Are Tesco 5 litre (Ashbeck) mineral water bottles really tap water?

regi3457

Former Former wrote: »

You can't transport one bottle for 30 cents.

Can you transport 10,000 bottles for €3,000? Very possibly, especially if you already have the shipping routes, the trucks and the warehouses in place.

When you put it like that it does seem more reasonable but still, I am not convinced that you could move that much cargo for 3000 euro. Would a truck even be able to fit 10000 5litre bottles on it?

CeilingFly

regi3457 wrote: »

Why do you say 30c for shipping where do you get that? How can it cost 30c to transport a 5 litre container of water that weighs 5 kg?

This is getting ridiculous/stupid. They don't send them individually by Fedex.

Say 49 per layer, 5 layers per pallet, 20 pallets per truck. Max €1000 - €1200 per truck movement UK to Ireland (probably lower due to volume)

That equates to 20c per bottle. Add extra transport from Irish warehouse to store. Maximum 30c per bottle, in reality probably 20c-22c in total.

BTW - a 40ft container from China to Dublin is less than €2,500, so if the water was coming from China, the cost would be about 40c per bottle. Bulk shipping is cheap.

rubadub

regi3457 wrote: »

just did a check and Ashbeck water has a lot of chlorine in it

rubadub wrote: »

I would be comparing ashbeck to bottled water that you do not have any doubts about.

Did you use your test strips in a brand you do trust?

You said "Ashbeck water has a lot of chlorine in it" what values did the strip indicate?

2L bottles of lots of tesco fizzy drinks are 55cent, there would be cost of ingredients and carbonation. I remember getting protein powders from a place in the UK years back and it was £6 for up to 30 or 35kg by courier.

jjjd

According the the FSAI there are only 2 recognised Irish natural mineral water sources - Ballygowan and Glenpatrick

https://www.fsai.ie/faq/bottled_water.html

regi3457

CeilingFly wrote: »

This is getting ridiculous/stupid. They don't send them individually by Fedex.

Say 49 per layer, 5 layers per pallet, 20 pallets per truck. Max €1000 - €1200 per truck movement UK to Ireland (probably lower due to volume)

That equates to 20c per bottle. Add extra transport from Irish warehouse to store. Maximum 30c per bottle, in reality probably 20c-22c in total.

BTW - a 40ft container from China to Dublin is less than €2,500, so if the water was coming from China, the cost would be about 40c per bottle. Bulk shipping is cheap.

Is it possible for a truck like that to cross the channel on a ferry?

regi3457

jjjd wrote: »

According the the FSAI there are only 2 recognised Irish natural mineral water sources - Ballygowan and Glenpatrick

https://www.fsai.ie/faq/bottled_water.html

What about the Ishka spring and the Celtic pure spring? I thought those were supposed to be very important as they supply a lot of brands.

rubadub

regi3457 wrote: »

What about the Ishka spring and the Celtic pure spring? I thought those were supposed to be very important as they supply a lot of brands.

they are seemingly spring water, he said mineral water. His link has a link to the legal definitions.

regi3457

rubadub wrote: »

Did you use your test strips in a brand you do trust?

You said "Ashbeck water has a lot of chlorine in it" what values did the strip indicate?

2L bottles of lots of tesco fizzy drinks are 55cent, there would be cost of ingredients and carbonation. I remember getting protein powders from a place in the UK years back and it was £6 for up to 30 or 35kg by courier.

No I ran out of strips but I ordered more so I will check .The value was around 0.2 ppm

regi3457

rubadub wrote: »

they are seemingly spring water, he said mineral water.

oh ok got it

Former Former

To answer the OP's questions:

1. Is it tap water? No, absolutely not.
2. Is it economical to sell it at this price? It doesn't matter.

Whatever is making the OP unwell, it's not the water

regi3457

Former Former wrote: »

To answer the OP's questions:

1. Is it tap water? No, absolutely not.
2. Is it economical to sell it at this price? It doesn't matter.

Whatever is making the OP unwell, it's not the water

ok thanks for your opinion but are you not concerned why there would be chlorine in the water? surely that does matter? Or maybe it is normal for bottled mineral water to have chlorine in it... the matter of fact is I don't know and am hoping for someone else to educate me.

Former Former

regi3457 wrote: »

ok thanks for your opinion but are you not concerned why there would be chlorine in the water? surely that does matter? Or maybe it is normal for bottled mineral water to have chlorine in it... the matter of fact is I don't know and am hoping for someone else to educate me.

It's not chlorine, it's chloride. I saw a post above which says "they're the same thing". They absolutely, 100% are not.

Basically, mineral and spring water comes from water filtering through rocks over a long period of time, the rocks act as a natural purification device.

And, of course, rocks are made up of minerals. Limestone is mainly made up of calcium carbonate, granite is mostly quartz, etc etc.

Now, some of these minerals dissolve in water, like calcium carbonate, while others do not, like quartz.

As the water passes through limestone, it dissolves tiny amounts of calcium carbonate (or whatever mineral is present) and this comes out with the water when it's collected. These minerals give water their taste.

Rocks will also contain chloride salts in smaller amounts, such as sodium chloride, magnesium chloride etc. Likewise, these will dissolve as the water passes through the rock and end up in the bottle.

It's completely normal, in fact if you had a natural water that was completely chloride free, I'd be confused as to how that happened. But the levels are very low, you'd get far more chloride out of a bag of crisps.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

regi3457 wrote: »

ok thanks for your opinion but are you not concerned why there would be chlorine in the water? surely that does matter? Or maybe it is normal for bottled mineral water to have chlorine in it... the matter of fact is I don't know and am hoping for someone else to educate me.

What bit of several replies explaining that CHLORIDE, not chlorine, is in that water and is perfectly normal for natural water, with the amount dependent on the mineral composition of the source? You seem to constantly ignore this.

regi3457

Hendrix Acidic Geyser wrote: »

What bit of several replies explaining that CHLORIDE, not chlorine, is in that water and is perfectly normal for natural water, with the amount dependent on the mineral composition of the source? You seem to constantly ignore this.

CHLORINE is in the water and CHLORIDE

chloride is stipulated on the bottle but chlorine is not.

I checked for CHLORINE using CHLORINE STRIPS and there is CHLORINE in the water

regi3457

Former Former wrote: »

It's not chlorine, it's chloride. I saw a post above which says "they're the same thing". They absolutely, 100% are not.

Basically, mineral and spring water comes from water filtering through rocks over a long period of time, the rocks act as a natural purification device.

And, of course, rocks are made up of minerals. Limestone is mainly made up of calcium carbonate, granite is mostly quartz, etc etc.

Now, some of these minerals dissolve in water, like calcium carbonate, while others do not, like quartz.

As the water passes through limestone, it dissolves tiny amounts of calcium carbonate (or whatever mineral is present) and this comes out with the water when it's collected. These minerals give water their taste.

Rocks will also contain chloride salts in smaller amounts, such as sodium chloride, magnesium chloride etc. Likewise, these will dissolve as the water passes through the rock and end up in the bottle.

It's completely normal, in fact if you had a natural water that was completely chloride free, I'd be confused as to how that happened. But the levels are very low, you'd get far more chloride out of a bag of crisps.

no it IS chlorine. Chlorine chlorine chlorine. My test strips measure chlorine not chloride

L1011

regi3457 wrote: »

no it IS chlorine. Chlorine chlorine chlorine. My test strips measure chlorine not chloride

Calm down

Former Former

regi3457 wrote: »

no it IS chlorine. Chlorine chlorine chlorine. My test strips measure chlorine not chloride

I see. You've mentioned that there is 0.2 ppm chlorine according to your test strips. That is essentially zero and is nothing to worry about. It would be dwarfed by the amount of chloride in the water.

The water coming out of your tap has anywhere between 1 and 5 ppm chlorine in it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

regi3457 wrote: »

CHLORINE is in the water and CHLORIDE

chloride is stipulated on the bottle but chlorine is not.

I checked for CHLORINE using CHLORINE STRIPS and there is CHLORINE in the water

Chlorine strips show positive for chloride as chloride is formed when chlorine gains an electron. But it is then chloride not chlorine.

regi3457

Hendrix Acidic Geyser wrote: »

Chlorine strips show positive for chloride as chloride is formed when chlorine gains an electron. But it is then chloride not chlorine.

Can you please point me to your source that says chlorine strips test positive for chloride? I was not able to find anything on the packaging of my chlorine strips or indeed on the internet that says the same

thanks

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

regi3457 wrote: »

Can you please point me to your source that says chlorine strips test positive for chloride? I was not able to find anything on the packaging of my chlorine strips or indeed on the internet that says the same

thanks

Decades of scientific work! You just refuse to accept the fact. So, good luck with it. I'm out.

regi3457

Hendrix Acidic Geyser wrote: »

Decades of scientific work! You just refuse to accept the fact. So, good luck with it. I'm out.

No, I think that you just don't like that I won't take your word for it. I think asking for a source or more info is reasonable since a lot of what people say is untrue on the internet.

Former Former

regi3457 wrote: »

Can you please point me to your source that says chlorine strips test positive for chloride? I was not able to find anything on the packaging of my chlorine strips or indeed on the internet that says the same

thanks

What is the brand of test strips?

freshpopcorn

I know somebody who drinks use the 5 litre bottles of water and they find the own branded ones in Tesco the best. Some of the other supermarke can be full of lime.

regi3457

Former Former wrote: »

What is the brand of test strips?

Sensafe Drinking Water Total Chlorine Test Kit (50 Test Strips) 480010

BeardySi

A cursory googling shows that 4-5ppm is the advised upper limit for chlorine in drinking water. 2ppm seems to be the minimum for it to be of any use in controlling bacteria. Your 0.2ppm is a trace amount and nothing more. Don't waste any more of your life tilting at windmills.