Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Trigger

Thought there would be a better team than Leicester going to pick him up if he moved

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/883004365711212544

ERG89

astradave wrote:

Thought there would be a better team than Leicester going to pick him up if he moved

First reply is from sarcastic everyone.

Laois_Man

Gbear wrote: »

Would he take a massive pay cut to go back to Everton?

How much will they have to spend.

If he goes on a free and takes 150k then it's worth a punt.

If it's £20m and 250k then it wouldn't be.
I don't think that fee is unreasonable and I'm sure Rooney would get those kinds of wages in the US, Asia or the Middle East if he fancied a pay day.

£20 Million transfer fee plus £250,000 per week wages would require a 4-year contract in order to reach £70 Million

There is absolutely no chance Everton will offer any of those 3 things, never mind all 3.

Rooney's main ambition is to go to one last World Cup and a move to the US, Asia or the Middle East is going to end any hope of that straight away.

rwbug

astradave wrote: »

Thought there would be a better team than Leicester going to pick him up if he moved

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/883004365711212544

Better teams won't accept Citys buy back clause.

Also Clichy moves to Basaksehir.

https://twitter.com/ibfk2014/status/883003976135921664

martyos121

Laois_Man wrote: »

Rooney's main ambition is to go to one last World Cup and a move to the US, Asia or the Middle East is going to end any hope of that straight away.

The fact that he's now crap at football should've already ended any hope of that tbh.

Jayop

Laois_Man wrote: »

Rooney's main ambition is to go to one last World Cup and a move to the US, Asia or the Middle East is going to end any hope of that straight away.

Eh? Where did you get that from?

Alf Veedersane

martyos121 wrote: »

The fact that he's now crap at football should've already ended any hope of that tbh.

When did England bring in this 'you can't play because you're crap at football' clause?

Cantona's Collars

astradave wrote: »

Thought there would be a better team than Leicester going to pick him up if he moved

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/883004365711212544

https://twitter.com/TelegraphDucker/status/883012712485322753

Gone for £25 million, good bit of business by City.

Wow, Everton laughing all the way to the bank

TitianGerm

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TelegraphDucker/status/883012712485322753

Gone for £25 million, good bit of business by City.

Which City? I wouldn't mind seeing him at Liverpool for that fee.

POKERKING

zerks wrote: »

astradave wrote: »

Thought there would be a better team than Leicester going to pick him up if he moved

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/883004365711212544

https://twitter.com/TelegraphDucker/status/883012712485322753

Gone for £25 million, good bit of business by City.

That will be a bargain when looked at in a couple of years. Could be the signing of the summer for me.

Hierro_4

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Wow, Everton laughing all the way to the bank

Not sure if you've been following transfers this summer?

In the current market where the likes of Pickford are going for £30m, £75m is relative value for Lukaku.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

Not sure if you've been following transfers this summer?

In the current market where the likes of Pickford are going for £30m, £75m is relative value for Lukaku.

Incredible price for Everton (75m) Not that hard to understand surely

SuperTortoise

The Lukaku fee will be more than 75m, Everton were reportedly looking for 100m for him, and with interest from Chelsea the final fee with add-ons i'd expect to be very close to that.

Cantona's Collars

Chelsea now reported to be turning their attention to Morata after the Lukaku news.

Hierro_4

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Incredible price for Everton (75m) Not that hard to understand surely

''Wow, Everton laughing all the way to the bank''

You imply that Everton have caught Man Utd with their pants down. The reality is that Everton are selling an asset for close to his market value.

rwbug

Alaves have taken up their option to buy Sobrino from City for €2 million

https://twitter.com/ManCity/status/883039766501085185

Laois_Man

Jayop wrote: »

Eh? Where did you get that from?

Eh? Did somebody tell you Rooney had retired from England?

It has been in several places like here for example:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-transfer-news-wayne-rooney-future-david-de-gea-new-home-kit-a7821181.html

And considering the likes of 35 year old Jermaine Defoe with his 1 goal in the last 4 months of the season was called into their last squad at the end of May, why not. They're not exactly spoiled for choice with 4 strikers.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

''Wow, Everton laughing all the way to the bank''

You imply that Everton have caught Man Utd with their pants down. The reality is that Everton are selling an asset for close to his market value.

Yeah, they are getting a huge price. Almost treble what they paid. Everton will be the ones with their pants down, and their flutes out waving.

Hierro_4

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Yeah, they are getting a huge price. Almost treble what they paid. Everton will be the ones with their pants down, and their flutes out waving.

What they paid initially is irrelevant. They would prefer to keep him rather than take the money. They're not laughing that they're losing him.

This isn't like for example 2011 when Liverpool paid £35m for Andy Carroll. This is a market value transfer, or at least it's close enough.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

What they paid initially is irrelevant.

They would prefer to keep him rather than take the money. They're not laughing that they're losing him.

This isn't like for example 2011 when Liverpool paid £35m for Andy Carroll. This is a market value transfer, or at least it's close enough.

Hope you're not a businessman!

I doubt it's irrelevant when you're talking 50m profit.

Burial.

I presume there's a buy back clause in there for Iheanacho. If not they're making a huge mistake. World class potential and looks pretty class already.

Hierro_4

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Hope you're not a businessman!

I doubt it's irrelevant when you're talking 50m profit.

You don't have a clue.

It doesn't matter whether Everton paid £5m, £10m, £30m or got him for free.

That is not a factor in his current market value.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

You don't have a clue.

It doesn't matter whether Everton paid £5m, £10m, £30m or got him for free.

That is not a factor in his current market value.

Of course it matters. It's called making a profit on an asset.

Buy at price A and sell at higher price B. Pretty simple maths tbh.

Alf Veedersane

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Of course it matters. It's called making a profit on an asset.

Buy at price A and sell at higher price B. Pretty simple maths tbh.

It's not quite that simple. The frame of reference is different.

Either way, the value of the sale lies in how they spend the proceeds.

eagle eye

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Of course it matters. It's called making a profit on an asset.

Buy at price A and sell at higher price B. Pretty simple maths tbh.

That might be the case for a private seller but not for a company.

irishman86

Now that Lukaku might be moving to United it seems he has dropped in how highly posters previously rated him :pac:

Corholio

irishman86 wrote: »

Now that Lukaku might be moving to United it seems he has dropped in how highly posters previously rated him :pac:

or risen in how other posters may have rated him as well :pac:

Shanotheslayer

With that much money being spent for Lukaku maybe now he'll find his first touch.

All the best to him. Doesn't bother me if he left or stayed. Nice money for the club to spend elsewhere.

Alf Veedersane

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

With that much money being spent for Lukaku maybe now he'll find his first touch.

All the best to him. Doesn't bother me if he left or stayed. Nice money for the club to spend elsewhere.

Genuinely surprised at this, to be honest. To not even grudgingly want him to stay. Especially given the lack of goals in the Everton squad.

Hierro_4

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Of course it matters. It's called making a profit on an asset.

Buy at price A and sell at higher price B. Pretty simple maths tbh.

I hope you're not a businessman

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

I hope you're not a businessman

No, thankfully. Selling at a profit is the road to ruin.

stesaurus

RoboKlopp wrote: »

No, thankfully. Selling at a profit is the road to ruin.

Well if that's all you're going to look at and ignore all the other factors then yeah you would be on the road to ruin.
He's an appreciating asset in a market that has gone crazy. Selling at a profit should be pretty easy all things considered

Gavlor

stesaurus wrote: »

Well if that's all you're going to look at and ignore all the other factors then yeah you would be on the road to ruin.
He's an appreciating asset in a market that has gone crazy. Selling at a profit should be pretty easy all things considered

That brings the point back to relevance. His price will be almost double that of lacazette and one of this highest of this crazy market. Therefore his original point stands true. It's a great deal for Everton who will be laughing all the way to the bank. Who they spend then money on is not directly relevant to how good a deal this is for the club.

Edit: scrap all that, I can't believe I'm defending a red.

RoboKlopp

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Wow, Everton laughing all the way to the bank

More of this please

stesaurus

stesaurus wrote: »

Well if that's all you're going to look at and ignore all the other factors then yeah you would be on the road to ruin.
He's an appreciating asset in a market that has gone crazy. Selling at a profit should be pretty easy all things considered

So is it good business for Everton?

Gavlor

Gavlor wrote: »

That brings the point back to relevance. His price will be almost double that of lacazette and one of this highest of this crazy market. Therefore his original point stands true. It's a great deal for Everton who will be laughing all the way to the bank. Who they spend then money on is not directly relevant to how good a deal this is for the club.

Thank you. They amount of lads getting their knickers in a twist is hilarious!

GavRedKing

The only person laughing all the way to the bank here is Raiola.

Is that his 5th or 6th transfer to Utd in the last 3 years?

Jayop

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Hierro_4 wrote: »

I hope you're not a businessman

No, thankfully. Selling at a profit is the road to ruin.

What your doing is only looking at the net worth of that asset and not what that asset could produce for you. It's a very simplistic way to look at a complicated thing.

Sky reporting fee agreed between Utd and Everton

Top signing if done

Boom

martyos121

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Sky reporting fee agreed between Utd and Everton

Top signing if done

Boom

Has Jim White personally confirmed it yet? :pac:

pjohnson

Lukaku's price is about normal for a PL to PL transfer.

Pickford (30 games played/1 season) = 30m
Keane (35 games played/1 season) = 25m (rising to 30m)

Lukaku (4 or 5 seasons played) = 75m

Seems about right given his experience and output in the league.

Even Stones was 50m without the same level of experience. Bringing in Lacazette figure is pointless that deal was with a foreign club. Domestic transfers regularly inflate.

eh i dunno

Fee is 75m rising to 90m and rooney valued at 10m. So 100m all in. Is it a good deal for everton? Yes because Lukaku wants out . I'd rather the 85m and no rooney though.

GavRedKing

I think Lukaku also counts as being homegrown.

Jayop

Jayop wrote: »

What your doing is only looking at the net worth of that asset and not what that asset could produce for you. It's a very simplistic way to look at a complicated thing.

Haven't all the figures at hand.

Which statistical model do you use for such calculations?

domrush

I think its a very fair price in the current market despite the controversy, still have my doubts as to whether he will suit Utd compared to Morata or Griezzmann. Very shrewd the way Utd went about it fairplay to Woodward.

martyos121

martyos121 wrote: »

Has Jim White personally confirmed it yet? :pac:

That man does.my head in!! If he's not jissing in his pants over deadline day he's stirring the pot to get some views on SSN :P

GavRedKing

domrush wrote: »

I think its a very fair price in the current market despite the controversy, still have my doubts as to whether he will suit Utd compared to Morata or Griezzmann. Very shrewd the way Utd went about it fairplay to Woodward.

He scores goals, I think its fair to assume, if goal scoring is a difficult thing to do, a player who does it reguarly for lesser teams, will suit any teams style, especially with betterr players around him.

RoboKlopp

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Haven't all the figures at hand.

Which statistical model do you use for such calculations?

I prefer simple calculations, for example;

Lukaka + Utd =

JPA

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Sky reporting fee agreed between Utd and Everton

Top signing if done

Boom

24 hours late?