Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

MagicIRL

What are you not understanding?

I haven't once said a team shouldn't try to win the Champions League? Where are you getting that notion from?

I'm arguing that no premier league team looks like it'll win the CL anytime soon. Why don't more of them try to win the Europa League once they fail to progress through the Champions League?

Would it not help to lure players to a club when you can offer big wages and some sort of trophy?

"We're aiming to win the CL but falling short. We want you to join us and help us win. We're capable of beating European opposition and winning when push comes to shove, we won the Europa League last season. With you, we could win the CL this season."

Mars Bar

My favourite part of the Jese to Stoke transfer is this video

https://twitter.com/stokecity/status/897729685202886664

Turtwig

MagicIRL wrote: »

With no English team looking anywhere near winning the Champions League, I wonder why more don't focus on the Europa League?

Silverware is silverware, and you have to imagine winning something, instead of nothing, will help attract players over.

Culturally in England the Europa League is scoffed at. They basically have the attitude of if my club wanted to win that they could they're too busy focusing on the EFL cup.

Harry Palmr

Turtwig wrote: »

Culturally in England the Europa League is scoffed at. They basically have the attitude of if my club wanted to win that they could they're too busy focusing on the EFL cup.

Not now - Liverpool final, Man Utd final, Arsenal final? It's finally worth winning if you reach the later stages.

ERG89

Harry Palmr wrote:

Not now - Liverpool final, Man Utd final, Arsenal final? It's finally worth winning if you reach the later stages.

Bar Arsenal who are in this year, the other 2 needed it to win it based on poor league form as much as prestige.

The Talking Bread

MagicIRL wrote: »

What are you not understanding?

I haven't once said a team shouldn't try to win the Champions League? Where are you getting that notion from?

I'm arguing that no premier league team looks like it'll win the CL anytime soon. Why don't more of them try to win the Europa League once they fail to progress through the Champions League?

Would it not help to lure players to a club when you can offer big wages and some sort of trophy?

"We're aiming to win the CL but falling short. We want you to join us and help us win. We're capable of beating European opposition and winning when push comes to shove, we won the Europa League last season. With you, we could win the CL this season."

What teams are you referring to in that respect?

Which teams that got knocked out at CL group stage in 3rd didn't have a go at trying to win the Europa? Spurs put out their full team last season against Gent but lost not for lack of effort.

When City' chances of securing a spot last season were in the balance , Pep said "I think we’ll be able to qualify for the Champions League but, if we are not able to, we are going to adapt and play the Europa League,”

When City entered after being 3rd in their group they played full teams, hammering Porto but unluckily losing on away goal to Sporting.


Liverpool always give it a go and United and Chelsea have both won it in the last few years.

Money and ambition and chance to play in CL attract top players to PL, a Europa League trophy in the clubs cabinet is immaterial as most of the clubs are going to be able to attract the same type of players anyway.

eagle eye

GavRedKing wrote:

We've done well to get in Bakayoko, Rudiger and Morata but looking at the potential bench, injuries/suspensions permitting, it doesnt look great.

GavRedKing wrote:

Caballero Christensen Rudiger Cesc Willian Boga Batshauyi

GavRedKing wrote:

We probably need another 2 or 3 players with quality but we've struggled all summer to get transfers done for one reason or another.

GavRedKing wrote:

I also dont think we'll win the title, its been nearly a decade since it was retained and I cant see us bucking that trend this season and the CL, no hope either, we're far off the top 4 or 5 sides in europe, as are any of the English teams, IMO, City are the best equipped in that regard.

That bench is pretty good imo. Also where is Remy? And I'm sure money will be spent when Costa eventually goes.

The Talking Bread

eagle eye wrote: »

That bench is pretty good imo. Also where is Remy? And I'm sure money will be spent when Costa eventually goes.

If you take into account they have European football (unlike last season), inevitable injuries, suspensions during the season , their squad is weak to be challenging for a title.

They will probably get Ox, Drinkwater, (or maybe Krychowiak), and Soares and Rose (although the latter surely won't be sold) have all been cited. They could do with a CB and a support striker for Morata also

Its clear Conte doesn't want Remy

GavRedKing

eagle eye wrote: »

That bench is pretty good imo. Also where is Remy? And I'm sure money will be spent when Costa eventually goes.

Remys still knocking around, got some minutes in pre-season but I cant imagine he has a future at Chelsea, he'll probably be loaned, if we get rid of Costa and sign a 3rd CF, if he stays fit though, I'd keep him as 3rd choice.

The bench is good enough but if you take 2 of the starting XI out and another 1 or 2 from the bench, youre into trusting the youths to do the job, theres no real depth in the current Chelsea squad beyond the main 18, thats going to be an issue, even though Conte only reguarly used about 14/15 players last year, we wnt get away with it this time.

irishman86

City/United & Chelsea all have a chance based purely on talent to beat any team in the CL and would put it up against Bayern/Real/PSG
And Liverpool well, they might not have a very strong team but I would never back against them in the CL
Who exactly should they be afraid off
I agree teams should try win the EL if they are in it and it was clever to use the CL as a incentive to get all teams to play the strongest side they have available

The Talking Bread

If I was Arsenal I would try to give Sanchez a 2 year extension on his contract 200 to 250K a week with option to leave next season with a 100 million buy out/ release clause. They need to make sure they get top 4 and they also can't risk him going for nothing. Increasing his wages won't make a difference in long term.
And at least then he wont be able to leave for free.

It does seem that Sanchez is staying though.

Deise Vu

The Talking Bread wrote: »

If I was Arsenal I would try to give Sanchez a 2 year extension on his contract 200 to 250K a week with option to leave next season with a 100 million buy out/ release clause. They need to make sure they get top 4 and they also can't risk him going for nothing. Increasing his wages won't make a difference in long term.
And at least then he wont be able to leave for free.

It does seem that Sanchez is staying though.

I though Sanchez was already on that kind of dosh? In any case he would be insane to agree a relatively small increase in wages (for a PL player!) and agree a 100M buyout when he is 4 months away from being a free agent and basically entitled to get the transfer fee himself.

MisterAnarchy

Liverpool will push to include Ivan Rakitić in any deal with Barcelona if they are forced into allowing Philippe Coutinho to leave, claim reports originating from Spain today.
It is claimed that Reds’ boss Jürgen Klopp is interested in recruiting the 29-year-old Croatian midfielder to help soften the blow of Coutinho’s exit should it come to that.

Probably only a made up story ,surely Barcelona wouldn't be that daft or would they.

The Talking Bread

Deise Vu wrote: »

I though Sanchez was already on that kind of dosh? In any case he would be insane to agree a relatively small increase in wages (for a PL player!) and agree a 100M buyout when he is 4 months away from being a free agent and basically entitled to get the transfer fee himself.

He is on 140 K a week, as is Ozil.

200 to 250 K is not a small increase.

In fact some were mooting that Arsenal would be willing to offer him 280K if he signed a longer contract

Deise Vu

The Talking Bread wrote: »

He is on 140 K a week, as is Ozil.

200 to 250 K is not a small increase.

In fact some were mooting that Arsenal would be willing to offer him 280K if he signed a longer contract

It is, if in January you can say to Manchester City, I want 300K a week from next July and I will sign a contract now, but I want 10,20 or 30 million as a signing on fee now. City would probably consider that a bargain.

Quazzie

Deise Vu wrote: »

It is, if in January you can say to Manchester City, I want 300K a week from next July and I will sign a contract now, but I want 10,20 or 30 million as a signing on fee now. City would probably consider that a bargain.

He can only agree a contract with a team outside of England in January. He'll have to wait till June to negotiate with a team inside of England,

Turtwig

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Liverpool will push to include Ivan Rakitić in any deal with Barcelona if they are forced into allowing Philippe Coutinho to leave, claim reports originating from Spain today.
It is claimed that Reds’ boss Jürgen Klopp is interested in recruiting the 29-year-old Croatian midfielder to help soften the blow of Coutinho’s exit should it come to that.

Probably only a made up story ,surely Barcelona wouldn't be that daft or would they.

Never underestimate the ingenuity of fools.

The Talking Bread

If Wenger gets Ozil and Sanchez to sign extensions to their contracts, personally I have to say that is nearly the best bit of Summer business for any club.

If he doesn't manage to extend Sanchez' contract but keeps him until seasons end and gets top 4 it is a relatively good result also.

Arsenal aren't going to be able to attract anyone big enough to replace Sanchez this season at this stage and he may be the difference between them getting CL. So even if they get max 80 million for him (he is in his last year, so no club will pay more,) the money is useless if it means they have potentially lost out on the difference between getting top 4 and not getting Top 4.

The Talking Bread

Quazzie wrote: »

He can only agree a contract with a team outside of England in January. He'll have to wait till June to negotiate with a team inside of England,

I actually never knew that. Interesting info

ERG89

Quazzie wrote:

He can only agree a contract with a team outside of England in January. He'll have to wait till June to negotiate with a team inside of England,

There is a good chance he's already negotiated with others for next year anyway. Only they can't/won't announce it.

Turtwig

Quazzie wrote: »

He can only agree a contract with a team outside of England in January. He'll have to wait till June to negotiate with a team inside of England,

That's formal though. Clubs and players are shady as ever when it comes to transfer dealings outside of formal consent/agreement. Informal agreement and approaches will surely be sought out.

PhilipsR

Realistically his agent will already be having these conversations with European and English clubs alike. The 6 month rule makes no difference.

krustydoyle

Sky Sources: Man City interested in signing West Brom Defender Jonny Evans

The Talking Bread

Slow news day!

https://twitter.com/OfficalBenEvans/status/897853873964109824

ERG89

krustydoyle wrote:

Sky Sources: Man City interested in signing West Brom Defender Jonny Evans

Meant to be loaning Mangala to Inter (and subsidising his wages of course).
Inter are doing a loan swap with Valencia for Kondogbia & Cancelo.
There are 2 clubs who must regret a lot of their recent transfer business. Unlike city who can write things off like Nasri, Bony & Adebayor as if they didn't happen.

Jayop

Evans is a fine CB. His biggest problem was he was massively injury prone and when he came back from injury the first few games were littered with mistakes, but once he was up and running he was pretty good. The last two seasons with WBA have seen him play 30+ league games so maybe he's put that behind him. I don't remember too many glaring mistakes in that time either.

Ferris_Bueller

Matuidi to Juventus for €20m is a serious bit of business considering how much some other players have gone for this season.

irishman86

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Liverpool will push to include Ivan Rakitić in any deal with Barcelona if they are forced into allowing Philippe Coutinho to leave, claim reports originating from Spain today.
It is claimed that Reds’ boss Jürgen Klopp is interested in recruiting the 29-year-old Croatian midfielder to help soften the blow of Coutinho’s exit should it come to that.

Probably only a made up story ,surely Barcelona wouldn't be that daft or would they.

That would be a amazing move by Liverpool
Like you said surely Barcelona wouldnt be that daft

sheroman01

People seem to be shocked by Sigurdsons pricetag of 45 million. I find this a totally suitable price for a proven PL performer.

ERG89

sheroman01 wrote:

People seem to be shocked by Sigurdsons pricetag of 45 million. I find this a totally suitable price for a proven PL performer.

Will Jonny Evans be 45 million then since he's premier league proven?
:pac:

greendom

Gabriel to Valencia for 10million

sheroman01

ERG89 wrote: »

Will Jonny Evans be 45 million then since he's premier league proven?
:pac:

Ah here! :pac: I mean he gets you goals, assists, great on set pieces and works well for the team. I think he will be good value for money.

The Red Lad

Surprised none of the bigger teams went in for Siggy he's a top quality player. Funny how Barkley will probably go for 10/20 million more than him.

Osmosis Jones

The Red Lad wrote: »

Surprised none of the bigger teams went in for Siggy he's a top quality player. Funny how Barkley will probably go for 10/20 million more than him.

Can't see Barkley going for anymore than 25/30m tbh

TitianGerm

The Red Lad wrote: »

Surprised none of the bigger teams went in for Siggy he's a top quality player. Funny how Barkley will probably go for 10/20 million more than him.

Most of his contributions came from set pieces though didn't they? I think someone posted a good graph earlier in the thread.

Skylinehead

The Red Lad wrote: »

Surprised none of the bigger teams went in for Siggy he's a top quality player. Funny how Barkley will probably go for 10/20 million more than him.

Spurs did already. It didn't really work out. Bigger teams all have better players in that position.

Irish_rat

No Bale tonight, the rumour mill to go into overdrive

The Red Lad

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Can't see Barkley going for anymore than 25/30m tbh

He's English he definitely will go for more than that !:rolleyes:

wally79

The Red Lad wrote: »

He's English he definitely will go for more than that !:rolleyes:

Last year of contract he definitely won't

Arghus

sheroman01 wrote: »

People seem to be shocked by Sigurdsons pricetag of 45 million. I find this a totally suitable price for a proven PL performer.

Last summer it would have been a crazy price, but given the frankly ridiculous fees that are now the norm I don't think.Sigurdson is overpriced in the market. Whatever about Neymer, this is the summer of Kyle Walker costing fifty million pounds.

JaMarcusHustle

Reports this morning that Barkley needs surgery that will keep him out for 3 months.

GavRedKing

The fact that we're nearly 3 weeks into August and he had only 12 months left on his deal and nobody was in for him, tells me he should be staying with Everton, hes not good enough for the 6 teams above tem, and thats prior to his injury.

He's going to play second fiddle to Gylfi Sigurdsson anyway this year who is a much better player.

eagle eye

Imo he was the best centre back in the league last season and playing on the left side of a back three is the perfect position for him.

pjohnson

M!Ck^ wrote: »

He's going to play second fiddle to Gylfi Sigurdsson anyway this year who is a much better player.

3rd fiddle with Davy Klaasen ahead of him. He is utterly surplus to requirements.

LuckyLloyd

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Matuidi to Juventus for €20m is a serious bit of business considering how much some other players have gone for this season.

Looking at it from the Premiership perspective, and in the context of Walker and Siguurdson going for nearly £100m combined, the same types of players are going to the same types of clubs for the same fee ratios. All this additional money in the Premiership is failing to upset the European hierarchy. A club like Everton can't attract an elite player from the other European leagues, and are instead overpaying for cast offs from the top Prem teams (Rooney's wages) or the same old mid table players that were always available to them in the past (Siguurdson).

When those TV deals were announced, I expected an appreciable increase in the quality of the Prem from top to bottom, believing that players like Blase would be in play for the likes of Everton, West Brom, whatever. But all that money can't trump size and tradition.

Which makes it all kind of sad. Ever higher fees and wages for the same old players.

GavRedKing

Ya, its heart breaking when you're linked with Drinkwater for 40m and Juventus come in and get Matuidi done for around 20m.

Now, he mightnt fancy the league and lets be honest, Juventus right now are a better prospect than the English teams too and Turin isnt a bad place to spend your millions.

Quazzie

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya, its heart breaking when you're linked with Drinkwater for 40m and Juventus come in and get Matuidi done for around 20m.

Now, he mightnt fancy the league and lets be honest, Juventus right now are a better prospect than the English teams too and Turin isnt a bad place to spend your millions.

Drinkwater is homegrown, which Chelsea are severely lacking. Matuidi wouldn't help them solve that issue.

eh i dunno

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Looking at it from the Premiership perspective, and in the context of Walker and Siguurdson going for nearly £100m combined, the same types of players are going to the same types of clubs for the same fee ratios. All this additional money in the Premiership is failing to upset the European hierarchy. A club like Everton can't attract an elite player from the other European leagues, and are instead overpaying for cast offs from the top Prem teams (Rooney's wages) or the same old mid table players that were always available to them in the past (Siguurdson).

When those TV deals were announced, I expected an appreciable increase in the quality of the Prem from top to bottom, believing that players like Blase would be in play for the likes of Everton, West Brom, whatever. But all that money can't trump size and tradition.

Which makes it all kind of sad. Ever higher fees and wages for the same old players.

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

LuckyLloyd

eh i dunno wrote: »

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

:pac:

In neither case did the players not want to move. Indeed, indications in the VVD case are that he's apoplectic about not being allowed to move.

Nice angle on it though I guess.