Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

posturingpat

Swansea may start booking weekends in Preston and Barnsley for next year.

Cantona's Collars

Aurier given a work permit,£23 million move to Spurs almost complete.

Cantona's Collars

smileyj1987 wrote: »

You do know liverpool have virtually spent nothing in the last few years so have got money lying around plus champions league aswell

Nearly £200 million spent over the last couple of seasons including this window.

Boom_Bap

GLaDOS wrote: »

Can Lemar play through the middle at all or is he purely a winger?

Both apparently, anywhere across the front 3 or can play as a #10 as well.

pjohnson

posturingpat wrote: »

Swansea may start booking weekends in Preston and Barnsley for next year.

The Sigurdsson money was supposed to set off a chain for them. Maybe they just waiting to ship out Llorente. They were linked with Bony, Chadli and R. Sanchez. If they get that trio they wont be too badly off. Defence still needed upgrades.

TitianGerm

zerks wrote: »

Nearly £200 million spent over the last couple of seasons including this window.

And how much did they take in in those same windows? There was 125 between Sterling and Suarez alone.

posturingpat

pjohnson wrote: »

The Sigurdsson money was supposed to set off a chain for them. Maybe they just waiting to ship out Llorente. They were linked with Bony, Chadli and R. Sanchez. If they get that trio they wont be too badly off. Defence still needed upgrades.

Hard to see anybody wanting to go there now though? The 3 of them would be good additions but as it stands that squad is poor.

ThunbergsAreGo

zerks wrote: »

Nearly £200 million spent over the last couple of seasons including this window.

Small beans, United and City spend that in a weekend

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/902859112140201984

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emmetkenny wrote: »

And how much did they take in in those same windows? There was 125 between Sterling and Suarez alone.

Net spend la.:):)

You as a Liverpool fan know as well as anyone FSG aren't exactly fans of splashing huge money on single players,£74 million on Lemar will give them sleepless nights.

smileyj1987

zerks wrote: »

Nearly £200 million spent over the last couple of seasons including this window.

Your not considering net spend at all in the 16/17 about 4 million profit was made and this season they are -34 million

irishman86

Mr.H wrote: »

Exactly he would be rotated in those teams and to be honest he would be lucky to get into a team that isn't a relegation candidate.

That's of course if he left Leicester



He played about 15 league games that season not exactly a fair bit

Like you said yourself its your opinion and i dont agree with in the slightest, Smalling has played a hell lot more than 15 games as a United starter

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smileyj1987 wrote: »

Your not considering net spend at all in the 16/17 about 4 million profit was made and this season they are -34 million

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

TitianGerm

zerks wrote: »

Net spend la.:):)

You as a Liverpool fan know as well as anyone FSG aren't exactly fans of splashing huge money on single players,£74 million on Lemar will give them sleepless nights.

They've gotten the CL now and want to stay there. Also massive increase in TV money so it's there to be spent.

fyfe79

zerks wrote: »

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

Businesses usually are. It's pretty important. If you're talking about money going out, you need to also talk about money coming in.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/DiMarzio/status/902856348546859010

Di Marzio,Lazio and Valencia both in talks over Nani.

ERG89

zerks wrote:

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

Tbf the club can't spend as recklessly as a Man City or PSG so of course net spend would matter. Like last year when Mane came in Benteke had to go then to balance the books

Rayne Wooney

If the Lemar and VVD transfers go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho and Conte, just behind Pep in second on highest spending manager in the league.

And coincidentally at that exact moment the term cheque book manager will go extinct, entirely unrelated of course

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

Like you said yourself its your opinion and i dont agree with in the slightest, Smalling has played a hell lot more than 15 games as a United starter

10/11 season he made 16 appearances. 12/13 season he made 15 appearences. Not started, appearences. Certainly a back up for those title winning seasons.

irishman86

zerks wrote: »

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

Because its a accurate measure of how much money they have spent and have currently to spend
People who are saying they are spending the Coutinho money are ignoring they were spending that money before Barca came knocking they just couldnt get clubs to sell

ERG89

Rayne Wooney wrote:

If the Lemar and VVD transfers go through.

Gargantuan sized lF at present

TitianGerm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If the Lemar and VVD transfers go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho and Conte, just behind Pep in second on highest spending manager in the league.

And coincidentally at that exact moment the term cheque book manager will go extinct, entirely unrelated of course

This year?

The Talking Bread

Mr.H wrote: »

Exactly he would be rotated in those teams and to be honest he would be lucky to get into a team that isn't a relegation candidate.

That's of course if he left Leicester



He played about 15 league games that season not exactly a fair bit

I am not sure what you are basing your "Albrighton would be lucky to get into a relegation team other than a relegation candidate" nonsense on but, alas, opinions are opinions. He is currently a first teamer in a Leicester team that has a wealth of decent players across their midfield.

Danny Drinkwater, Ahmed Musa, Andy King, Marc Albrighton, Daniel Amartey, Vicente Iborra, Demarai Gray, Mendy, Ndidi, Riyad Mahrez, Sam Hughes

As well as forwards that could slot in as wingers or at least be accomadated in the team ahead of Albrighton, such as Okazaki, Inneacho, Slimani, and Ulloua

Do you honestly think the majority of PL teams have more competition for a place in attack?

pjohnson

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If the Lemar and VVD transfers go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho and Conte, just behind Pep in second on highest spending manager in the league.

And coincidentally at that exact moment the term cheque book manager will go extinct, entirely unrelated of course

While I get the *subtle* attempt to provoke a rise tbf if they DO then sell Coutinho then they've pretty much self funded a large portion of the deals rather than used a wealthy owner.

Giggsy11

fyfe79 wrote: »

Businesses usually are. It's pretty important. If you're talking about money going out, you need to also talk about money coming in.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

10/11 season he made 16 appearances. 12/13 season he made 15 appearences. Not started, appearences. Certainly a back up for those title winning seasons.

Since when are title winning seasons a judge of a player
Gerrard was for me one of the best midfielders ive seen and he never won a title
Smalling is a quality player ignoring that is ridiculous

Giggsy11

pjohnson wrote: »

While I get the *subtle* attempt to provoke a rise tbf if they DO then sell Coutinho then they've pretty much self funded a large portion of the deals rather than used a wealthy owner.

ManUtd deals are self funded, not sure anyone can even dispute that. Not a penny from owner, instead they are taking money out of the club.

fyfe79

Giggsy11 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths

Fair enough. Maybe net spend isn't the correct term for what we're talking about here. Bluntly, a club would look more favourably on spending big if they have just received a huge transfer fee for a player and the resulting removal of that players wage from the payroll.

Cantona's Collars

In the last couple of seasons EPL clubs have lost £2.1 billion. City and Chelsea between them make up nearly half that.There's huge turnover but not huge profits for EPL clubs.

smileyj1987

zerks wrote: »

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

Because unlike a blanket statement like yours of 200 million spent it isnt showing the whole picture of whats going on

LiamoSail

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If the Lemar and VVD transfers go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho and Conte, just behind Pep in second on highest spending manager in the league.

And coincidentally at that exact moment the term cheque book manager will go extinct, entirely unrelated of course

That's doesn't really sound right so I googled it. Since Mourinho came in, United have spent £238m and Liverpool have spent £24m.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/manchester-united/english-football-teams/manchester-united-transfers

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers

Even if you disregard players sold, and Liverpool sold a decent number of first team players, they've still spent about £200m less in that period.

So unless Liverpool are planning on signing Neymar tomorrow without selling either Sahko or Coutinho, Mourinho can hold on to that cheque book manager title. Another title for him to count with his charity shields etc.

Mr.H

irishman86 wrote:

Like you said yourself its your opinion and i dont agree with in the slightest, Smalling has played a hell lot more than 15 games as a United starter

15 games as a starter in his first premier league winning season!

Mr.H

irishman86 wrote:

Since when are title winning seasons a judge of a player Gerrard was for me one of the best midfielders ive seen and he never won a title Smalling is a quality player ignoring that is ridiculous

The point is he wasn't a reason for united winning the league. Merely a passenger.

Lukker-

Mr.H wrote: »

The point is he wasn't a reason for united winning the league. Merely a passenger.

United had a good defence that season IIRC and starting 15 games isn't being a passenger

The Talking Bread

Mr.H wrote: »

The point is he wasn't a reason for united winning the league. Merely a passenger.

He was 3rd choice defender behind Vidic and Ferdinand, 2 of the best PL defenders over the last 20 odd years. If you think Ferguson would have him as cover if he was merely an average defender.

What is your depiction of "overrated" anyway. General opinion about Smalling was hardly in any way to a degree of hyperbole.

In fact, looking at the stats back in 2012/13, Vidic only played a few more games than Smalling. Evans was playing brilliantly back then also

That_Guy

Dwight Gayle looks set to go to Fulham. Should hold on for £20m. Proven goalscorer at that level.

I'd be worried who we can get on short notice though.

Jack Colback due to go to Wolves on loan too so that's a bit of a positive. High wages and has been poor for a long time.

pjohnson

That_Guy wrote: »

Dwight Gayle looks set to go to Fulham. Should hold on for £20m. Proven goalscorer at that level.

I'd be worried who we can get on short notice though.

Jack Colback due to go to Wolves on loan too so that's a bit of a positive. High wages and has been poor for a long time.

With De Jong gone aswell and Hanley nearly gone ye are finally selling the players who wont be playing. Still have Saivet, Krul and Lazaar mind. But no more than Arsenal ye've left it so late how on earth do ye expect to replace them?

Cantona's Collars

Barca want Lemar now,they are like that spoiled kid at a party who thinks the other kids are getting more treats than them so demand that they get some.

TitianGerm

zerks wrote: »

Barca want Lemar now,they are like that spoiled kid at a party who thinks the other kids are getting more treats than them so demand that they get some.

More like the spoilt kid who wants the sweets another kid has and because that other kid won't give them to him he just runs around trying to grab all the other sweets the other kid wants.

The Talking Bread

or else they just consider him a very good player and 40 odd million cheaper than their preferred target in that position.............

It is very logical pettiness if Liverpool fans consider it pettiness that they are targetting him now

TitianGerm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

or else they just consider him a very good player and 40 odd million cheaper than their preferred target in that position.............

It is very logical pettiness if Liverpool fans consider it pettiness that they are targetting him now

They also bid for Kieta last week. Bit of a coincidence wouldn't you think?

Giggsy11

emmetkenny wrote: »

They also bid for Kieta last week. Bit of a coincidence wouldn't you think?

Or maybe you are believing every click bait articles?

Rayne Wooney

LiamoSail wrote: »

That's doesn't really sound right so I googled it. Since Mourinho came in, United have spent £238m and Liverpool have spent £24m.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/manchester-united/english-football-teams/manchester-united-transfers

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers

Even if you disregard players sold, and Liverpool sold a decent number of first team players, they've still spent about £200m less in that period.

So unless Liverpool are planning on signing Neymar tomorrow without selling either Sahko or Coutinho, Mourinho can hold on to that cheque book manager title. Another title for him to count with his charity shields etc.

What you spend has nothing to do with what you've sold. United finance transfers through advertising yet we don't say we've a net profit after signing Pogba and Lukaku.

If those two signings go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho, they are the facts.

The Talking Bread

emmetkenny wrote: »

They also bid for Kieta last week. Bit of a coincidence wouldn't you think?

Did they though.............. or was it, eh, one of the dozens and dozens of "Barcelona are reportedly targetting/ turning their interest to _____________" column fillers that we have been privy to the last fortnight. A transfer happens when it happens. Most of these reports are clickbait, especially with Barca this Summer

Utopia Parkway

zerks wrote: »

Why are Liverpool so obsessed with net spend?

Net spend is quite important if you don't have a bottomless pit of money to spend. Generally means much of your spending is linked to recouping money on selling players.

If we had a bottomless pit of money I probably wouldn't care about net spend either.

TitianGerm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

What you spend has nothing to do with what you've sold. United finance transfers through advertising yet we don't say we've a net profit after signing Pogba and Lukaku.

If those two signings go through Klopp will have spent more than Mourinho, they are the facts.

Where does the money go from player sales then for United? Is it not reinvested?

Most clubs would buy after they sell. Look at Swansea after Sigurdson left, they are looking to get a few players in.

Comparing a teams in and out on transfers has been used for as long as I can remember now.

TitianGerm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Did they though.............. or was it, eh, one of the dozens and dozens of "Barcelona are reportedly targetting/ turning their interest to _____________" column fillers that we have been privy to the last fortnight. A transfer happens when it happens. Most of these reports are clickbait, especially with Barca this Summer

Ballague said Barca weren't bidding on Kieta... So they clearly were bidding

Agent Coulson

emmetkenny wrote: »

Ballague said Barca weren't bidding on Kieta... So they clearly were bidding

Ballague was stilling saying that even after he signed for us.


Sky looped the interview for hours after the deal went through.

The Talking Bread

emmetkenny wrote: »

Ballague said Barca weren't bidding on Kieta... So they clearly were bidding

The Keita deal was more or less done and dusted Saturday/Sunday you would imagine and publicised Monday! Ballague came out with that nonsense on monday morning,,,,,,,,,,an hour or 2 later..........well you know what happened!!!

TitianGerm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The Keita deal was more or less done and dusted Saturday/Sunday you would imagine and publicised Monday! Ballague came out with that nonsense on monday morning,,,,,,,,,,an hour or 2 later..........well you know what happened!!!

I know I'm only taking the piss out of Ballague and that the opposite of what he says usually happens.