Benefits for men that start dressing well . . .

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Everyone is talking about the importance of mental health these days. I've found dressing better has improved my mental well being no end, so much so, I feel compelled to pass it on . . .In a rut ? No matter what your size or shape you can benefit immensely from dressing well.

I found this article and thought some people might find it useful . . .

16 studies prove the benefits for men who dress well . . .
https://www.mantelligence.com/proven-reasons-you-need-to-dress-well/

1. Being Well Dressed Positively Influences How You Think Of Yourself (2 Studies)

The clothes you wear can even change the way you think about yourself…

…and if you wear nicer clothes, you’ll feel more authoritative, powerful, trustworthy and competent.

2. Being Well Dressed Makes You Seem Smarter (1 Study)

In 1991, the Clothing and Textiles Research Journal conducted a study titled Influence of Dress on Perception of Intelligence and Expectations of Scholastic Achievement.

The study included over 900 students and teachers in Ohio and found that both students and teacher assumed that students wearing dressier, nicer clothes had both:

A higher IQ
Higher grades

3. Being Well Dressed Makes You More Likely To Get A Job And More Likely To Get Promoted (2 Studies)

They surveyed 227 participants, asking them whether applicants of low, medium or high attractiveness, who were dressed either appropriately or inappropriately, should be hired for a position.

And the results were just what you’d expect:

Both physical attractiveness and being more appropriately dressed positively influenced the hiring decision. source So… just by being well dressed you can increase your chances of getting a job.

And get this:

In a CareerBuilder survey of almost 3,000 employers, 41% of employers said that they are more likely to give promotions to individuals who wear professional attire.

4. Being Well Dressed Helps You Make A Better First Impression (1 Study)

An experimenter would approach individuals and ask them if they were willing to help them with an advertising survey. The experimenter wore two different outfits (one smartly dressed and one untidily dressed) and tracked the number of individuals who agreed or refused based on each outfit.

What they found was incredible:

Older men agreed 23% more to a well-dressed man.
Older women agreed 73% more to a well-dressed man.
Younger women agreed 98% more to a well-dressed man. source
What’s the bottom line?

Dressing well will help you make a considerably better first impression.

5. Being Well Dressed Makes You More Sexually Attractive (1 Study)

The Journal of Psychology conducted a study where female participants viewed images of attractive male models in three different socioeconomic-status outfits (low, medium and high). The participants were then asked to rate each of the model’s attractiveness.

Now:

What the researchers found was that the high socioeconomic status outfit “significantly affected women’s ratings of attractiveness.”

And it gets better:

They also found that outfit status had a strong effect on a woman’s willingness to enter into a wide range of relationship types (from marriage to casual sex)

6. You Can Improve Your Physical Attractiveness By Improving Your “Clothing Attractiveness” (2 Studies)

Opinion Research Corporation together with Men’s Health surveyed more than 1,000 women in an attempt to, “identify, quantify, and rank the traits that make a man “hot” to women.”

…And guess what they ranked as the most important physical attribute of a man?

His sense of style.

It ranked higher than a handsome face, muscular build, his height, and even his fitness!

7. If You’re Physically Attractive, Your Life Will Be Easier (7 Studies)

The studies show that by dressing well, you gain a positive effect incredibly similar to what you gain by actually being physically attractive

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250+ views and no comments, complaints or otherwise . . .don't know what make of that

Sam Kade

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250+ views and no comments, complaints or otherwise . . .don't know what make of that

We need pictures to see if what you say is true

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Sam Kade wrote: »

We need pictures to see if what you say is true

I had hoped it would be helpful / motivational for other people and maybe kickstart / encourage a few more menswear threads and a bit of interest in it on the forum.

Tell me how

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I had hoped it would be helpful / motivational for other people and maybe kickstart / encourage a few more menswear threads and a bit of interest in it on the forum.

You might have gotten more interest if the link you posted wasn't a paid for article akin to clickbait.

Only thing missing is instruction on how to improve your PUA game.

meeeeh

I'm not a man but article posted is fairly poor. While I am sure there are some proper studies in there, I am not sure lumping them together with 'research' done by Men's Health makes it very credible.

freshpopcorn

I don't know if I dress well but I the way I dress I fell comfortable in public.
If you asked anybody in fashion was I dressed well? They'd probably say no but if they dressed be, I'd be really self conscious and uncomfortable.

eviltimeban

I didn't click the link but generally speaking, a man in a well cut suit, polished shoes, and crisp shirt and tie is going to look better, and by extension, feel good about himself and what he's wearing. Walking out the door thinking "I look the business!" is going to get your day off to a good start.

Unfortuately, most men in Ireland haven't a clue how to wear a suit properly. Those that do, stand out on the streets.

holy guacamole

Thought this was going to be a thread about a new initiative from the Social Welfare.

freshpopcorn

eviltimeban wrote: »

I didn't click the link but generally speaking, a man in a well cut suit, polished shoes, and crisp shirt and tie is going to look better, and by extension, feel good about himself and what he's wearing. Walking out the door thinking "I look the business!" is going to get your day off to a good start.

Unfortuately, most men in Ireland haven't a clue how to wear a suit properly. Those that do, stand out on the streets.

Wearing suits make me feel terrible. I generally can't wait for the day to end!

eviltimeban

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Wearing suits make me feel terrible. I generally can't wait for the day to end!

You must be wearing the wrong suits then...

baby and crumble

If there was only ONE thing that everyone- but in particular guys- need to think about when getting dressed it's fit.

Most guys I see around Dublin are wearing the wrong sized clothes. It's not just Dublin, but so many famous guys too. I was watching the BAFTA TV awards last night and I'd say about 75% of guys were wearing tuxedos at least one size too big. And they look so stupid. Like a previous poster said, when someone wearing the right sized tux came on- even if wasn't the best quality or with all the bells and whistles- it looked amazing.

I've learned that the hard way. I used to wear clothes that were too big because I was uncomfortable in my skin. I've started sizing down to what my actual size is and I feel and look far better.

freshpopcorn

eviltimeban wrote: »

You must be wearing the wrong suits then...

I've a nice suit at the moment(It looks nice) and got expensive and well fitting suits but I despise wearing them with a passion.
Wearing suits really made me realise that what you wear does effect how you feel about yourself.
I often have a terrible fear of dying and being buried in a suit.

Tell me how

I agree that dressing well is beneficial. You feel better, look better and do portray a sense of control/organization that does impact on others perception of you to some degree.

Dressing well does not necessarily mean dressing expensively. It being appropriate to the occasion/environment is important.

riffmongous

Dressing well is subjective though, simply wearing a suit no matter how well fitted will make you simply look like a nob in a lot of places

baby and crumble

I had this debate here before. A suit is usually designed to show off the male figure at its "best": strong shoulders, nipped in waist, long legs. However it's not appropriate at all times but if you follow the fitting rules, other outfits that are appropriate for whatever that event is, will do the same thing. And make you look better.

Like, I'd take a guy in a well fitting pair of dark jeans, shoes, shirt and blazer at a work meeting more seriously than someone in a crappy suit that's too big and a tie that doesn't go with the shirt. My reasoning is if he can get dressed in the morning and not notice that he's dressed poorly and in the wrong sized clothes, what else is he not going to notice? Shallow, perhaps, but not unusual I would wager.

There is also an age consideration. A 19 year old in a suit at work will probably look like a bit of a try hard berk, but a 39 year old in the same suit will likely not get a 2nd look. I don't like wearing tee shirts much anymore for that reason- I think I look too young in them, like I'm trying to be 25 instead of 35.

Jogathon

I fully agree with this. I'm a lady, but when I dress in clothes that I like and feel comfortable in, then I am more confident and feel good. It doesn't have to be fancy dresses for me or suits for men either. I feel really great and attractive in jeans and surfy style clothes and that gives me a boost for the day. Anything that gives you a little extra confidence is a good thing!

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One thing that I have struggled with is getting guidance on what clothes suit me best.
I’m single and am even self-conscious asking female friends for advice. I find that most attendants in men’s shops are often of the slim type themselves and are not able to differentiate between what looks well on them and what might look well on someone else.

I am 5’ 11” and have a large chest. I'm not obese but am overweight and solidly built. I am perfectly fine with someone telling me, that something doesn't suit me but abject disinterest from attendants make me feel very self-conscious. I was buying a suit one day and I asked if they had 3 piece versions and the guy said "Oh we don't have any waistcoats that size" and walked away from me. I was mortified and wanted to sink in to the ground. Another time I asked someone straight-out to suggest something that I would look well in. He came back with a slim fit size medium. I was so self-conscious I wouldn't try it on and left in a hurry.

The difference attendants make in this circumstance is huge. Last summer I was on holidays in Belgium. I needed to buy a pair of trousers and tried a number of dept stores. Most large sizes seemed about 32” -34”. Nothing for me there then. I went in to a small shop near my apartment and said in broken French that I wanted to buy trousers for a big guy. The guy working there responded and said “you’re not a big guy, let’s see what we have.” He brought 4 pairs of trousers to try, and then shirts, t-shirts and a jumper, all the time saying things like this works with that and this would look good on you. Even at the end he suggested a belt for style reasons and not just to serve a function. I spent over €400 whereas at home I might have bought a single pair of terribly fitting jeans just to get it done.
There is one guy in a shop I go to locally where he does try to help but his efforts are limited to “let me know if you’re Ok for sizes, I might have some double X in the back”.

I know this is as much a problem for ladies as much as it is for men but for me it’s stupid that shop managers don’t recognize that they would sell more if they were able to help people find the clothes that they look well in as opposed to just attendants that look well in some of the clothes.
I personally would pay more for this service, if I knew where to go for it.

eoinzy2000

baby and crumble wrote: »

I had this debate here before. A suit is usually designed to show off the male figure at its "best": strong shoulders, nipped in waist, long legs. However it's not appropriate at all times but if you follow the fitting rules, other outfits that are appropriate for whatever that event is, will do the same thing. And make you look better.

Like, I'd take a guy in a well fitting pair of dark jeans, shoes, shirt and blazer at a work meeting more seriously than someone in a crappy suit that's too big and a tie that doesn't go with the shirt. My reasoning is if he can get dressed in the morning and not notice that he's dressed poorly and in the wrong sized clothes, what else is he not going to notice? Shallow, perhaps, but not unusual I would wager.

There is also an age consideration. A 19 year old in a suit at work will probably look like a bit of a try hard berk, but a 39 year old in the same suit will likely not get a 2nd look. I don't like wearing tee shirts much anymore for that reason- I think I look too young in them, like I'm trying to be 25 instead of 35.

I would argue, that someone who hasn't spent time wondering if he/she looks ok would have a better chance of not missing something important work-wise. Vanity and BS certainly pushes people up a ladder quickly, but a few of the people that come into work in suits are completely ****e at their jobs but smooze and take credit and impose and bullsh1t and seem to get by. The guys that wear wtf they want and are comfortable, in my work, all are good at their jobs (with the exception of 1) and confident in themselves.
I find a person that has to rely heavily on their looks, vanity/ego for projection of anything, generally is compensating for some other weakness. My view will no doubt divide opinion, but a person that is clean and tidy and comfortable will have a step ahead immediately in my interviews, as opposed to someone sharply dressed with weight on vanity/appearance.
However, if it makes you happy/feel good. Do what the hell you like.

eviltimeban

riffmongous wrote: »

Dressing well is subjective though, simply wearing a suit no matter how well fitted will make you simply look like a nob in a lot of places

Obviously the suit scenario was just an example. But it's important to get it right if you are a suit wearer, and most of the time guys here don't. You see some guys wearing a suit so badly that it's actually doing the opposite of what a suit's supposed to do (project a smart image).

baby and crumble

Tell me how wrote: »

O I went in to a small shop near my apartment...

There's the answer- small places that specialise in menswear will be able to do this far, far better than guys in department stores.

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I would argue, that someone who hasn't spent time wondering if he/she looks ok would have a better chance of not missing something important work-wise.

We have very different opinions then. No harm in that! I'm not saying folks have to spend forever looking at themselves int he morning, but I guess I don't understand how someone could miss the fact they're wearing a jacket that is 3 sizes too big.

I also think that it's about appropriateness. It may be very shallow of me, I freely admit it, but if I rocked up to an accountancy firm, say, and the guy who's meant to be looking after a €3million account is wearing ripped jeans and a hoody, I'd wonder if he understood the seriousness of the task he has. Likewise some dude in an impeccably cut suit but who works as an IT technician gives the impression of being a bit of a knob who doesn't understand HIS role.

I'm quite old fashioned in that I think it's important to dress appropriately for the event you are at- it shows respect. Yes, you can wear whatever you want to a funeral, for example, but it shows a lot more respect to wear a pair of trousers and a shirt than a pair of jeans and a tee shirt. I was at a funeral of a friend a few months ago and the PRIEST turned up in cords and an anorak for the removal in the funeral home, no dog collar or robes. Now, of course he can do that, but all I could think of was how disrespectful it was.

Each to their own of course!

eviltimeban

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I personally would pay more for this service, if I knew where to go for it.

I went to Suitsupply in London a few years ago and spent an hour or so trying on suits, having told the sales guy I was only there for a weekend and wasn't buying that day as I didn't have space in my luggage for a suit, but that I was there to get the sizing right so I could order online. He couldn't have been more helpful, friendly, and made my visit. And I got the sizing right.

I got home and ordered the suit I wanted. Seven Suitsupply suits later, and here I am.

Guys in shops in Dublin are nearly as bad as the guys in Dublin, from the point of view of not being terribly well dressed themselves. If I see a sales guy wearing something that I wouldn't wear, I don't want him to pick things for me! No, I do all my research online / forums / etc and if I'm buying something for formal wear now I tend to buy it online. The trick is to find brands that suit you and just keep buying those brands.

Dr Bob

"Likewise some dude in an impeccably cut suit but who works as an IT technician gives the impression of being a bit of a knob who doesn't understand HIS role. "
OK , I have to ask , why cant an IT Technician wear suits?

Tell me how

eviltimeban wrote: »

I went to Suitsupply in London a few years ago and spent an hour or so trying on suits, having told the sales guy I was only there for a weekend and wasn't buying that day as I didn't have space in my luggage for a suit, but that I was there to get the sizing right so I could order online. He couldn't have been more helpful, friendly, and made my visit. And I got the sizing right.

I got home and ordered the suit I wanted. Seven Suitsupply suits later, and here I am.

Guys in shops in Dublin are nearly as bad as the guys in Dublin, from the point of view of not being terribly well dressed themselves. If I see a sales guy wearing something that I wouldn't wear, I don't want him to pick things for me! No, I do all my research online / forums / etc and if I'm buying something for formal wear now I tend to buy it online. The trick is to find brands that suit you and just keep buying those brands.

I recently bought a shirt online from https://www.itailor.com/.

I have no idea of the quality but the price was reasonable and there were plenty options with respect to style and sizing.

Delivery is 5-6 weeks (which is a lot) but it was very reasonably priced and if I am happy with it then I suspect that I will go this route for a number of items.

eoinzy2000

baby and crumble wrote: »

Tell me how wrote: »

O I went in to a small shop near my apartment...

There's the answer- small places that specialise in menswear will be able to do this far, far better than guys in department stores.

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I would argue, that someone who hasn't spent time wondering if he/she looks ok would have a better chance of not missing something important work-wise.

We have very different opinions then. No harm in that! I'm not saying folks have to spend forever looking at themselves int he morning, but I guess I don't understand how someone could miss the fact they're wearing a jacket that is 3 sizes too big.

I also think that it's about appropriateness. It may be very shallow of me, I freely admit it, but if I rocked up to an accountancy firm, say, and the guy who's meant to be looking after a €3million account is wearing ripped jeans and a hoody, I'd wonder if he understood the seriousness of the task he has. Likewise some dude in an impeccably cut suit but who works as an IT technician gives the impression of being a bit of a knob who doesn't understand HIS role.  

I'm quite old fashioned in that I think it's important to dress appropriately for the event you are at- it shows respect. Yes, you can wear whatever you want to a funeral, for example, but it shows a lot more respect to wear a pair of trousers and a shirt than a pair of jeans and a tee shirt. I was at a funeral of a friend a few months ago and the PRIEST turned up in cords and an anorak for the removal in the funeral home, no dog collar or robes. Now, of course he can do that, but all I could think of was how disrespectful it was.

Each to their own of course!

ah yeah. I don't mean ripped jeans and hoodie of course. but smart jeans and jumper/shirt is tidy and fine. I don't buy into the bolloxology of dress codes & not being allowed to play a game of golf because you're wearing jeans instead of slacks, or no collar etc.. 
Or having to be clean shaven every single morning.... grrrr. First thing I think is 'get over yourself'.
I understand that is the way some people like it, but I do find it shallow. It is following a norm.
Guy Richie did go on recently about how empowering a fine suit is in a podcast with Joe Rogan and that you have to be in 'ownership' of all that you do etc. etc. and own that look, own that suit.   Everything about it all is pure unadulterated ego. And in my opinion, ego is the dirtiest of dirty. To look down on someone because they aren't impeccably dressed to your liking is shallow. I don't mean to be offensive in any way shape or form, and I see that you state that 'it may be shallow', but it is. If you feel a need to cast judgement based on your own self-admitted fault, then I think it says a lot more about you than the person you are judging.  (Eeeeeeeeek, I cant help but sound offensive!!)

eviltimeban

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

ah yeah. I don't mean ripped jeans and hoodie of course. but smart jeans and jumper/shirt is tidy and fine. I don't buy into the bolloxology of dress codes & not being allowed to play a game of golf because you're wearing jeans instead of slacks, or no collar etc.. 
Or having to be clean shaven every single morning.... grrrr. First thing I think is 'get over yourself'.
I understand that is the way some people like it, but I do find it shallow. It is following a norm.
Guy Richie did go on recently about how empowering a fine suit is in a podcast with Joe Rogan and that you have to be in 'ownership' of all that you do etc. etc. and own that look, own that suit.   Everything about it all is pure unadulterated ego. And in my opinion, ego is the dirtiest of dirty. To look down on someone because they aren't impeccably dressed to your liking is shallow. I don't mean to be offensive in any way shape or form, and I see that you state that 'it may be shallow', but it is. If you feel a need to cast judgement based on your own self-admitted fault, then I think it says a lot more about you than the person you are judging.  (Eeeeeeeeek, I cant help but sound offensive!!)

Not sure what's bad about the part in bold? Saying you have to own the look. Well, you do. In my own experience, the difference between wearing a suit "because I had to" and embracing the suit and making it something special was vast. Now I LOVE to wear suits, and find it a great way to express myself, or my "individuality" (without sounding like a knob). I don't mean I'm dressing up like Conor McGregor (and I shudder at the thought that his "look" might inspire Irish men to dress the same), I just mean if I'm wearing a suit, well then gosh darn it I'm going to look as good as I possibly can.

And I actually find I turn heads on the street. Like, every day. And I'm not a preening peacock in a three piece suit with a tie pin and a pocket watch and a cane. I'm just wearing a really good fitting, good looking suit, with well matched accessories and well polished shoes. The fact that this alone is enough to make me stand out shows what a sad state of affairs the whole situation is. I'd be invisible in Milan or Paris.

Ego? Probably, though I don't particularly get a kick out of people looking at me on the street. Me being enthusiastic about it, like a hobby? For sure.

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Tell me how wrote: »

You might have gotten more interest if the link you posted wasn't a paid for article akin to clickbait.

Only thing missing is instruction on how to improve your PUA game.

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm not a man but article posted is fairly poor. While I am sure there are some proper studies in there, I am not sure lumping them together with 'research' done by Men's Health makes it very credible.

I didn't post it for my benefit. It was just a handy summary article as the stuff's in one place. Based on what I've seen the actual points are fine, and so is Men's Health. If anyone has better quality articles on the effects of dressing well, buy all means post them.

freshpopcorn

eviltimeban wrote: »

Not sure what's bad about the part in bold? Saying you have to own the look. Well, you do. In my own experience, the difference between wearing a suit "because I had to" and embracing the suit and making it something special was vast. Now I LOVE to wear suits, and find it a great way to express myself, or my "individuality" (without sounding like a knob). I don't mean I'm dressing up like Conor McGregor (and I shudder at the thought that his "look" might inspire Irish men to dress the same), I just mean if I'm wearing a suit, well then gosh darn it I'm going to look as good as I possibly can.

And I actually find I turn heads on the street. Like, every day. And I'm not a preening peacock in a three piece suit with a tie pin and a pocket watch and a cane. I'm just wearing a really good fitting, good looking suit, with well matched accessories and well polished shoes. The fact that this alone is enough to make me stand out shows what a sad state of affairs the whole situation is. I'd be invisible in Milan or Paris.

Ego? Probably, though I don't particularly get a kick out of people looking at me on the street. Me being enthusiastic about it, like a hobby? For sure.

People mightn't be looking at you for the right reasons!

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A lot of people here seem to be getting confused and think that when someone says dressing well they mean you must always wear a suit.
An ill fitting / chosen suit can look really bad.

It entirely depends on the situation and location. If you wore a suit to play football or in a workplace where no one wore suits, you certainly wouldn't be dressing well. Overdressing can sometimes be as bad as under dressing. Use your discretion. Likewise if you wore a grubby tracksuit in a big 4 accountancy firm, or to a wedding where most people wore a suit, you wouldn't be dressing well. To me dressing well means slightly above the average of what people in that situation would wear. And it's little or nothing to do with brands or how much you pay. In fact overtly displaying big brand name logos actually shows you don't know much about style. Some of the designer brand stuff is actually crap. A brand should never be bought because of name, but because that particular garment fits you really well, and is made well and in quality material. It's about fit (very important) and knowing classic styles and combining them effectively, so that most times, only people who know classic style would realise how well you were actually dressed, the rest would think you just look fairly smart / presentable for the situation.

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One thing that I have struggled with is getting guidance on what clothes suit me best.
I’m single and am even self-conscious asking female friends for advice. I find that most attendants in men’s shops are often of the slim type themselves and are not able to differentiate between what looks well on them and what might look well on someone else.

I am 5’ 11” and have a large chest. I'm not obese but am overweight and solidly built.

It doesn't matter how big or heavy someone is, they will always look 10 times better when dressed well. One of the biggest myths is that you must be a certain size to dress well. In reality, people come in all sort of shapes and sizes. A big man can look brilliant in a suit or many other outfits if it's chosen right. Anyone, regardless of their size, will look poor in something chosen wrong or ill fitting.

If you wan't attendant advice (essential for anything like a suit), forget about large chains. (which I've nothing against by the way). Go to a local established menswear place that might cost slightly more, but will give you a hundred times better service. A good menswear assistant has measured and fitted thousands of men in all shapes and sizes and knows straight away what to get and where to get it, what works and what doesn't. You might have to try a few places to get the service you like, but when you do, you'll realise it was worth it. Believe it or not, one of the biggest mistakes large men make is buying something too big, a good menswear assistance will get the best fit he can with off the peg stuff.

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eviltimeban wrote: »

Ego? Probably, though I don't particularly get a kick out of people looking at me on the street. Me being enthusiastic about it, like a hobby? For sure.

Contrary to the popular belief of some of the badly dressed, people who dress well don't do it to impress other people, they do it because they enjoy the satisfaction and self achievement of putting something together that fits and works really well, and knowing the details of what they are wearing, the materials and how they are put together, and how it fits in with classic styles. It's far more about impressing yourself than others.

the_syco

I like wearing black. I have 10 black short-sleeved shirts, which I wear in work, and wear various heavy metal t-shirts out and about.

baby and crumble

Dr Bob wrote: »

"Likewise some dude in an impeccably cut suit but who works as an IT technician gives the impression of being a bit of a knob who doesn't understand HIS role. "
OK , I have to ask , why cant an IT Technician wear suits?

I just meant my understanding of it techs are that they often need to trace wiring, etc. If that's the case then a suit is highly impractical.

368100

Tell me how wrote: »

I recently bought a shirt online from https://www.itailor.com/.

I have no idea of the quality but the price was reasonable and there were plenty options with respect to style and sizing.

Delivery is 5-6 weeks (which is a lot) but it was very reasonably priced and if I am happy with it then I suspect that I will go this route for a number of items.

I ordered from itailor before....a few years ago....the fit was grand, I just found the fabric cheap and a funny version of colours like solid red, solid blue.....not really fashionable colours. Maybe they've changed.

I order from Charles tyrwhitt in London. .....really good fits and they do deals like 4 shirts for £140. Very good selection of shirts and can get double cuff shirts which from what I see is rare in most normal shops.

eviltimeban

368100 wrote: »

I ordered from itailor before....a few years ago....the fit was grand, I just found the fabric cheap and a funny version of colours like solid red, solid blue.....not really fashionable colours. Maybe they've changed.

I order from Charles tyrwhitt in London. .....really good fits and they do deals like 4 shirts for £140. Very good selection of shirts and can get double cuff shirts which from what I see is rare in most normal shops.

TM Lewin have plenty. TM Lewin is where I get my work shirts, though I'd prefer if there was more variety in the collar styles and the "slim fit" isn't really slim fit at all. But price wise they are spot on for the quality of the shirt. It's like what Pink used to be 15 years ago or so, before they became crazy expensive and not as good quality.

Good thing about TM Lewin is that you can order online and have it delivered to the store for free, and you just go pick it up. I've gotten great deals that way - the last shirt I got in the sale cost €17!

baby and crumble

I've recently started ordering from shirtbyhand. I find the quality great, some of the finishing on the buttonholes isn't perfect but otherwise it's great. The fitting took less that 30 minutes at my house and now I can just order what I want online and it's with me in like, 3 weeks fitting exactly how I want. Not bad for €69!

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baby and crumble wrote: »

I've recently started ordering from shirtbyhand. I find the quality great, some of the finishing on the buttonholes isn't perfect but otherwise it's great. The fitting took less that 30 minutes at my house and now I can just order what I want online and it's with me in like, 3 weeks fitting exactly how I want. Not bad for €69!

Do they just go by chest and collar or do they measure everything ?
And do they actually make it to measure in areas other than the collar and chest ?

I find it hard to get any shirt that fits properly off the peg, they are either far too tight, or if I go for a larger collar / chest the rest of shirt around the mid section is extremely baggy. Slim fit shirts are usually too tight on me, but normal fit seem to be box shaped these days in order to fit as many people as possible, which results in all the excess baggy material around the trunk. Can't win

Tell me how

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If you wan't attendant advice (essential for anything like a suit), forget about large chains. (which I've nothing against by the way). Go to a local established menswear place that might cost slightly more, but will give you a hundred times better service. A good menswear assistant has measured and fitted thousands of men in all shapes and sizes and knows straight away what to get and where to get it, what works and what doesn't. You might have to try a few places to get the service you like, but when you do, you'll realise it was worth it. Believe it or not, one of the biggest mistakes large men make is buying something too big, a good menswear assistance will get the best fit he can with off the peg stuff.

The examples I gave were at local established places. I wouldn't expect experienced service in a dept store as for the most part it is part time workers on the floor.

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368100 wrote: »

I ordered from itailor before....a few years ago....the fit was grand, I just found the fabric cheap and a funny version of colours like solid red, solid blue.....not really fashionable colours. Maybe they've changed.

That's what I'm waiting to see, what the quality is like. If I don't like the fabric or quality I won't be buying any more from them irrespective of the price. I kind of expect it to be inferior quality given that they are cheap but will see.

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I order from Charles tyrwhitt in London. .....really good fits and they do deals like 4 shirts for £140. Very good selection of shirts and can get double cuff shirts which from what I see is rare in most normal shops.

Came across these due to recent radio advertising blitz. Didn't find the selection on the website great but didn't spend too long looking and haven't ordered anything yet.

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A lot of people here seem to be getting confused and think that when someone says dressing well they mean you must always wear a suit.
An ill fitting / chosen suit can look really bad.

Definitely agree that the term "well dressed" should not specifically mean a suit is involved. It should simply refer to environment and body shape/personal preference.

It's this part where I would like to be able to get guidance, what style of clothes suit me (not discounting my personal views on this). Sizing should only become a topic when the clothes type have been selected.

Chester Copperpot

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I would argue, that someone who hasn't spent time wondering if he/she looks ok would have a better chance of not missing something important work-wise. Vanity and BS certainly pushes people up a ladder quickly, but a few of the people that come into work in suits are completely ****e at their jobs but smooze and take credit and impose and bullsh1t and seem to get by. The guys that wear wtf they want and are comfortable, in my work, all are good at their jobs (with the exception of 1) and confident in themselves.
I find a person that has to rely heavily on their looks, vanity/ego for projection of anything, generally is compensating for some other weakness. My view will no doubt divide opinion, but a person that is clean and tidy and comfortable will have a step ahead immediately in my interviews, as opposed to someone sharply dressed with weight on vanity/appearance.
However, if it makes you happy/feel good. Do what the hell you like.

I can't work out sizes at all. I could measure my waist and seems to be just under 35 inches. But 32 inch trousers are too big so I wear 30. Something doesn't add up.

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eviltimeban wrote: »

TM Lewin have plenty. TM Lewin is where I get my work shirts, though I'd prefer if there was more variety in the collar styles and the "slim fit" isn't really slim fit at all. But price wise they are spot on for the quality of the shirt. It's like what Pink used to be 15 years ago or so, before they became crazy expensive and not as good quality.

Good thing about TM Lewin is that you can order online and have it delivered to the store for free, and you just go pick it up. I've gotten great deals that way - the last shirt I got in the sale cost €17!

TM lewin and Charles tyrwhitt websites are nearly exactly the same with the same selection of shirts. Both based on Jermyn st London so looks like they're the same company.

I was bored.....Google Street view has both stores beside each other

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The examples I gave were at local established places. I wouldn't expect experienced service in a dept store as for the most part it is part time workers on the floor.

It's like anything else in retail, you might have to try half a dozen places before you find one with an experienced menswear assistant that is into customer service.

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Definitely agree that the term "well dressed" should not specifically mean a suit is involved. It should simply refer to environment and body shape/personal preference.

It's this part where I would like to be able to get guidance, what style of clothes suit me (not discounting my personal views on this). Sizing should only become a topic when the clothes type have been selected.

Fit is of equal top importance, certain clothes might suit you in theory, but if it doesn't fit well, it never will suit you no matter what it is.

What clothes suit you depend on a lot of factors, from age, to size, to hair colour, to formality of the typical environment you're in day to day, where you socialise, do at the weekends etc. No two people are the same or are in the same situations. It's very hard to say without seeing someone and finding out their typical environments. A pale skinny blond guy in his 20's who works in law firm in LA, will need a completely different wardrobe to a big beardy grey haired wedding photographer in his 50's in Galway.

will56

I use Saville Row for shirts for work
They often have sales so the shirts work out as great value

Great selection of styles and colours and they all last really well

baby and crumble

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Do they just go by chest and collar or do they measure everything ?
And do they actually make it to measure in areas other than the collar and chest ?

Yep. You can order them via the site for normal collar size, but I specifically wanted them bespoke because I'm a lady (with a big erm... chest area) that likes to wear mens styles. So when I bought a shirt that fit me in the chest, it massively gaped at the neck so bowties (my preferred choice, yes i am a knob, don't care tbh! ) looked beyond stupid. I gave them a shirt that fit how I liked in the body, but they then took measurements for my neck and sleeves in particular, because they were always too big.

Now, caveat, the last shirt I just received just yesterday looks really wonky on me, but I have lost weight so I think I need my measurements updated. So sometimes it goes wrong.

Also, has anyone signed up to any of the menswear subscription boxes? I'm subscribed to Sprezzabox and I have to say I'm loving it. Good way to try out new accessories and styles you mightn't normally go for.

TrustedApple

Myself in the office I am Sr IT analyst.

So for my job I need to dress well and dress in soemthing that I am able to get down on my knees to start wiring things up, Carrying boxes and be able to be able to go into a meeting with no issues.

So i wear dark super skinny jeans, T shirt or shirt, Blazer or leather jacket or denim jacket, Chelsea boots shade or leather.

I wear my day to day clothes in work in comfy, always get told i dress very funky for someone in IT,

It makes me fell happy that i can wear what i like but to a IT corp envermeent.

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Hi all,

I may be in Dublin over the weekend. Likely looking to pick out smart casual clothes including sports coat for interviews.
Can anyone recommend any place, taking in mind a desire for helpful staff who are interested in having the customer look well.

5' 11" stocky build.

thanks

Merowig

I found the staff at Arnotts and Brown Thomas helpful.

Alf Veedersane

I tried a lot of places and found the fit of certain lines in M&S to be spot on for me.

I had a few for occasional client meetings...maybe 1 a fortnight. The rest of the time in the office it was jeans and polo shirt. It was comfortable and when I was at my computer it didn't matter. I didn't stand out - it was reasonably casual except for those at meetings.

Changed job recently and have a suit for work. I hated the idea of it but I've found it great. I think I look good in a suit and it feels like I hold myself more confidently. I don't know if I do but it feels like I do.

I certainly think I'd ever be spending as long looking at ties as I did last weekend (>5 minutes :pac:)

Merowig

I would claim that dressing nicely can improve ones self esteem.

368100

Merowig wrote: »

I would claim that dressing nicely can improve ones self esteem.

Completely agree. I find myself more motivated and outgoing when I'm dressed well for work