Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

The Talking Bread

naughtb4 wrote: »

What makes Barcelona a bigger club than the English ones?

I'd have Liverpool United Barca Real and a few more as massive clubs

In the modern day urban dictionary definition of "bigger club", Barcelona are very much a "bigger club" than Liverpool.

I am not sure why you need to question this.

There is no quantitative definition but recent success, prestige, ability to attract players, expectations, headline grabbing etc. These being some of the many reasons.

That is no disrespect to Liverpool. Liverpool are a massive European club throughout the decades, especially in the 70s and 80s.

I guess I am more concentrated on the "team" element of it, rather than the club itself at the minute

ERG89

naughtb4 wrote:

What makes Barcelona a bigger club than the English ones?

Standards. Getting a top 4 spot and winning a domestic cup isn't good enough at Barca. When your competing directly with Real Madrid with those required levels that shows how high of a level they have been at.

Turtwig

I do really feel a player should be allowed move to whatever club he wants if they accept him. The notion of being locked into a employment is scary. It's acceptable now because sport is mostly humane and people rationalize the unethical nature away because of the wages top level payers receive but the principle is still largely wrong imo. It's similar to a company controlling your visa and passport so you cannot leave.

pjohnson

Turtwig wrote: »

I do really feel a player should be allowed move to whatever club he wants if they accept him. The notion of being locked into a employment is scary. It's acceptable now because sport is mostly humane and people rationalize the unethical nature away because of the wages top level payers receive but the principle is still largely wrong imo. It's similar to a company controlling your visa and passport so you cannot leave.

Then sign one year deals.

KaiserGunner

Turtwig wrote: »

I do really feel a player should be allowed move to whatever club he wants if they accept him. The notion of being locked into a employment is scary. It's acceptable now because sport is mostly humane and people rationalize the unethical nature away because of the wages top level payers receive but the principle is still largely wrong imo. It's similar to a company controlling your visa and passport so you cannot leave.

I'd swap places with any professional footballer. I'll gladly be locked into their employment. They can take my job and have freedom of movement if they like.

The Talking Bread

Turtwig wrote: »

I do really feel a player should be allowed move to whatever club he wants if they accept him. The notion of being locked into a employment is scary. It's acceptable now because sport is mostly humane and people rationalize the unethical nature away because of the wages top level payers receive but the principle is still largely wrong imo. It's similar to a company controlling your visa and passport so you cannot leave.

Well you can't just break a contract yourself without mutual agreement and not suffer repercussions.

Not how the law works.

Harry Palmr

pjohnson wrote: »

Then sign one year deals.

I'd be in favour of this, contracts are now purely notional in their legal effect. If a player downs tools or hands in a request it's because they want to leave, let them.

ThunbergsAreGo

ERG89 wrote: »

Standards. Getting a top 4 spot and winning a domestic cup isn't good enough at Barca. When your competing directly with Real Madrid with those required levels that shows how high of a level they have been at.

Just feel the Spanish two seem to be put above all others (Bayern Juve etc) as "bigger" (even Atlético)

I just don't think we would be having the same conversation if Bayern were in for him

ERG89

naughtb4 wrote:

So Madrid are a bigger club than Barcelona then?
Just feel the Spanish two seem to be put above all others (Bayern Juve etc) as "bigger".
I just don't think we would be having the same conversation if Bayern were in for him

Madrid have won 3 of the last 4 Champions leagues, they are ahead of Barca & every tram in the world now. Barca have won leagues in that time.
Juve can't stay on their level long term when they sell starters so regularly as that catches up eventually.
Bayern then are a top side too but with players aging and or retiring they have a big couple of years ahead. I think they'll regret not buying a winger to replace Ribery & to play when Robben is injured. James may not be what they are looking for in that.

irishman86

Mr.H wrote: »

Barcelona disagree with you

Going by there previous record of signing players im not sure i'd trust them
How much have they spent on defenders exactly in the last 10 years :pac:

irishman86

naughtb4 wrote: »

What makes Barcelona a bigger club than the English ones?

I'd have Liverpool United Barca Real and a few more as massive clubs

:rolleyes:
I love when the guys on the lash friday come on to post :pac:

irishman86

pjohnson wrote: »

Then sign one year deals.

In basketball a few of the stars do sign 1+1 with the second a player option
They do this as they arent stupid and know if they get injured they have a years contract
If Zlatan had something similar he would have a years contract at United while he recovered

irishman86

naughtb4 wrote: »

Just feel the Spanish two seem to be put above all others (Bayern Juve etc) as "bigger" (even Atlco)

I just don't think we would be having the same conversation if Bayern were in for him

Thats because they are far bigger than Atletico, christ Atletico were in the second division in last 15 years
Any player Real/Barca have wanted to sign they have and that includes the other massive clubs never mind Liverpool

clubberlang12

naughtb4 wrote: »

What makes Barcelona a bigger club than the English ones?

I'd have Liverpool United Barca Real and a few more as massive clubs

Are you implying Liverpool are in and around the same level as Barcelona??????

ThunbergsAreGo

irishman86 wrote: »

Thats because they are far bigger than Atletico, christ Atletico were in the second division in last 15 years
Any player Real/Barca have wanted to sign they have and that includes the other massive clubs never mind Liverpool

De Gea says hello

15 years ago Forest had won more European cups than Barcelona.

Clubs shouldn't simply have to let players move to "bigger clubs"

The Talking Bread

naughtb4 wrote: »

De Gea says hello

15 years ago Forest had won more European cups than Barcelona.

Clubs shouldn't simply have to let players move to "bigger clubs"

Of course they shouldn't ?? Who said they should?

ThunbergsAreGo

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Of course they shouldn't ?? Who said they should?

Sorry I had taken something up wrong.

I certainly first half performance has been frustrating me 😀

The Talking Bread

This is why, at the present time, there can be absolutely no argument as to who is a bigger club between Liverpool and Barca

http://sinceliverpoollastwonatrophy.co.uk/league-title/

ThunbergsAreGo

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This is why, at the present time, there can be absolutely no argument as to who is a bigger club between Liverpool and Barca

http://sinceliverpoollastwonatrophy.co.uk/league-title/

I guess we see big as different, I would class it as worldwide,which all of the teams mentioned are

Anyways I don't understand why the two Spanish teams are held above all others, but we'll just go round and round on this.

irishman86

naughtb4 wrote: »

De Gea says hello

15 years ago Forest had won more European cups than Barcelona.

Clubs shouldn't simply have to let players move to "bigger clubs"

So does Ronaldo :rolleyes:
De Gea would have signed aswell if not for fax machine buddy
Nobody said they should, i said Liverpool shouldnt sell Coutinho

Turtwig

pjohnson wrote: »

Then sign one year deals.

Not in the interest of any club to be offering one year deals to a player they covet if they can lock them down to their club on their terms.

The Talking Bread

Turtwig wrote: »

Not in the interest of any club to be offering one year deals to a player they covet if they can lock them down to their club on their terms.

I don't think the poor agents would be happy with it either!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Turtwig wrote: »

Not in the interest of any club to be offering one year deals to a player they covet if they can lock them down to their club on their terms.

I can't understand why some high quality player hasn't decided to sign short term contracts and constantly move on free transfers.Sign a 4 year contract at 20 to secure their financial future and from that point on have complete freedom of movement afterwards, it would be very beneficial for the player and clubs couldn't really do much to stop it if they are getting a player on a free transfer.

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

So does Ronaldo :rolleyes:
De Gea would have signed aswell if not for fax machine buddy
Nobody said they should, i said Liverpool shouldnt sell Coutinho

Any player they want to sign, they have you said. They haven't. Fax machine or no fax machine, you're wrong.

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Any player they want to sign, they have you said. They haven't. Fax machine or no fax machine, you're wrong.

But i'm not really
if they had wanted him this summer they would have got him
to deny this is hilarious

Brendan Flowers

Madrid didnt get Pogba last summer.
It looks like PSG will beat them to Mbappe this summer.

SureYWouldntYa

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Madrid didnt get Pogba last summer.
It looks like PSG will beat them to Mbappe this summer.

Losing out on Pogba didn't affect them too much this season

Brendan Flowers

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Losing out on Pogba didn't affect them too much this season

I never said otherwise. I was responding to the claim that Madrid have got any player they went after.

The Talking Bread

The Talking Bread wrote: »

This is why, at the present time, there can be absolutely no argument as to who is a bigger club between Liverpool and Barca

http://sinceliverpoollastwonatrophy.co.uk/league-title/

What sort of sad obsessed person creates something like this?

It is not even correct.

pjohnson

Turtwig wrote: »

Not in the interest of any club to be offering one year deals to a player they covet if they can lock them down to their club on their terms.

The player can insist. Aren't you the one who was complaining about how long term deals "trap" a player. Player can insist on short term deal or nothing. A contract takes two parties.

KERSPLAT!

irishman86 wrote: »

But i'm not really
if they had wanted him this summer they would have got him
to deny this is hilarious

Madrid wanted De Gea, Madrid didn't get De Gea.

You talk like you know football and more than most here, what makes it worse is I think you believe it yourself.

irishman86

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Madrid didnt get Pogba last summer.
It looks like PSG will beat them to Mbappe this summer.

They didnt get Pogba as they felt he wasnt worth the fee
I would presume its the same case with Mbappe
Its hilarious denying the fact that Real can sign any player if they want him bad enough, evidence of even Figo moving from Barcelona

LiamoSail

Real can attract any player, but hey have to pay for him. Clearly that was the reason DDG didn't go a few years back and probably Pogba too. They weren't prepared to meet United/Juve's valuation

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Madrid wanted De Gea, Madrid didn't get De Gea.

You talk like you know football and more than most here, what makes it worse is I think you believe it yourself.

I dont think i know more than football than anyone else
I do know that your argument is wrong as they still had him if they wanted him
it took a fax machine for it to fail, not the player or either clubs
I personally think AIG knows a lot more than me even if half the time he is trying to piss people off
I also think the talking bread knows quiet a lot and thats of the top of my head

citytillidie

Deleted User wrote: »

What sort of sad obsessed person creates something like this?

It is not even correct.

Yep had a look at the link and the meme is wrong lol but it is registered to a company in Surrey

The Talking Bread

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What sort of sad obsessed person creates something like this?

It is not even correct.

I haven't a clue.

It's a joke. There are plenty of silly jokes and gifs on the Internet that slag off clubs. No need to get so irritated or take it so seriously!

The Talking Bread

Also it seems to be about right. End of April 1990 is when they won it......

irishman86

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Also it seems to be about right. End of April 1990 is when they won it......

Well Kasper is 30 :pac:

Officer999

Paulinho signs for Barcelona from Guangzhou Evergrande for €40 million.

Strange one

TitianGerm

Officer999 wrote: »

Paulinho signs for Barcelona from Guangzhou Evergrande for €40 million.

Strange one

Did he not sign for Guangzhou in December for big money?

Officer999

emmetkenny wrote: »

Did he not sign for Guangzhou in December for big money?

June 2015 for £10 million

Agent Coulson

emmetkenny wrote: »

Did he not sign for Guangzhou in December for big money?

He's been there 2 years now.


Barca were ready to sign him during the summer they just need to raise the cash.

TitianGerm

Officer999 wrote: »

June 2015 for £10 million

Was there a Brazilian that signed for a different Chinese team for huge money then in the last 12 months that I'm mixing him up with?

martyos121

emmetkenny wrote: »

Was there a Brazilian that signed for a different Chinese team for huge money then in the last 12 months that I'm mixing him up with?

Oscar? Alex Teixeira?

rob316

The same paulinho that played for spurs? What a bizarre move.

Officer999

martyos121 wrote: »

Oscar? Alex Teixeira?

Hulk and Pato too

GLaDOS

Wasn't Paulinho a complete flop at Spurs?

That moves stinks to high heaven.

TitianGerm

martyos121 wrote: »

Oscar? Alex Teixeira?

Teixera. That's the one.

Trigger

rob316 wrote: »

The same paulinho that played for spurs? What a bizarre move.

Sources in Spain are saying that they moved for him again when Ander Herrera turned them down

Corholio

Wasn't there some talk that they were signing Paulinho in some way to help appease Neymar as they are very good friends.

Either way it's a strange one. I think he's a very decent player, despite his time at Spurs, but not one I would have seen Barca signing.