Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

Former Former

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I really don't think there's a chance they would. Maybe Murray at a stretch, but I don't see why.

This keeps coming round and round.

No-one would be picked. Not Sexton, not Murray, none of them.

irishbucsfan

Former Former wrote: »

This keeps coming round and round.

No-one would be picked. Not Sexton, not Murray, none of them.

I said before that I think it might happen if like 10 players all left at once. That's probably the only scenario where I can see it happening.

Former Former

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I said before that I think it might happen if like 10 players all left at once. That's probably the only scenario where I can see it happening.

Yeah, true.

And then Sexton vs Murray vs Furlong is the least of our problems.

thomond2006

mfceiling wrote: »

He's playing for Ulster. The best he could achieve is a gallant defeat in the league semi finals.

Somewhere Buer is raging he didn't think of this first.

joseywhales

I'm pretty excited about Aki, I think he could be vital come the world cup if he can add 10% handling and speed. Since BOD only SOB can consistently create line breaks against tier one defence outside of set plays. Is playing smart, having perfect defence,set plays and tactical kicking good enough to reach WC semi's and final(obviously they are a prerequisite)? I think similar to england, our attacking game needs a few more options. It's awesome that Aki is in the team to share that line breaking/offloading load, I wish Naholo had an irish granny.

Jump_In_Jack

joseywhales wrote: »

I'm pretty excited about Aki, I think he could be vital come the world cup if he can add 10% handling and speed. Since BOD only SOB can consistently create line breaks against tier one defence outside of set plays. Is playing smart, having perfect defence,set plays and tactical kicking good enough to reach WC semi's and final(obviously they are a prerequisite)? I think similar to england, our attacking game needs a few more options. It's awesome that Aki is in the team to share that line breaking/offloading load, I wish Naholo had an irish granny.

Naholo's youngest brother is highly rated and was bought in by NZ, could offer him more money to come here instead.

Edit: Waisake himself has paid for his brothers to move to NZ, in hopes they will repeat his success. Surprised France haven't already tried to sign him. Nothing to stop Ireland making an offer. They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

sydthebeat

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

That's a bit of an ignorant comment without reflection on the poverty of the village in Fiji where they come from.

Sangre

sydthebeat wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

That's a bit of an ignorant comment without reflection on the poverty of the village in Fiji where they come from.

That's a bit racist assuming they are poor just because they come from a poor village in Fiji.  A Fijian can be just as money grubbing as any person.

RichieRich89

I suspect the OP meant Nadolo. Some people seem to mix up Naholo and Nadolo for some reason.

prawnsambo

Sangre wrote: »

That's a bit racist assuming they are poor just because they come from a poor village in Fiji. A Fijian can be just as money grubbing as any person.

It's a matter of record that Waisake supports his parents and family from his own earnings.

Former Former

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

Does that make them any different to Zebo or Madigan?

Buer

RichieRich89 wrote:

I suspect the OP meant Nadolo. Some people seem to mix up Naholo and Nadolo for some reason.

Idiots.

sydthebeat

Sangre wrote: »

That's a bit racist assuming they are poor just because they come from a poor village in Fiji.  A Fijian can be just as money grubbing as any person.

I'm not assuming anything

1eg0a3xv7b82of

these are professional rugby players, every professional is cashing in by doing something they are good at.
sexton left because of a principle and he was right too, being fair a principle he quickly forgot when interviewed after zebo said he was off.
when it comes to salaries of course it is about the money but mostly its about respect.
the non centrally contracted players will want to be centrally contracted, the centrally contracted players will want the 2 marquee players salaries, and the 2 marquee players will always want to be the highest paid.
when it comes to negotiating players contracts, the problem is the irfu first have to match their own internal pay benchmarks and their is the nub of the problem.

Jump_In_Jack

sydthebeat wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

That's a bit of an ignorant comment without reflection on the poverty of the village in Fiji where they come from.

It's a factual comment.
Were I in their shoes no doubt I'd do the exact same.
If you read any interviews they have clearly stated as much.
They are Fijian but hope to play for New Zealand so they can make as much money as possible to support their family and go to good schools.
Playing for Fiji would be a fall back, not a first choice.
They could just as well have chosen France or Ireland, especially if more money was on offer.
Albeit, there would undoubtedly be more prestige in getting into the New Zealand team.

sydthebeat

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It's a factual comment.
Were I in their shoes no doubt I'd do the exact same.
If you read any interviews they have clearly stated as much.
They are Fijian but hope to play for New Zealand so they can make as much money as possible to support their family and go to good schools.
Playing for Fiji would be a fall back, not a first choice.
That could just as well have chosen France or Ireland, especially if more money was on offer.
Albeit, there would undoubtedly be more prestige in getting into the New Zealand team.

To say they clearly don't care about representing their country is plainly wrong though.

The lure of playing for their national team is not the same as it is here because its not the zenith of their rugby careers, especially if they have been playing in a different country since they were teenagers.

The biggest blight of international rugby is the rape of the Pacific Islands by other countries due to the economic chasm that's exists.
The most a rugby player in Fiji could earn at home is about €10 a year playing international sevens. A basic super rugby contract would be about ten times that. A marquee contract would be exponential of that.

Its actually with a sense of pride that the Fijians at home view their boys who represent teams like the all Blacks or France or Australia, as they know how hard they have to work to get there. There a no resentment for not representing Fiji in international fifteens.

Jump_In_Jack

Former Former wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

They clearly don't care about representing their home nation if they can cash in elswhere.

Does that make them any different to Zebo or Madigan?

Yes.

Jump_In_Jack

sydthebeat wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It's a factual comment.
Were I in their shoes no doubt I'd do the exact same.
If you read any interviews they have clearly stated as much.
They are Fijian but hope to play for New Zealand so they can make as much money as possible to support their family and go to good schools.
Playing for Fiji would be a fall back, not a first choice.
That could just as well have chosen France or Ireland, especially if more money was on offer.
Albeit, there would undoubtedly be more prestige in getting into the New Zealand team.

To say they clearly don't care about representing their country is plainly wrong though.

The lure of playing for their national team is not the same as it is here because its not the zenith of their rugby careers, especially if they have been playing in a different country since they were teenagers.

The biggest blight of international rugby is the rape of the Pacific Islands by other countries due to the economic chasm that's exists.
The most a rugby player in Fiji could earn at home is about €10 a year playing international sevens. A basic super rugby contract would be about ten times that. A marquee contract would be exponential of that.

Its actually with a sense of pride that the Fijians at home view their boys who represent teams like the all Blacks or France or Australia, as they know how hard they have to work to get there. There a no resentment for not representing Fiji in international fifteens.

The Naholos don't care about representing Fiji if they could be paid for playing for another country.
That's not plainly wrong.
It's a fact.
Like it or not.

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

The Naholos don't care about representing Fiji if they could be paid for playing for another country.
That's not plainly wrong.
It's a fact.
Like it or not.

Every day you learn something new.

Today I learned that caring is binary. You either care about something or you don't. For example, you cannot possibly care about your country but care about feeding your family more. You either CARE 100% or you CARE 0%.

And if you are somehow slightly unconvinced by this argument, then let me seal the deal by reminding you that this is a fact whether or not you like it, so there.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

The Naholos don't care about representing Fiji if they could be paid for playing for another country.
That's not plainly wrong.
It's a fact.
Like it or not.

Every day you learn something new.

Today I learned that caring is binary. You either care about something or you don't. For example, you cannot possibly care about your country but care about feeding your family more. You either CARE 100% or you CARE 0%.

And if you are somehow slightly unconvinced by this argument, then let me seal the deal by reminding you that this is a fact whether or not you like it, so there.

Oh good, semantics.
Replace "don't care about representing Fiji" with "will choose without compunction not to represent Fiji".

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Oh good, semantics.
Replace "don't care" with "will choose without compunction".

No, because even “without compunction” doesn’t make sense. You’re talking about the difference in making 6 figures v. making next to nothing. It’s a completely rational decision when you have a large family and your wage can pay the cost of living of an entire town.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Oh good, semantics.
Replace "don't care" with "will choose without compunction".

No, because even “without compunction” doesn’t make sense. You’re talking about the difference in making 6 figures v. making next to nothing. It’s a completely rational decision when you have a large family and your wage can pay the cost of living of an entire town.

What are you even complaining about?
All this is well known.

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What are you even complaining about?
All this is well known.

It doesn't look good when you basically have to fall back to saying "It's a fact" or "all of this is well known".

You're saying it's well known that they don't care about playing for their country. Which you cannot possibly know. Any islanders I've played with have been very proud of their heritage.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What are you even complaining about?
All this is well known.

It doesn't look good when you basically have to fall back to saying "It's a fact" or "all of this is well known".

You're saying it's well known that they don't care about playing for their country. Which you cannot possibly know. Any islanders I've played with have been very proud of their heritage.

All of the islanders you played with would have had no compunction about playing for another country if it set them up financially.
It's not a criticism.
It doesn't need to be sugar coated.
It is what it is.
Fact of life.

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

All of the islanders you played with would have had no compunction about playing for another country if it set them up financially.
It's not a criticism.
It doesn't need to be sugar coated.
It is what it is.
Fact of life.

I'd imagine they care about it deeply if they had to do it. As I do any of the guys who do it, including the guys who've done it for us. There's no way you don't feel guilty if you are standing there in another countries jersey facing off against your own. I have no idea why you think it's such a stone cold fact they don't feel any guilt about it.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

All of the islanders you played with would have had no compunction about playing for another country if it set them up financially.
It's not a criticism.
It doesn't need to be sugar coated.
It is what it is.
Fact of life.

I'd imagine they care about it deeply if they had to do it. As I do any of the guys who do it, including the guys who've done it for us. There's no way you don't feel guilty if you are standing there in another countries jersey facing off against your own. I have no idea why you think it's such a stone cold fact they don't feel any guilt about it.

Now you're the one bringing in judgements to your point.
Why do you assume they should feel guilt?
I don't.

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Now you're the one bringing in judgements to your point.
Why do you assume they should feel guilt?
I don't.

The vast majority of people grow up with desires of representing their country, and feel some association with them. It's a fact, it's just the way it is.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Now you're the one bringing in judgements to your point.
Why do you assume they should feel guilt?
I don't.

The vast majority of people grow up with desires of representing their country, and feel some association with them. It's a fact, it's just the way it is.

That's all true.
By the way, why do you assume they would feel guilt about looking after their family?

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

That's all true.
By the way, why do you assume they would feel guilt about looking after their family?

This is what is called an irrelevant conclusion.

They wouldn't be guilty about looking after their family at all.

Jump_In_Jack

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

That's all true.
By the way, why do you assume they would feel guilt about looking after their family?

This is what is called an irrelevant conclusion.

They wouldn't be guilty about looking after their family at all.

What would you call all the irrelevant scoldings about using the word "care" carelessly?

irishbucsfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What would you call all the irrelevant scoldings about using the word "care" carelessly?

You were the one who used the word care...

Anyway, doesn't seem to be any worthwhile point being made here so I'm out

pickarooney

This is the debating equivalent of fencing with sponges.

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

Neil3030

Deleted User wrote: »

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

Fair point. Well made.

tooManyChoices

Deleted User wrote: »

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

Sure O'Connell is just another one of those Irish starters that wouldn't be good enough to make the Leinster squad.

Team for the 6N:
1. Jordan Larmour
2. Jordan Larmour
3. Jordan Larmour
etc...

Burkie1203

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

That was a done deal before he even got on the plane to USA.

salmocab

Deleted User wrote: »

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

Ryan is old hat now, what we need is another savior.

D14Rugby

salmocab wrote: »

Ryan is old hat now, what we need is another savior.

I introduce to you the one, the only, Jordan Larmour

salmocab

D14Rugby wrote: »

I introduce to you the one, the only, Jordan Larmour

Ah stop he has been around for weeks at this stage

swiwi_

D14Rugby wrote: »

I introduce to you the one, the only, Jordan Larmour

Genuine Q, how do your pronounce his name?? If I was printing t-shirts with throwaway lines, would it be

1) I love Jordan L'amour?
2) or Jordan Llama - spitting image of Christian Cullen?
3) or Jordan Larmour - sponsored by Under Armour?

In any case, he looks a rare attacking talent, that was a Cullen-esque wee burst to set up that try for Leinster vs Dragons.

sydthebeat

swiwi_ wrote: »

Genuine Q, how do your pronounce his name?? If I was printing t-shirts with throwaway lines, would it be

1) I love Jordan L'amour?
2) or Jordan Llama - spitting image of Christian Cullen?
3) or Jordan Larmour - sponsored by Under Armour?

In any case, he looks a rare attacking talent, that was a Cullen-esque wee burst to set up that try for Leinster vs Dragons.

It doesn't matter cos you're gonna say it wrong anyway :P

Its 3) above BTW.

molloyjh

Deleted User wrote: »

Four caps into his international career Ryan is already better than O'Connell was at his peak

Sure it’s a well known fact.

molloyjh

L’amour is the new Tré-C.

pickarooney

It's 3i hombre

prawnsambo

tooManyChoices wrote: »

Sure O'Connell is just another one of those Irish starters that wouldn't be good enough to make the Leinster squad.

Team for the 6N:
1. Jordan Larmour
2. Jordan Larmour
3. Jordan Larmour
etc...

Never was a user name so apt.

thomond2006

molloyjh wrote: »

L’amour is the new Tré-C.

swiwi_

With a nod to Dean Martin

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh."

And for our Kiwi posters

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh bro."

swiwi_

swiwi_ wrote: »

With a nod to Dean Martin

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh."

And for our Kiwi posters

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh bro."

Is it nighttime where you are and are you drunk?

vienne86

Anyone else trying to renew their Irish Rugby supporters club membership? Website is rubbish, and I can't log in with Chrome......got there eventually with Explorer.....which I haven't used for years.

pickarooney

swiwi_ wrote: »

With a nod to Dean Martin

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh."

And for our Kiwi posters

"When a man steps your man like Christian Cullen
That's Larmour, eh bro."

Just like Cullen (Christian)
Like this it will scan
That's Larmour, hey

He makes graceful Rob Kearney
Look like Mary Harney
That's Larmour, hey