Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

Gavlor

eh i dunno wrote: »

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

That's harsh, it's not a sideways step, more of a stepping stone to a big club. Pick up your league winners medal in November and then manufacture a move to a big club!

inforfun

Quazzie wrote: »

Drinkwater is homegrown, which Chelsea are severely lacking. Matuidi wouldn't help them solve that issue.

Maybe they should stop playing Adecco\manpower and keep some homegrown players themselves instead of having 37 players at other clubs.
Same goes for City by the way.

1st week in Holland had Vitesse - NAC.
No less than 9 players on loan from Chelsea and City were on the pitch at some time.

dr.kenneth noisewater

inforfun wrote: »

Quazzie wrote: »

Drinkwater is homegrown, which Chelsea are severely lacking. Matuidi wouldn't help them solve that issue.

Maybe they should stop playing Adecco\manpower and keep some homegrown players themselves instead of having 37 players at other clubs.
Same goes for City by the way.

1st week in Holland had Vitesse - NAC.
No less than 9 players on loan from Chelsea and City were on the pitch at some time.

How is it not more of an issue in the Dutch FA? Surely young Dutch players are losing out on playing because of all the loanees?
Isn't the max number of loanees you can play in EPL set at 2/3?

inforfun

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

How is it not more of an issue in the Dutch FA? Surely young Dutch players are losing out on playing because of all the loanees?
Isn't the max number of loanees you can play in EPL set at 2/3?

To be honest, we have bigger problems than NAC having 6 players on loan from City.
7 clubs on plastic is much more damaging.

But yes, there should be a limit on loanees, certainly from abroad.
It is getting ridiculous when PL clubs rob 15 year olds from Dutch clubs in order to loan them back a few years later.

inforfun

Sagura (Barca) in on Spanish tv: we are really close to signing Dembele and Coutinho, any minute now.
Watzke (BVB) when kicker asked about Dembele: Sagura must still be groggy from the defeats against Real.

ERG89

inforfun wrote:

1st week in Holland had Vitesse - NAC. No less than 9 players on loan from Chelsea and City were on the pitch at some time.

How many have a future at either club?
They'll probably be sold on as Pep & Conte have shown absolutely no interest in developing players.

Giovanni Simeone has joined Fiorentina from Genoa.

KaiserGunner

inforfun wrote: »

Maybe they should stop playing Adecco\manpower and keep some homegrown players themselves instead of having 37 players at other clubs.
Same goes for City by the way.

1st week in Holland had Vitesse - NAC.
No less than 9 players on loan from Chelsea and City were on the pitch at some time.

Must be tough for the fans of Vitesse and Nac knowing that their clubs are basically being used as farms for Man City and Chelsea.

The rumors are circulating that the bid for Coutinho is now 120 million.
More than likely spread around on the basis of the whooping Barca have taken off Madrid last night.

KERSPLAT!

inforfun wrote: »

Sagura (Barca) in on Spanish tv: we are really close to signing Dembele and Coutinho, any minute now.
Watzke (BVB) when kicker asked about Dembele: Sagura must still be groggy from the defeats against Real.

Belongs in the humour thread

Bounty Hunter

eh i dunno wrote: »

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

tbh I think they can attract both but securing a deal with their clubs is another matter. There is so much money involved with Premiership teams (and RB are loaded) that teams feel justified in saying no to them though.

So many clubs are asking for huge prices to part with their assets like Swansea with Sigurdson because they know how hard they are to replace (and in his case how important he may be to avoiding a relegation fight). However like in that case I'd say if Liverpool payed enough they'd get there men but perhaps in those cases the price really is just too high. If Barca did force their hand with a huge price for their player maybe they would too be willing to pay over the odds though.

Harry Palmr

eh i dunno wrote: »

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

Obvious troll is obvious! :pac: Both players would like to move, both clubs for very different reasons are refusing to sell, like Liverpool are with Coutinho and Barca. Money is king but that's true for the club that has the players registration as well as the potential buyer. Even Soton are rich enough to say no thank you.

inforfun

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Must be tough for the fans of Vitesse and Nac knowing that their clubs are basically being used as farms for Man City and Chelsea.

To be fait to Vitesse, they are getting back more to a club that has their own squad.
Less depending on what Chelsea sends them. Less guaranteed 1st team football for the ones that are sent over.

What happens at NAC is ridiculous but started only 2 years ago.
Latest addition to the Dutch league is some 23 year old Argentine bought by Man City and loaned out to PEC Zwolle for 2 years immediatly.
So when that deal is finished he is 25 and no one can tell me City bought him for the future of their own first team.

dr.kenneth noisewater

inforfun wrote: »

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

How is it not more of an issue in the Dutch FA? Surely young Dutch players are losing out on playing because of all the loanees?
Isn't the max number of loanees you can play in EPL set at 2/3?

To be honest, we have bigger problems than NAC having 6 players on loan from City.
7 clubs on plastic is much more damaging.

But yes, there should be a limit on loanees, certainly from abroad.
It is getting ridiculous when PL clubs rob 15 year olds from Dutch clubs in order to loan them back a few years later.

Maybe they need to miss out on qualifying for a few more international tournaments to get some sense!

inforfun

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Maybe they need to miss out on qualifying for a few more international tournaments to get some sense!

Well, they appointed some guy to the Dutch FA earlier this week who used to be president of Heracles, the club that all started this plastic nonsense in 2003.
And he is shareholder at Ten Cate, who produce plastic pitches.
So... there is that.

Not the thread for it but i could write a thesis about what is wrong with Dutch football and at the Dutch FA at the moment.
But hey... the stadiums are almost everywhere full, Ajax played the EL final (after what happened to be 4 draws that couldnt have gone better if they had been picking their opponents themselves) so everything is fantastic.

Sweden beat the French a while ago so now Holland will have to win in Paris in 2 weeks to still have a chance to qualify.
Too bad that your one but best defender is a bit of a twat and has been a grumpy teenager all summer and is now missing out on that match on august 31st.

Being a Feyenoord fan is really confusing nowadays. Things are so calm there right now and everywhere else it is a mess.
Usually the other way around

the whole year inn

inforfun wrote: »

To be fait to Vitesse, they are getting back more to a club that has their own squad.
Less depending on what Chelsea sends them. Less guaranteed 1st team football for the ones that are sent over.

What happens at NAC is ridiculous but started only 2 years ago.
Latest addition to the Dutch league is some 23 year old Argentine bought by Man City and loaned out to PEC Zwolle for 2 years immediatly.
So when that deal is finished he is 25 and no one can tell me City bought him for the future of their own first team.

It's business and why does it bother you so much.

inforfun

the whole year inn wrote: »

It's business and why does it bother you so much.

Because it reduces the only league i really care about to something like a development league for the PL
Because i would like to see the biggest Dutch talents in the Dutch league for a while before they piss off abroad and not see them robbed age 15 already.

I grew up seeing Feyenoord - Ajax in the Feyenoord stadium having Gullit, Rijkaard,Koeman, Van Basten and Cruijff on the pitch

Nowadays i can go and see Feyenoord - NAC and see 6 City players of 20 years and younger.

ThunbergsAreGo

M!Ck^ wrote: »

The rumors are circulating that the bid for Coutinho is now 120 million.
More than likely spread around on the basis of the whooping Barca have taken off Madrid last night.

And probably in installments over 120 years

ERG89

https://twitter.com/ODDSbible/status/898165768558391296?s=09

Paulinho with a hell of a first impression

Utopia Parkway

eh i dunno wrote: »

Strange transfer window alright when a once big club like Liverpool can't attract players from the likes of Southampton and RB Leipzig. Maybe keita and van djik only see Liverpool as a sideways move these days.

Except both players want to come. One has even gone on strike and handed in a transfer request. The clubs just don't want to sell for various reasons. Although I'm sure you know that already.

Jayop

Lol at least I could do four.

pjohnson

40m for Paulinho makes the 40m for Matic look a bargain.

The Talking Bread

pjohnson wrote: »

40m for Paulinho makes the 40m for Matic look a bargain.

40 million for Matic between 2 clubs fighting for same title in this market was a bargain regardless. Chelsea have already lost 3 points in a match Matic would have been built for while Matic was MOTM in a type of game United were drawing last season.
I know it is all hypothetical but those 2 scenarios are indicative of the importance Matic could have been for Chelsea this season if they retained him (in a squad which is lacking depth) and the influence his presence may be for United this season.

40 million is f*ck all in this market if it buys you such an advantage overturn with a rival team.

inforfun

Tuttomercatoweb has Hoedt moving from Lazio to Southampton.
If that is really happening, someone might actually take the wallet out for van Dijk

yabadabado

Is there any hope of Keita or VVD joining Pool? Anymore bids etc ?
Seems very strange that Pool haven't moved onto other targets already if there is no chance of getting those two.

ricero

yabadabado wrote: »

Is there any hope of Keita or VVD joining Pool? Anymore bids etc ?
Seems very strange that Pool haven't moved onto other targets already if there is no chance of getting those two.

James pearce who works for the liverpool echo mentioned today that lfc are looking at alternatives to keita. Hes fairly clued into the club so would trust his word.

Jean michael Seri who plays for nice was linked this week with a move there

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/AdamCrafton_/status/898323280842547201

"Costa vows never to return amid poential legal battle and fears Willian could be next on Conte's hit-list"

"Diego Costa defies Chelsea and flies to Madrid to force Atletico transfer" :The Telegraph.

Willian has been brilliant for Chelsea over the least season and a bit. Would be mental to force him out.

Harry Palmr

Costa really has gone full Tevez

Lukker-

He's lost the plot, he seems to think he's Pablo Escobar on the run or something.

He wanted it one way in January, when he tried to force an exit. He's been granted permission to leave now and his feelings are hurt.

Informing him via text wasn't the right thing to do by Conte, but Conte is just treating him with the same respect he was shown.

The league will miss him, I doubt many fans or other clubs will thought, but it was certainly a more interesting place while he was here.

GavRedKing

Lukker- wrote: »

He's lost the plot, he seems to think he's Pablo Escobar on the run or something.

He wanted it one way in January, when he tried to force an exit. He's been granted permission to leave now and his feelings are hurt.

Informing him via text wasn't the right thing to do by Conte, but Conte is just treating him with the same respect he was shown.

The league will miss him, I doubt many fans or other clubs will thought, but it was certainly a more interesting place while he was here.

A panto villian like Suarez but not as controversial or nasty.

I suspect whenever he is sold he'll probably come back in the CL in the spring and knock us out.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool reject €125m bid for Coutinho from Barca.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/898554548066934785

MisterAnarchy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Liverpool reject €125m bid for Coutinho from Barca.

https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/898554548066934785

Barcelona have completely lost the plot .

40m for Paulinho and 125m for Coutinho ,cloud cuckoo land .
They seem intent to blow all the Neymar money much like Gaspart did after selling Figo.

duffman13

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Barcelona have completely lost the plot .

40m for Paulinho and 125m for Coutinho ,cloud cuckoo land .
They seem intent to blow all the Neymar money much like Gaspart did after selling Figo.

Let them, Liverpool and Dortmund should milk everything they can out of Barca. Huge pressure to buy and both clubs know this, they'll have to go big or go home in both instances. I liked watching Barca on the pitch but their perception of themselves is almost sickening in recent years.

Hulk Hands

Can't believe that's been rejected. That's an unbelievable return for him purely as a player at his best. Never mind that the Coutinho you'll be keeping may be unhappy and thus not himself. Would leave them 2 weeks to spend this window and set them up for future windows. Unless they're fully sure they can get more cash outta Barca

duffman13

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/40978395

Spurs have agreed a 42 million euro deal to sign Davinson Sanchez from Ajax. Slightly strange move, thought they were pretty well stocked at cb

beakerjoe

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Can't believe that's been rejected. That's an unbelievable return for him purely as a player at his best. Never mind that the Coutinho you'll be keeping may be unhappy and thus not himself. Would leave them 2 weeks to spend this window and set them up for future windows. Unless they're fully sure they can get more cash outta Barca

Well they dont need the money, they need the player much more. They wont be able to replace him so close to the window closing.

rob316

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Can't believe that's been rejected. That's an unbelievable return for him purely as a player at his best. Never mind that the Coutinho you'll be keeping may be unhappy and thus not himself. Would leave them 2 weeks to spend this window and set them up for future windows. Unless they're fully sure they can get more cash outta Barca

Liverpool already have £150m to spend on Keita and VVD who they cant get so far, another 125m is useless to them in this window. They know they'll stick get big money for him next year.

beakerjoe

duffman13 wrote: »

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/40978395

Spurs have agreed a 42 million euro deal to sign Davinson Sanchez from Ajax. Slightly strange move, thought they were pretty well stocked at cb

Im surprised Jose didnt pick him up after the EL final.

rossie1977

rob316 wrote: »

Liverpool already have £150m to spend on Keita and VVD who they cant get so far, another 125m is useless to them in this window. They know they'll stick get big money for him next year.

And knowing Barca it's likely 80 million plus add-ons paid in 10 yearly installments

MisterAnarchy

duffman13 wrote: »

Let them, Liverpool and Dortmund should milk everything they can out of Barca. Huge pressure to buy and both clubs know this, they'll have to go big or go home in both instances. I liked watching Barca on the pitch but their perception of themselves is almost sickening in recent years.

Coutinho is a good player but he is not in the top tier of players that would command such a big fee.
Its a crazy amount of money and will put huge pressure on both the club and player.

There are plenty of players that would be an alternative for a fraction of the price,Mahrez,Payet,Draxler,Sanchez,Douglas Costa.

GavRedKing

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Coutinho is a good player but he is not in the top tier of players that would command such a big fee.
Its a crazy amount of money and will put huge pressure on both the club and player.

There are plenty of players that would be an alternative for a fraction of the price,Mahrez,Payet,Draxler,Sanchez,Douglas Costa.

I genuinely assumed theyed go back after Sanchez given hes got 12 months on his deal and would be half of what Coutinho is being touted at.

I cant see them giving PSG any money at all for the foreseeable future after the Neymar deal so Draxler, Verratti (who they originally upset) will stay put or move elsewhere.

Actually on that Veratti deal, I'm surprised they never got it over the line and then about a month later, PSG snatch Neymar for over 200m, mad.

Mr.H

GavRedKing wrote:

A panto villian like Suarez but not as controversial or nasty.

Really????? He has been very controversial and nasty. Aside from deliberately trying to hurt players he has spat and flung snot at opposition.

rossie1977

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Coutinho is a good player but he is not in the top tier of players that would command such a big fee.
Its a crazy amount of money and will put huge pressure on both the club and player.

There are plenty of players that would be an alternative for a fraction of the price,Mahrez,Payet,Draxler,Sanchez,Douglas Costa.

Well he is commanding a big fee..

People last week here said Liverpool were crazy to reject 90 million yet here we are.

Mahrez is nowhere near as good
Payet doesn't want to play outside France
Draxler flopped at psg
Sanchez would demand far more in wages than Liverpool or indeed any European club would be willing to pay
And Costa is a nutcase, great player but a nutcase.

Father Hernandez

rossie1977 wrote: »

Well he is commanding a big fee..

People last week here said Liverpool were crazy to reject 90 million yet here we are.

Mahrez is nowhere near as good
Payet doesn't want to play outside France
Draxler flopped at psg
Sanchez would demand far more in wages than Liverpool or indeed any European club would be willing to pay
And Costa is a nutcase, great player but a nutcase.

Christian Eriksen for €100 million, Spurs would surely take it and he's just as good, if not better than Coutinho

dr.kenneth noisewater

duffman13 wrote: »

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/40978395

Spurs have agreed a 42 million euro deal to sign Davinson Sanchez from Ajax. Slightly strange move, thought they were pretty well stocked at cb

Crazy money for a guy who will be on the bench most week unless they move to 3 at the back

eh i dunno

West brom looking sakho for 30m

Mr.H

Father Hernandez wrote:

Christian Eriksen for €100 million, Spurs would surely take it and he's just as good, if not better than Coutinho

In your opinion. Nobody else's but still.....

duffman13

rossie1977 wrote: »

Well he is commanding a big fee..

People last week here said Liverpool were crazy to reject 90 million yet here we are.

Mahrez is nowhere near as good
Payet doesn't want to play outside France
Draxler flopped at psg
Sanchez would demand far more in wages than Liverpool or indeed any European club would be willing to pay
And Costa is a nutcase, great player but a nutcase.

Bit harsh, he's been there 6 months and scored 10 goals in 20 odd games. Not a bad return to be honest.

The OP meant Douglas Costa not Diego, I don't think Douglas is a lunatic?

I'd tend to agree on the other three. Mahrez and Payet are both living of one exceptional season really.

Harry Palmr

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Christian Eriksen for €100 million, Spurs would surely take it and he's just as good, if not better than Coutinho

Levi wouldn't sell Eriksen for 100m.

Father Hernandez

Mr.H wrote: »

In your opinion. Nobody else's but still.....

More PL goals & assists than Coutinho last 4 seasons. Less injury prone, exact same age.

Eriksen way more productive in his play. I'd take him over Coutinho.

€100 million would have Levy thinking a lot IMO