Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Father Hernandez

If City sign Sanchez for £20mil & Raheem Sterling, it'll be an absolute bargain and prove that Wenger has actually lost the plot (but we all knew that a few years ago)

TitianGerm

Father Hernandez wrote: »

If City sign Sanchez for £20mil & Raheem Sterling, it'll be an absolute bargain and prove that Wenger has actually lost the plot (but we all knew that a few years ago)

Sterling cost £50m two years ago (was it three?) in today's money that's easily £70m.

Even looking at the £50+£20, is Alexis not in his final year? £70 seems high for that.

JaMarcusHustle

zerks wrote: »

Regarding the Sanchez stuff,it's being reported now that Arsenal want Aguero as part of any deal with City.

I doubt Aguero would be interested. Though I imagine Wenger would like another high profile striker to drop for Danny Welbeck in big games.

Deise Vu

emmetkenny wrote: »

Sterling cost £50m two years ago (was it three?) in today's money that's easily £70m.

Even looking at the £50+£20, is Alexis not in his final year? £70 seems high for that.

Also Sterling is 23 in December, Sanchez is 29 also in December.

I will be shot for this, but I don't get the Sanchez love at all. He is great on the ball but all the moaning and groaning, head-shaking, woe-is-me having to play on this crap team stuff. What does that do to his team-mates? I think Wenger should snap City's hand off for that deal. (Not that even signing Messi would save Wenger's reputation at this stage).

LuckyLloyd

zerks wrote: »

Regarding the Sanchez stuff,it's being reported now that Arsenal want Aguero as part of any deal with City.

Aguero wouldn't waste his time going there.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Keita to Monaco done deal I think

What??

TitianGerm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What??

Balde Kieta

irishman86

Father Hernandez wrote: »

If City sign Sanchez for £20mil & Raheem Sterling, it'll be an absolute bargain and prove that Wenger has actually lost the plot (but we all knew that a few years ago)

If that happens ill congratulate Wenger, Sterling has boundless potential and Sanchez is in the last year of his contract

emmetkenny

emmetkenny wrote: »

Balde Kieta

lol was thinking for a moment :pac:

Agent Coulson

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What??

Keita Balde of Lazio

speedboatchase

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Keita to Monaco done deal I think

What??

Keita Balde, not Naby Keita.

irishman86

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What??

The other one

irishman86

irishman86 wrote: »

If that happens ill congratulate Wenger, Sterling has boundless potential and Sanchez is in the last year of his contract

Sterling has started well for City this season. And is young.
Who else would Arsenal be in a position to bring in at this late stage.
I'd say it's paramount that he is part of any deal for Sanchez

pjohnson

Theres too many Keita's and Dembele's :pac:

jive

Getting Sterling would be a good deal for Arsenal. He has a decade left at top level whereas Sanchez has substantially less and is in his final year of contract. Sums up the wanting of instant success by City and Pep... not that it will be any solace for Arsenal fans losing Sanchez.

Cantona's Collars

emmetkenny wrote: »

Lemar to Liverpool now?

https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/902488617498619905

"Liverpool offer €80 million plus Origi for Lemar".

Lequipe.

CantGetNoSleep

That's a serious whack of coin now

TitianGerm

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/902488617498619905

"Liverpool offer €80 million plus Origi for Lemar".

Lequipe.

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/902493567838560256

James Pearce also on it.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Liverpool spending the Coutinho money it seems

TitianGerm

MrMac84 wrote: »

Liverpool spending the Coutinho money it seems

Spending all the money we stashed under the mattress for the last few years :pac:

irishman86

MrMac84 wrote: »

Liverpool spending the Coutinho money it seems

Or the money they were throwing at VVD & Keita
Liverpool really dont need to worry about money

TitianGerm

irishman86 wrote: »

Or the money they were throwing at VVD & Keita
Liverpool really dont need to worry about money

We bought Kieta

whatawaster

MrMac84 wrote: »

Liverpool spending the Coutinho money it seems

Doesn't seem so.

It seems the money is there for Lemar and VVD.

It is likely that Coutinho will leave next summer though I'd imagine, and his fee will more than offset Keita's.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Can't see why they insist on signing attacking players when they are crying out for a keeper and a cb

pjohnson

emmetkenny wrote: »

We bought Kieta

That doesnt effectthis years account/dudget surely?

whatawaster

MrMac84 wrote: »

Can't see why they insist on signing attacking players when they are crying out for a keeper and a cb

We are definitely still in for a CB, the VVD links have not gone away.

Still, you can never have enough quality attacking options

ricero

MrMac84 wrote: »

Can't see why they insist on signing attacking players when they are crying out for a keeper and a cb

Score all the goals !

pjohnson

ricero wrote: »

Score all the goals !

#Pepstyle

TitianGerm

pjohnson wrote: »

That doesnt effectthis years account/dudget surely?

The €48+€3 is paid now and additional payments next summer depending how RBL do this year.

pjohnson

Arsenal seem to be stuck with Gibbs. His wage demands caused the deal to Watford to collapse.

CantGetNoSleep

pjohnson wrote: »

Arsenal seem to be stuck with Gibbs. His wage demands caused the deal to Watford to collapse.

Probably being a very average player didn't help either. Would have been gone 5 years ago under another manager.

Cantona's Collars

emmetkenny wrote: »

Spending all the money we stashed under the mattress for the last few years :pac:

Being Merseyside, I'm surprised it wasn't stolen in a burglary:)

pjohnson

Arsenal trying to flog Debuchy to Brighton. I thought he shagged off to Nice a month ago?

irishman86

emmetkenny wrote: »

We bought Kieta

Exactly the transfers arent related to Coutinho
The money was there the whole summer

irishman86

pjohnson wrote: »

#Pepstyle

Pep has spent near 300 mill on goalies and defenders they just arent very good

whatawaster

emmetkenny wrote: »

The €48+€3 is paid now and additional payments next summer depending how RBL do this year.

But his cost will not affect our accounts (or FFP rules) until his contract starts with us, so the 2018/2019 season.

irishman86

I dont think anyone could have predicted that Jonny Evans would be in a tug of war with all the top clubs
Its funny he would really suit Liverpool but dont see them going for him

pjohnson

whatawaster wrote: »

But his cost will not affect our accounts (or FFP rules) until his contract starts with us, so the 2018/2019 season.

This is my understanding. Thats the whole reason Kalinic and Kessie (Milan), Mbappe (PSG) move on loan with a compulsary buy. Save adding to this years expenditure. The fees are paid next year.

KaiserGunner

pjohnson wrote: »

Arsenal seem to be stuck with Gibbs. His wage demands caused the deal to Watford to collapse.

Arsenal accepted a bid from West Brom for Gibbs, £7m. Hopefully he doesn't price himself out of this move too.

Mr.H

whatawaster wrote:

But his cost will not affect our accounts (or FFP rules) until his contract starts with us, so the 2018/2019 season.

Nobody knows when the money will be paid or how. I'd imagine though that red bull would like something up front. In that case it would reflect the accounts this year.

Amortisation though......

irishman86

Mr.H wrote: »

Nobody knows when the money will be paid or how. I'd imagine though that red bull would like something up front. In that case it would reflect the accounts this year.

Amortisation though......

FFP doesnt work like that though, RB can get all the money tomorrow but it wont be counted against Liverpool till the start of his contract then will be spread over the 5 years
The same way with Neymar it will be over the time of his contract

Mr.H

irishman86 wrote:

FFP doesnt work like that though, RB can get all the money tomorrow but it wont be counted against Liverpool till the start of his contract then will be spread over the 5 years The same way with Neymar it will be over the time of his contract

Of course it will be counted. The same way if we paid off a staff members contract. The year the money is spent in the year it is counted.

If Liverpool gave red bull all the money this now, it would be counted from now. If they are giving them the money next year it will be counted from then.

It is about spend. When you spend money it is going to be counted towards ffp.

The happening over the duration of the contract is amortisation which means it will be divided by the length of his deal. 5 year contract means the fee is divided by 5. Doesn't matter when it starts. It matters when we start paying.

But as I said no-one knows that info yet

Mitch Connor

Mr.H wrote: »

The happening over the duration of the contract is amortisation which means it will be divided by the length of his deal. 5 year contract means the fee is divided by 5. Doesn't matter when it starts. It matters when we start paying.

Also, that is only club accountancy - in terms of amortisation. FFP is different. it is done on a 3 year period, nothing to do with the length of any contract.

If Liverpool paid now, it is in their accounts as spend now, and will be considered by FFP as being spent now, and factored into any calculations over the next 3 years. So, it will be forgotten about by FFP at the end of year 2 of Keita being at liverpool, but from an accountancy/reporting perspective for liverpool themselves it will continue over the course of his signed contract. Assuming Keita has already signed a contract, I would assume that accountancy process will start now too.

pjohnson

So WTF is the point of these loans with a compulsary buy if the money changes hands anyway?

alchemist33

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Arsenal accepted a bid from West Brom for Gibbs, £7m. Hopefully he doesn't price himself out of this move too.

He was probably holding on, hoping Chelsea would take him instead of Oxlade Chamberlain by mistake.

MagicIRL

pjohnson wrote: »

So WTF is the point of these loans with a compulsary buy if the money changes hands anyway?

Sidesteps Financial Fair Play entirely. You off-set the fee for another 12 months.

Trigger

Evans at the heart of the weirdest love triangle ever

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/902511108002648065

Jonny Evans wanted by @Arsenal. @WBA want Mangala. Mangala wants @Inter_en. @ManCity want Evans. Anyone remember Soap? Confused, you will be

irishman86

Mr.H wrote: »

Of course it will be counted. The same way if we paid off a staff members contract. The year the money is spent in the year it is counted.

If Liverpool gave red bull all the money this now, it would be counted from now. If they are giving them the money next year it will be counted from then.

It is about spend. When you spend money it is going to be counted towards ffp.

The happening over the duration of the contract is amortisation which means it will be divided by the length of his deal. 5 year contract means the fee is divided by 5. Doesn't matter when it starts. It matters when we start paying.

But as I said no-one knows that info yet

That isnt how it works, it starts when his contract kicks in
If Liverpool gave the club the money now it would not count till 2018 when his contract kicks in
Plus the club isnt called Red Bull

sword1

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Also, that is only club accountancy - in terms of amortisation. FFP is different. it is done on a 3 year period, nothing to do with the length of any contract.

If Liverpool paid now, it is in their accounts as spend now, and will be considered by FFP as being spent now, and factored into any calculations over the next 3 years. So, it will be forgotten about by FFP at the end of year 2 of Keita being at liverpool, but from an accountancy/reporting perspective for liverpool themselves it will continue over the course of his signed contract. Assuming Keita has already signed a contract, I would assume that accountancy process will start now too.

No it is over the length of the contract, three years is the assessment so you would have three of the for example five years in the assessment

Mitch Connor

sword1 wrote: »

No it is over the length of the contract, three years is the assessment so you would have three of the for example five years in the assessment

What?

So if United buy a player for 100million, on a five year contract, FFP would only look at 60million of the fee? That makes no sense? Surely that can't be right.