Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Andersonisgod

Barca line up Inigo Martinez, Philipe Coutinho and Ousmane Dembele as their big 3 summer targets. All eager to move to Barca, some reportedly closer than others to being done deals. If Barca get all 3 it's been a great summer.

CSF

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Barca line up Inigo Martinez, Philipe Coutinho and Ousmane Dembele as their big 3 summer targets. All eager to move to Barca, some reportedly closer than others to being done deals. If Barca get all 3 it's been a great summer.

Those 3 in and Neymar out is a bad summer.

Andersonisgod

CSF wrote: »

Those 3 in and Neymar out is a bad summer.

Add in Semedo, Marlon and Delofeu and it's been a cracking summer.

Lukker-

CSF wrote: »

Those 3 in and Neymar out is a bad summer.

Disagree

Jayop

How do you know they are all desperate to move to Barca? Is that your opinion or can you demonstrate it as fact?

Arghus

YAWN.

Andersonisgod

Jayop wrote: »

How do you know they are all desperate to move to Barca? Is that your opinion or can you demonstrate it as fact?

Good number of outlets close to Barcelona or reputable reporting deals close for all 3 players. All 3 want to play for Barca, only current clubs stand in the way.

Osmosis Jones

"close to Barcelona" is one way to put it. "Propaganda" may be more appropriate though.

sword1

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

"close to Barcelona" is one way to put it. "Propaganda" may be more appropriate though.

Make it up or tap up

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Good number of outlets close to Barcelona or reputable reporting deals close for all 3 players. All 3 want to play for Barca, only current clubs stand in the way.

Are these the same outlets that told you that Neymar told Marcelo, Ramos and Casaimero that he was off to PSG before telling his own colleagues!!

Jayop

President Pique might have said so.

Tranquilo

StringerBell

Jayop wrote: »

How do you know they are all desperate to move to Barca? Is that your opinion or can you demonstrate it as fact?

Doing the rounds this morning;

£30m Tottenham midfielder Moussa Sissoko is in talks over a loan move to Turkish side Trabzonspor.

eagle eye

A year ago £30 million was a lot of money to pay for a player and it was a really bad signing if it didn't work out. This year it just doesn't seem that important at all. Sissoko imo has never been that good and it was no surprise to me that it didn't work out at Tottenham.

Pogba cost less than half the price of Neymar, sounds like United got a good deal.

Andersonisgod

Jayop wrote: »

President Pique might have said so.

Tranquilo

Has a nice ring to it, looking forward to that actually being his title some day because Barcelona cules do actually elect their own board. It's a people's club and the people love Pique.

Tranquilo

Brendan Flowers

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I think the only people talking about death blows and mourning phases and anger phases are certain Man Utd fans who are probably likening this to when they lost Ronaldo and have since seen their domination of English football fall away significantly. I can safely say this won't be the case at Barcelona post Neymar.

In the 4 seasons after Ronaldo left, Utd won 2 more titles and the other 2 seasons lost out on goal difference and by one point. They also made it to a Champions League final.

Would you not agree that is was actually the lose of the greatest football manager of this generation when Fergie retired that caused Utd to fall away significantly?

Andersonisgod

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

In the 4 seasons after Ronaldo left, Utd won 2 more titles and the other 2 seasons lost out on goal difference and by one point. They also made it to a Champions League final.

Would you not agree that is was actually the lose of the greatest football manager of this generation when Fergie retired that caused Utd to fall away significantly?

Sure I'm not discounting Ferguson leaving as not being a major factor. Though Ronaldo's exit was pretty much the end for the last great team Ferguson built. Fairly obvious that the standard they were at in the 3 years before Ronaldo left to where they were after he left gradually declined and they've not gotten close to that standard since. It's not a surprise, he was one of the best players in the world and they weren't able to replace him.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Sure I'm not discounting Ferguson leaving as not being a major factor. Though Ronaldo's exit was pretty much the end for the last great team Ferguson built. Fairly obvious that the standard they were at in the 3 years before Ronaldo left to where they were after he left gradually declined and they've not gotten close to that standard since. It's not a surprise, he was one of the best players in the world and they weren't able to replace him.

No it wasn't.

Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Scholes
Neville
Rooney gone to sh*ye
Giggs' ageing
etc etc

It also coincided with City''s emergence as well as the PL standards generally improving for every team.

Ronaldo was poor relatively speaking for his standards in that final season (at times)

You are better than that AIG

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

No it wasn't.

Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Scholes
Neville
Rooney gone to sh*ye

etc etc

It also coincided with City''s emergence as well as the PL standards generally improving

Obertan, Mame Biram Diouf, Owen and Valencia were the replacements. The decline in standard was the moment Ronaldo signed for Madrid.

Lukker-

The Talking Bread wrote: »

No it wasn't.

Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Scholes
Neville
Rooney gone to sh*ye

etc etc

It also coincided with City''s emergence as well as the PL standards generally improving

I think it may be more balanced overall but the quality at the top level has gotten worse and this is reflected in CL performance of English teams

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Obertan, Mame Biram Diouf, Owen and Valencia were the replacements. The decline in standard was the moment Ronaldo signed for Madrid.

Christ. Ignore all else. What about the replacements for the rest of the team.

Dirty Dingus McGee

eagle eye wrote: »

A year ago £30 million was a lot of money to pay for a player and it was a really bad signing if it didn't work out. This year it just doesn't seem that important at all. Sissoko imo has never been that good and it was no surprise to me that it didn't work out at Tottenham.

Pogba cost less than half the price of Neymar, sounds like United got a good deal.

Naymar going for just over twice what Pogba went for sounds like PSG got a good deal.

Billy86

Obertan - 3mn signing with 6 starts and 8 subs appearances.
Diouf - 1.5mn signing with 3 starts and 9 subs appearances.
Owen - free transfer largely on a "pay as you play" deal as a backup with 18 starts and 26 subs appearances.

That's in all competitions too, a chunk of each players appearances being in the Carling Cup.

Can't wait to hear how Neymar is a declining player and how a certain someone "knew all along" that it was the right time to get rid of him for the betterment of Barcelona, though! :pac:

Andersonisgod

Billy86 wrote: »

Obertan - 3mn signing with 6 starts and 8 subs appearances.
Diouf - 1.5mn signing with 3 starts and 9 subs appearances.
Owen - free transfer largely on a "pay as you play" deal as a backup with 18 starts and 26 subs appearances.

That's in all competitions too, a chunk of each players appearances being in the Carling Cup.

Can't wait to hear how Neymar is a declining player and how a certain someone "knew all along" that it was the right time to get rid of him for the betterment of Barcelona, though! :pac:

You've made my point for me.

pjohnson

Billy86 wrote: »

Obertan - 3mn signing with 6 starts and 8 subs appearances.
Diouf - 1.5mn signing with 3 starts and 9 subs appearances.
Owen - free transfer largely on a "pay as you play" deal as a backup with 18 starts and 26 subs appearances.

That's in all competitions too, a chunk of each players appearances being in the Carling Cup.

Can't wait to hear how Neymar is a declining player and how a certain someone "knew all along" that it was the right time to get rid of him for the betterment of Barcelona, though! :pac:

Ah its more hedging his bets. Its the "inferior league" line thats being used. He'll be careful not to say Neymar is declining, but he will write off every goal/performance as only happening because its an "easy" league.

Billy86

Andersonisgod wrote: »

You've made my point for me.

The point that they weren't ever direct replacements for first team players? You've a funny way of saying the opposite of what you mean, your head must be funny since "the future of Barcelona" packed up and left.

Billy86

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah its more hedging his bets. Its the "inferior league" line thats being used. He'll be careful not to say Neymar is declining, but he will write off every goal/performance as only happening because its an "easy" league.

Unless Neymar takes a small bit to adjust to the team or has a month or two out of form, then we'll see the narrative change as per usual, disregarding all that was said beforehand.

Andersonisgod

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah its more hedging his bets. Its the "inferior league" line thats being used. He'll be careful not to say Neymar is declining, but he will write off every goal/performance as only happening because its an "easy" league.

Do I think Neymar is declining? No. But he's chosen the easy option. Do I think moving to Paris where he will be more powerful than any coach or teammate is conducive to Neymar ever achieving his potential? Absolutely not. He will go off the rails without ever getting close to the level that say Ronaldinho reached before his partyboy lifestyle caught up with him.

pjohnson

Billy86 wrote: »

The point that they weren't ever direct replacements for first team players? You've a funny way of saying the opposite of what you mean, your head must be funny since "the future of Barcelona" packed up and left.

When he suggested Mame Diouf as a replacement for Gary Neville I had suspicions. Diouf and Obertan were signed as prospects and didnt work out. Similar to Barca who signed Kerrison, Affelay as prospects who didnt work out.

Andersonisgod

pjohnson wrote: »

When he suggested Mame Diouf as a replacement for Gary Neville I had suspicions. Diouf and Obertan were signed as prospects and didnt work out. Similar to Barca who signed Kerrison, Affelay as prospects who didnt work out.

Barca also signed the likes of Villa and Sanchez in that time. For Man Utd it was Valencia, Obertan, Diouf and Owen and a lot of the Ronaldo money going to the Glazers.

pjohnson

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Barca also signed the likes of Villa and Sanchez in that time. For Man Utd it was Valencia, Obertan, Diouf and Owen and a lot of the Ronaldo money going to the Glazers.

Barca also signed Dimitro Chigrinski, Alexander Hleb, Henrique...

Do you think cherry picking two successful Barca transfers and comparing them to poorer signings actually shows anything besides reflecting on you? United also signed good players in the same period you choose to ignore. Like you ignore the abject Barca failures :pac:

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Barca also signed the likes of Villa and Sanchez in that time. For Man Utd it was Valencia, Obertan, Diouf and Owen and a lot of the Ronaldo money going to the Glazers.

Isn't that Fergusons fault........

Lukker-

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Barca also signed the likes of Villa and Sanchez in that time. For Man Utd it was Valencia, Obertan, Diouf and Owen and a lot of the Ronaldo money going to the Glazers.

I think Rooney was Ronaldo's replacement. Valencia than replaced Rooney in a support role. It wasn't like for like but United changed their system after and Rooney was much more prolific after Ronaldo left.

TrustedApple

Add Valencia has turned out to be maybe one of the busy in the past 10 years.

Changed from a winger to a very good right back who all ways Gives 100% for utd

Will be looked at a under rated player for years to come just like park

Liam O

Valencia was great in the few seasons after Ronaldo left. Just because he became a cowardly player who slowly retreated into RB doesn't mean he wasn't a top quality winger for 2-3 seasons. Nani was there as well and tore it up for a couple of seasons. Rooney was at the level Neymar/Suarez are at now and there was still a world class defence.

Fergie took his eye off the ball in midfield but at that time still had Carrick, Scholes, a highly rated Anderson, Fletcher and a couple more around the squad to play there. They were still probably the 2nd best team in Europe the couple of seasons after Ronaldo left. The decline started with not buying replacements for the aging defenders and sub standard midfield in 2012-13, not giving Pogba a chance and calling Scholes back as a stop gap.

pjohnson

Tbf this isnt the place to discuss United but in general trying to write of a entire clubs transfer policy by cherry picking a few of the flops as evidence is so dense.

All clubs sign good players, all clubs sign bad players, all clubs sign youngsters who dont develop.

The Talking Bread

The 2 seasons after Ronaldo left they got further than Real in both. One they reached the final, the other they should have reached at least the semi but for that ridiculous Nani sending off.

They reached another final then and we all know that they were beaten by arguably one of the best assembled team's in football history in both finals, convincingly but hardly embarrassing to lose to that lot.

After that the old guard....Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Scholes all started to part way, Giggs and Rooney declining, Berbatov heading off, Fergus on stopped building for the future and then retiring leaving the club in a bit of a mess. They still reached the Quarter finals with Moyes (did they lose to Madrid?)

Ronaldos loss was huge but wasn't close to the main reason for the teams decline.

Personally I blame Ferguson for a lot. There, I said it.

yabadabado

Why do ye bother with that gob****e ?

Bounty Hunter

This conversation would be better off in the Neymar clusterF thread as it is a comparison between Utd when Ronaldo left and Barca now as Neymar is leaving....

F all to do with non Neymar related transfers.


So..... supposed Liverpool and Tottenham target midfielder Geoffrey Kondogbia has asked to leave inter apparently

martyos121

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

This conversation would be better off in the Neymar clusterF thread as it is a comparison between Utd when Ronaldo left and Barca now as Neymar is leaving....

F all to do with non Neymar related transfers.


So..... supposed Liverpool and Tottenham target midfielder Geoffrey Kondogbia has asked to leave inter apparently

Inter won't be too heartbroken with that, he was a bust of a signing.

brianregan09

Scored a savage OG the other day aswell

Ivefoundgod

No way are Spurs or Liverpool interested in Kondogbia? He is widely regarded as an embarrassment for Inter in Serie A, a woeful player totally out of his depth at that level. Would be stunned if he signed for any CL or even EL level team.

raze_them_all_

Do people actually take AIG comments seriously he is like the barca version of marca on boards, BArca the holy of holiest of teams, never dive, never tap players up, anyone who moves away from barcas quatari money is only interested in someone elses quatari money the leeches.


AIG is probably one of those full kit people

Andersonisgod

L'Equipe say a Barca deal for Dembele is close. Terms agreed for player, negotiations start at €100 million. Barca hope to present the player at the Gamper Trophy game on Monday. Potentially great buy.

After the killer blow, that's a big downgrade in talent

Andersonisgod

M!Ck^ wrote: »

After the killer blow, that's a big downgrade in talent

Literally will win a Balon D'or inside the next 8 years. He's a huge talent that fits Barca perfectly.

The Talking Bread

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Literally will win a Balon D'or inside the next 8 years. He's a huge talent that fits Barca perfectly.

Who is Literally? Did he come through the youths?

Liam McPoyle

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Literally will win a Balon D'or inside the next 8 years. He's a huge talent that fits Barca perfectly.

That after Neymar gets 7 in a row for heroics at PSG?

Andersonisgod

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Who is Literally? Did he come through the youths?

And you're better than getting cheap thanks off the likes of Mick.

Andersonisgod

Rod Munch wrote: »

That after Neymar gets 7 in a row for heroics at PSG?

He'll go further than Neymar. Much further.