm

Lansdowne and Con won Bateman semis
Sligo 15 Lansdowne 34
Armagh 13 Con 20

c.p.w.g.w · 13-01-2018 6:26pm

Just a quick question guys...

For the 1A & 1B league games, what are the typical attendances like these days?

The Lost Sheep · 13-01-2018 6:31pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Just a quick question guys...

For the 1A & 1B league games, what are the typical attendances like these days?

Varies considerably club to club and who is the away team. But then again i haven't regularly seen division 1 games this season

.ak · 13-01-2018 6:34pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Just a quick question guys...

For the 1A & 1B league games, what are the typical attendances like these days?

Some games in particular attract a big crowd, and when they're on it's important. It would be uncommon to find it hard to find a decent spot to watch the games in Castle Avenue when Clontarf are hosting one of the top 4 sides if its played on Friday night under lights, but I've also played matches on the opposite pitch when the 1sts are playing and there's been barely a small gang at them. It's timing, and competitiveness really. Friday night lights is brilliant tho, cuz its usually a good excuse to fill the bar afterward...

c.p.w.g.w · 13-01-2018 6:37pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Varies considerably club to club and who is the away team. But then again i haven't regularly seen division 1 games this season

Would there be many woth crowds of over 1,000?

I used to regularly go to Shannon games a few years back, when they played in thomond park, and regularly a few thousand at the games. Was at a game in Coonagh about 3 years ago, lucky if there was 500 at it...

Just wondering what the picture in like around the coutry?

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