Oxford student who stabbed boyfriend could avoid jail cos of her future job

the_syco

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent/ar-BBBdhJd?li=AAadgLE

The offence would normally carry a custodial sentence, but Judge Ian Pringle suggested she may be spared jail because of her academic record.

He said: "It seems to me that if this was a one-off, a complete one-off, to prevent this extraordinary, able young lady from not following her long-held desire to enter the profession she wishes to, would be a sentence which would be too severe.

The court heard how her boyfriend, who has not been identified, called Woodward's mum on Skype, and his then-girlfriend punched him in the face before picking up a bread knife and stabbing him in the leg.

There's getting off light, and there's getting off scot-free. What a load of bo||ox; the b|tch has issues, and is getting away after stabbing someone.

eeguy

the_syco wrote: »

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent/ar-BBBdhJd?li=AAadgLE

There's getting off light, and there's getting off scot-free. What a load of bo||ox; the b|tch has issues, and is getting away after stabbing someone.

Very troubled life
Drug addict
Stabbed boyfriend

Future heart surgeon

Can you work in the medical field if you're a drug addict?
Hasn't she broken the hippocratic oath?
Since her name is plastered all over the internet won't people know just by googling her?

RayM

eeguy wrote: »

Can you work in the medical field if you're a drug addict?

I don't see why not.

diomed

Future surgeon? She has made a start. Good knife work.

Canis Lupus

eeguy wrote: »

Very troubled life
Drug addict
Stabbed boyfriend

Future heart surgeon

Can you work in the medical field if you're a drug addict?
Hasn't she broken the hippocratic oath?
Since her name is plastered all over the internet won't people know just by googling her?

She still has a conviction and that should prevent her from being a surgeon or at least the article I read seemed to suggest this.

I don't really see the issue in giving her a chance tbh if she has turned herself about.

Junkyard Tom

This is precisely why we need more women in the judiciary.

Donald Trump

the_syco wrote: »

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent/ar-BBBdhJd?li=AAadgLE

The offence would normally carry a custodial sentence, but Judge Ian Pringle suggested she may be spared jail because of her academic record.

He said: "It seems to me that if this was a one-off, a complete one-off, to prevent this extraordinary, able young lady from not following her long-held desire to enter the profession she wishes to, would be a sentence which would be too severe.

The court heard how her boyfriend, who has not been identified, called Woodward's mum on Skype, and his then-girlfriend punched him in the face before picking up a bread knife and stabbing him in the leg.

There's getting off light, and there's getting off scot-free. What a load of bo||ox; the b|tch has issues, and is getting away after stabbing someone.

Maybe she's hot deserves a second chance.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eeguy wrote: »

Very troubled life
Drug addict
Stabbed boyfriend

Future heart surgeon

Can you work in the medical field if you're a drug addict?
Hasn't she broken the hippocratic oath?
Since her name is plastered all over the internet won't people know just by googling her?

Didn't read anything about her being 'addicted'...? In any case, even if she is/was, addiction is not permanent.

Donal55

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is precisely why we need more women in the judiciary.

....and as head of the police force.
.....and as minister's for Justice.


Oops.

Jawgap

Donal55 wrote: »

....and as head of the police force.
.....and as minister's for Justice.


Oops.

Isn't the Chief Justice a woman too?

pjohnson

Yeah she was just fighting the patriachy. This generations answer to Mandela.

Like 90% of females in court she had the "abused by ex-boyfriend" defence.

Ulysses Gaze

#GenderSentencingGap

FTA69

Not normally one for whataboutery but if it was a man stabbing his girlfriend he'd be vilified without question and used as an example by some feminists about the prevalence of domestic violence against women.

Baron Kurtz

Mr Pringle:)

biscuithead

There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

Yes she knifed her boyfriend in the leg. I'm not condoning that. What are the full facts of the case? Was she mentally unsound at the time? Hormonal? Was he ever abusive to her? etc. etc.

biscuithead

FTA69 wrote: »

Not normally one for whataboutery but if it was a man stabbing his girlfriend he'd be vilified without question and used as an example by some feminists about the prevalence of domestic violence against women.

Why, when a valid comparison is made, it's called "whataboutery"?

What is this stupid buzzword?

Is that a new smear term to dismiss someone who exposes valid and undeniable double-standards?

Ulysses Gaze

biscuithead wrote: »

There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

Yes she knifed her boyfriend in the leg. I'm not condoning that. What are the full facts of the case? Was she mentally unsound at the time? Hormonal? Was he ever abusive to her? etc. etc.

Do you think a man would get away without a custodial sentence if he argued the above?

biscuithead

Donal55 wrote: »

....and as head of the police force.
.....and as minister's for Justice.


Oops.

Is the police force part of the judiciary?

biscuithead

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Do you think a man would get away without a custodial sentence if he argued the above?

I'm sure there are plenty of cases where a man avoided a custodial sentence on the grounds of diminished responsibility, mental instability, self defence, if you care to search for them.

Strong Life in Dublin

biscuithead wrote: »

There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

Yes she knifed her boyfriend in the leg. I'm not condoning that. What are the full facts of the case? Was she mentally unsound at the time? Hormonal? Was he ever abusive to her? etc. etc.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, a violent attack should definitely revive jail time. We are not talking about someone getting wiht drugs, going to jail and having their life ruined over it.

jeanjolie

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, a violent attack should definitely revive jail time. We are not talking about someone getting wiht drugs, going to jail and having their life ruined over it.

Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

Dravokivich

jeanjolie wrote: »

Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

He fella was an aspiring sprinter. No good with a limp now is he. :rolleyes:

ahnowbrowncow

jeanjolie wrote: »

Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

She's too tall for you anyway.

BattleCorp

jeanjolie wrote: »

Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

:rolleyes:


Ah yeah, she looks attractive and intelligent, let her away with it, sure why not.

Lux23

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is precisely why we need more women in the judiciary.

It is awfully sexist but so many older gents see a young, pretty face and they melt.

blue note

This is just a repeat of the Brock Turner case. This girl would be better off in prison compared to the abuse she's about to get from social media and protesters about the leniency of this case. I expect by the end of the day my facebook feed will contain nothing but people who "can't even" because they can't stop thinking about all the assault victims and the message this sends out to them. Want to assault people? If you're extraordinary you can!

Lux23

FTA69 wrote: »

Not normally one for whataboutery but if it was a man stabbing his girlfriend he'd be vilified without question and used as an example by some feminists about the prevalence of domestic violence against women.

And is this not exactly what men in this thread are doing. They are perfectly within their rights to, so what is the problem?

TerrorFirmer

biscuithead wrote: »

There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

Carlos Orange

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

This is precisely why we need more women in the judiciary.

I'm not sure that would make much difference. She likely would get privileged treatment just for a different reason if there was a female judge.

Korvanica

Isn't this what they call a "Pussy Pass" ?

BattleCorp

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

It's a slippery slope when people start getting preferential treatment from the courts.

Lux23

Lux23 wrote: »

And is this not exactly what men in this thread are doing. They are perfectly within their rights to, so what is the problem?

Yes, but in this case it's a valid an accurate argument.

Dravokivich

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

Justice wears a blindfold to discourage the very thing that happened in this case.

pickarooney

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

In this particular case, it seems logical that a judge might consider avoiding a custodial sentence as the return to society benefits that wider society.

Not condoning her behavior at all but there is a wider picture in this very particular context.

Highly specialised surgeons are invaluable. It's only natural that such a person would get preferential treatment over a 'normal' person, that's the truth of it really.

If they don't put the 100+ conviction scrotes in prison and won't lock up the leg stabbers with potential, who exactly is filling the gaols?

jeanjolie

BattleCorp wrote: »

:rolleyes:


Ah yeah, she looks attractive and intelligent, let her away with it, sure why not.

By the way, I genuinely mean this...not just joking.

If I was on a jury that decided on her fate, I would vote not guilty.

blue note

jeanjolie wrote:

If I was on a jury that decided on her fate, I would vote not guilty.

Why?

Yourself isit

jeanjolie wrote: »

Pointless...she won't learn from it. What good will putting her in jail do?

Plus, I think she looks attractive and intelligent. Why in Gods name would anyone want to put her behind bars and destroy potential?

So we should only jail the unattractive and stupid?

I always thought that that line in Billy Joel's song was bollocks. Apparantly not.

Hector Savage

This will come back to haunt whatever hospital hires her.

jeanjolie

blue note wrote: »

Why?

She has potential and honestly she didn't actually kill anyone. If she did, then my tone would be quite different but it was only assault and she is not a repeat offender.

tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.

Yourself isit

biscuithead wrote: »

There was another thread where people were clamouring for prison inmates to be worked half to death rather than sitting on their arses playing PS4 or whatever. The logic was that they should be "productive". These useless layabouts should be learning skills and providing a valuable service through their labour.

Then we have similar people on here who are clamouring to have an aspiring surgeon thrown in jail and a would-be career as a medical professional in society destroyed.

Yes, let's kill a career of 40 years as a surgeon in favour of a career in the pen digging ditches. When she gets out she can be a barmaid.

Yes she knifed her boyfriend in the leg. I'm not condoning that. What are the full facts of the case? Was she mentally unsound at the time? Hormonal? Was he ever abusive to her? etc. etc.

The facts of the case are in the link. She would have got a custodial sentence (possibly suspended) except she's purdy

Yourself isit

jeanjolie wrote: »

She has potential and honestly she didn't actually kill anyone. If she did, then my tone would be quite different but it was only assault and she is not a repeat offender.

tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.

Your job were you on the jury is to decide the case on the facts, not emotion or class bias.

jeanjolie

Yourself isit wrote: »

Your job as the jury is to decide the case on the facts, not emotion or class bias.

Well that's my own interpretation of morality and If I'm ever asked to serve on jury duty, I would do the same thing.

please helpThank YOU

the_syco wrote: »

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent/ar-BBBdhJd?li=AAadgLE



There's getting off light, and there's getting off scot-free. What a load of bo||ox; the b|tch has issues, and is getting away after stabbing someone.

Lavinia Woodward if she was in Ireland. The same thing would happen here. there is one law for the rich and one law for the poor. if you come from `Privileged parents and a posh part of Dublin,Cork,Limerick Galway the, Law is rigged in favour of the rich/wealth.:mad:

TallGlass

What type of drug is she addict to?

Carlos Orange

jeanjolie wrote: »

tbh it wouldn't be much different than a man; if you had a young relatively innocent looking guy who was polite, nice, friendly but had assaulted once, then I would do the same thing.

Courts shouldn't care about whether someone 'looks innocent'. They should care about whether they were found innocent.

Yourself isit

jeanjolie wrote: »

Well that's my own interpretation of morality and If I'm ever asked to serve on jury duty, I would do the same thing.

Then you possiblywould be kicked off the jury and a retrial might take place.

It's not that hard. The question for you isn't sentencing. The judge can, as we see, decide to not sentence severely. The question for the jurist is guilt based on the facts.

please helpThank YOU

Dravokivich wrote: »

Justice wears a blindfold to discourage the very thing that happened in this case.

There is no justice in any of the Irish Courts there are just full of Man made unjust laws. ` Justice` is the next life.

Outlaw Pete

Nothing new really.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html?

Or, if you'd like that in video form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

please helpThank YOU

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nothing new really.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html?

Or, if you'd like that in video form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

DISGUSTING Video but True.:mad:

RDM_83 again

To those saying that because of her potentially becoming a doctor she deserves not to get a conviction consider that.
She is young but not that young 24 isn't troubled 18 year old territory.
She has proven she is erratic and unstable in periods of high stress and heightened emotions, if she becomes a trauma surgeon what sort of situations do you think she is going to be exposed too? She is a "drug addict" and one for whom drugs make her violent, is it safe for her to be around large amounts of prescribed drugs.
As a further point to this, the apparent abuse happened in a previous relationship, she didn't take it out on that partner, she took it out on a completely innocent man, say she is working in the caring professions and she has to deal with a convicted domestic abuser, whats her reaction going to be.

suicide_circus

An example of women not being held to the same standards as men