Homophobia still alive in modern Ireland

Annasopra

I think sometimes there can be a perception that homophobia doesn't exist anymore here in this country since May 23rd 2015.

It does. The george was vandalised last night

https://lovindublin.com/news/pic-the-george-nightclub-got-horrifically-vandalised-last-night

pilly

It's a couple of scumbags that did that. Doesn't suggest that homophobia is rampant.

Professor Moriarty

pilly wrote: »

It's a couple of scumbags that did that. Doesn't suggest that homophobia is rampant.

It's homophobia nonetheless.

mikemac2

Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building

wakka12

I don't think anyone said there was no homophobia anymore
And one or group of vandals shouldn't take away from the progress thats clearly been made since then
Still sad to see. But Im honestly surprised this has never occurred before, at least to my knowledge ,or has it?

wakka12

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's homophobia nonetheless.

yes , it is. but as another user pointed out it is not a sign that homophobia was nt rampant. I don't think anyones trying to dispute whether its a homophobic action

duffman13

There will always be a cross section of society that is racist or homophobic. I don't think anyone believes homophobia is dead in Ireland, same with racism, agism and numerous other things that make people different.

Grayditch

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building

Probabay because it's illegal hate speech. Strange thing to be concerned about, who cleans it.

Professor Moriarty

wakka12 wrote: »

yes , it is. but as another user pointed out it is not a sign that homophobia was nt rampant. I don't think anyones trying to dispute whether its a homophobic action

I can't see any posts that claim it is 'rampant'.

wakka12

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't see any posts that claim it is 'rampant'.

I was just saying it in agreement with post 2. Lots of people's reactions around times like this is to think that homophobia /racism is rising/rampant and I think it couldn't be further from the truth in this instance

gizmo81

The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think sometimes there can be a perception that homophobia doesn't exist anymore here in this country since May 23rd 2015.

It does. The george was vandalised last night

https://lovindublin.com/news/pic-the-george-nightclub-got-horrifically-vandalised-last-night

Annasopra

Where did I say homophobia is rampant?

neonsofa

gizmo81 wrote: »

The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.

This just gave me the impression that it was kids. Similar to the cars being vandalised with ISIS etc recently. They just choose controversial phrases. Kids in my school were always drawing hash leaves and swastikas. Not that it justifies it at all.

pilly

Joeytheparrot wrote:

Where did I say homophobia is rampant?

No you didn't, I apologise I perhaps shouldn't have used this word.

I just don't like people to pick a random incident like that and use it to say homophobia is alive and well.

If I'm honest it will always be there no matter what changes. I would just feel it's a small minority now.

infogiver

duffman13 wrote: »

There will always be a cross section of society that is racist or homophobic. I don't think anyone believes homophobia is dead in Ireland, same with racism, agism and numerous other things that make people different.

This is it. There will always be a section of society who finds
1. Old people
2.disabled people
3. Different colour skin
4. Different sexual orientation
5. Different religion
6. Different political outlook
7. Young people
Objectionable, and feels the need to attack that group.
It's mostly a fear that that group will in some way attack them or get power over them.
Lots of the minorities above feel persecuted and none of them can claim to have special victim status.

Annasopra

infogiver wrote: »

This is it. There will always be a section of society who finds
1. Old people
2.disabled people
3. Different colour skin
4. Different sexual orientation
5. Different religion
6. Different political outlook
7. Young people
Objectionable, and feels the need to attack that group.
It's mostly a fear that that group will in some way attack them or get power over them.
Lots of the minorities above feel persecuted and none of them can claim to have special victim status.

When people are attacked specifically because of their identity they are victims.

One eyed Jack

The 80's called, they want their grafitti back :pac:

Then again, the George itself is a throwback to the 80's and is out of place in modern Ireland, so there's that.

Phonicks

How did they get the text size to fit so perfectly??

gizmo81

Out of curiosity, why is the George out of place in 'Modern Ireland'?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The 80's called, they want their grafitti back :pac:

Then again, the George itself is a throwback to the 80's and is out of place in modern Ireland, so there's that.

GarIT

gizmo81 wrote: »

The use of the Nazi symbol is particularly threatening.

I think the Nazi symbol makes it less threatening. Someone who was actually going to do anything would use the Nazi symbol. Whoever did this was just looking to cause the most offence they could by going for shock value just to get attention or have a laugh. Clearly scumbags but clearly not a threat to anyone.

CeilingFly

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why are Dublin City council cleaning it? It's a private business which is trading , not an abandoned building

All businesses within the city area pay into a BID fund. This in turn pays for immediate cleaning of graffiti within the area.

The council operate the cleaning service on behalf of the BID group and charge them accordingly.

gizmo81

I believe that when Gay men were a specific target of the Nazi Regime that the use was intentional and deliberate, whether for shock or whatever thousands of gay men died looking at that symbol.

GarIT wrote: »

I think the Nazi symbol makes it less threatening. Someone who was actually going to do anything would use the Nazi symbol. Whoever did this was just looking to cause the most offence they could by going for shock value just to get attention or have a laugh. Clearly scumbags but clearly not a threat to anyone.

One eyed Jack

gizmo81 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, why is the George out of place in 'Modern Ireland'?

Because it's a dive, that's why.

Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.

GarIT

gizmo81 wrote: »

I believe that when Gay men were a specific target of the Nazi Regime that the use was intentional and deliberate, whether for shock or whatever thousands of gay men died looking at that symbol.

I completely understand your point. I don't think it was an actual Nazi or someone that supports them. There can't be more than a small few Nazis in Ireland, and I think they would be lying low, a real Nazi wouldn't be reckless enough to risk getting caught doing graffiti.

Anything is possible but I think it's much more probable that someone was **** faced and thought they could show off and give their mates a bit of a laugh.

gizmo81

I don't even know what this means. But thanks.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because it's a dive, that's why.

Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.

Erik Shin

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Where did I say homophobia is rampant?

You did say that there's a perception that homophobia doesn't exist in Ireland anymore.... couldn't think of a single person who would agree with that statement

tayto lover

Overreaction. Should be ignored.

A couple of uneducated louts seeking a reaction.

Cloudio9

The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.

Professor Moriarty

Cloudio9 wrote: »

The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.

So it was the gays wot done it? Knew it.

tayto lover

Cloudio9 wrote: »

The graffiti is so err...straight, all letters the same size and between the lines, avoiding the windows that this feels like a stunt to me.

Reminds me of the white racist in the US who painted "Blacks rule" on his own driveway to claim he was a victim of racism.

You saying trade was down and this is just to fill the pub?

neonsofa

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because it's a dive, that's why.

Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.

Aw i love it much like I'd love supermacs or somewhere, hardly the pinnacle of fine dining but love it for what it is kinda thing.

Elemonator

homophobia wasn't just going to die after the referendum. this happens in all civilised countries, everywhere has "dregs of society". fact of the matter is this is quite restrained, there is gay people being chased out a certain eastern county as we speak.

Erik Shin

Elemonator wrote: »

homophobia wasn't just going to die after the referendum. this happens in all civilised countries, everywhere has "dregs of society". fact of the matter is this is quite restrained, there is gay people being chased out a certain eastern county as we speak.

Carlow?

gizmo81

I moved to Dublin knowing no one a decade ago.

I used to go to the George by myself and sit up at the bar like a shy little hedgehog.

I met some wonderful people in there and though i haven't been in there in 2 years I still think of the friendliness of Cecil, King, Sophie, Fran, Ger and lots more I'm leaving out. I'm sure the staff are shook by this.

A building is bricks and mortar the people make it and I'm happy to say in my 20's I met some lovely people staff and customers there.

infogiver

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

When people are attacked specifically because of their identity they are victims.

The point is, no particular group can claim to be any more victimised then any other.
Actually my own idea is that currently elderly people living alone in rural Ireland have it pretty bad between being under threat from marauding traveller gangs and being treated like nuisances by the health service, and no one really cares.

AllForIt

infogiver wrote: »

The point is, no particular group can claim to be any more victimised then any other.
Actually my own idea is that currently elderly people living alone in rural Ireland have it pretty bad between being under threat from marauding traveller gangs and being treated like nuisances by the health service, and no one really cares.

That's hilarious that is.

infogiver

AllForIt wrote: »

That's hilarious that is.

Old people terrorised in their homes and put in a corner to die in the hospital is hilarious?

Bebopclown

I read that whoever did it has been caught on CCTV.

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because it's a dive, that's why.

Personal opinion of the place itself, not it's patrons. Grand if you're into living what Ireland was like in the 80's, if nostalgia is your thing, but the 80's night life isn't really a thing in Ireland any more.

It's not exactly a swanky joint but I think that's part of its appeal. No bells or whistles but there are plenty of pubs that provide that if you want. The George is a great spot regardless.

Cloudio9

tayto lover wrote: »

You saying trade was down and this is just to fill the pub?

There's just something odd about it that doesn't feel like genuine graffiti.

I was half expecting to hear a film production company clear up the confusion by saying it was being used for a film set.

Prisoner6409

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's homophobia nonetheless.

How do you come to that conclusion. Is it your contention that any crime or act of vandalism against a person from the gay community is homophobic. While I do agree that unfortunately homophobia along with racism, ageism and a good few other ism's are indeed alive and well in Ireland I don't think it helps to shout out homophobia at every instance. Education is the way forward but that takes time as it is really only when the kids being educated grow and influence society in a positive way. Also some of the worst kind of prejudice is practised within the gay community, the so called butch type against the so call effeminate. Riyadh Khalaf hosts a very good program on the bbc iplayer regarding this, well worth a watch.

suicide_circus

I know it's not nice but it's so poorly executed it almost looks like a pisstake..."homofags"?

Mr.Frame

No one knows exactly who did this.It was apparently done at approx 6am or thereabouts according to the guy who posted the photo on twitter.
No kids are out at that hour.
Its also interesting and disheartening to see people coming out with such comments as "its not homophobia" or "others in society are under attack more" ect.
Unless you are a LGBT person you have no idea how seeing something like this affects you, it is a homophobic hate crime and if and when the culprit is caught he/she should get a sentence.

NIMAN

There's homophobia is the US, Italy, Spain, Germany, Russia, Austrialia, NZ ...........

Its not just Ireland.

In fact, Ireland is a lot more progressive than most Western countries when it comes to gay rights, so a bit harsh to judge the entire country due to the actions of a few scumbags.

baby and crumble

I'm interested to know if those posting in this thread that there's "no homophobia in Ireland" anymore are gay themselves? As someone who gets called names and stared at walking down the street for my gender/ sexuality expression, and asked to leave public toilets and changing rooms fairly regularly, I'd have to disagree.

Ok so less gay bashing is happening but there's still gay kids being kicked out of the house when they come out to their parents, there's still teachers afraid to come out to their students and talk about their husband or wife, there's still lots of that happening. Just because it's not on the news like this doesn't mean it's not homophobia.

NIMAN

baby and crumble wrote: »

I'm interested to know if those posting in this thread that there's "no homophobia in Ireland" anymore are gay themselves? As someone who gets called names and stared at walking down the street for my gender/ sexuality expression, and asked to leave public toilets and changing rooms fairly regularly, I'd have to disagree.

Ok so less gay bashing is happening but there's still gay kids being kicked out of the house when they come out to their parents, there's still teachers afraid to come out to their students and talk about their husband or wife, there's still lots of that happening. Just because it's not on the news like this doesn't mean it's not homophobia.

No-one is denying that, but you are being unrealistic if you think there will be 100% acceptance across the population.

It simply isn't going to ever happen, because people are people. And every country is the same.

There will always be homophobia, racism, sexism, ageism ........

lawred2

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think sometimes there can be a perception that homophobia doesn't exist anymore here in this country since May 23rd 2015.

It does. The george was vandalised last night

https://lovindublin.com/news/pic-the-george-nightclub-got-horrifically-vandalised-last-night

False premise. And maybe worse a false flag type OP.

baby and crumble

NIMAN wrote: »

No-one is denying that, but you are being unrealistic if you think there will be 100% acceptance across the population.

It simply isn't going to ever happen, because people are people. And every country is the same.

There will always be homophobia, racism, sexism, ageism ........

I disagree. Why should we be ok with some of our population being treated unequally? "Just because"? That's not good enough

Will I Am Not

baby and crumble wrote: »

I disagree. Why should we be ok with some of our population being treated unequally? "Just because"? That's not good enough

You don't have to be ok with it. You just can't do anything about how people feel.

Grey Wind

Prisoner6409 wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion.

... Because a bunch of slurs and a swastika were drawn on a prominent gay bar? It is absolutely homophobia.


I'm not sure what the... obsession with trying to downplay homophobia is. Why, when greeted with BLATANT homophobic vandalism, do so many of you immediately jump to "oh well how do you know this was homophobia" or "yeah it's bad but homophobia isn't a problem usually/it's worse somewhere else"? What relevance do these responses have?


And for the record, yeah, homophobia absolutely exists in Ireland. Ask anybody who's gay. Or take a look at some studies. Or take a look at the lack of hate crimes laws and the fact that schools can still legally fire gay teachers.

NIMAN wrote: »

There's homophobia is the US, Italy, Spain, Germany, Russia, Austrialia, NZ ...........

Its not just Ireland.

In fact, Ireland is a lot more progressive than most Western countries when it comes to gay rights, so a bit harsh to judge the entire country due to the actions of a few scumbags.

"Homophobia still exists in ireland" is not judging the entire country. It's acknowledging a problem that exists.

wakka12

infogiver wrote: »

The point is, no particular group can claim to be any more victimised then any other.
Actually my own idea is that currently elderly people living alone in rural Ireland have it pretty bad between being under threat from marauding traveller gangs and being treated like nuisances by the health service, and no one really cares.

So, you come onto a thread about a gay hate crime to tell us there are other minorities who have it worse than us