WW XII - Simpsons Mafia

Lord TSC

If I seem quite today, it's because I've not really got too much to add at the moment. Necro is doing stellar work imo, and I kind of worry anything I add to the proceedings at the moment might just muddy the waters.

I'm leaning towards Xara or Vale. Xara and Kolido's exchange a few pages make comes across as very scripted to me, and I've already stated I find it massively suspicious Xara, Vale and Sully (iirc) voted together to get rid of Tigger. Did the voting board close during the blackout too? Could they have had their votes locked in as they tried to run with the "Lets lynch Tigger" plan, and not able to change them before it was too late?

Baggly

Lads I said it about tigger and am saying it again now, unless someone is proven clear like homer and ned now are, we need to be wary.

Necro is being super helpful, but he is also at this stage directing the conversation. He hasn't been proven good beyond that he is being helpful. However if he is leading the conversation towards lynching multiple people who aren't baddies, he isn't being helpful at all.

Be wary is what I'm saying. No-one is above suspicion bar the 2 lads above.

I am aware this would also put me in the frame, but I said I would pipe up if I saw a trend and that's the trend I'm seeing.

Baggly

Lord TSC wrote:

I'm leaning towards Xara or Vale. Xara and Kolido's exchange a few pages make comes across as very scripted to me, and I've already stated I find it massively suspicious Xara, Vale and Sully (iirc) voted together to get rid of Tigger. Did the voting board close during the blackout too? Could they have had their votes locked in as they tried to run with the "Lets lynch Tigger" plan, and not able to change them before it was too late?

That's actually a really good spot imo

Guffy

sullivlo wrote: »

Greetings Springfield!

People seem to be mentioning me a lot, and I had hoped to be able to do more for Springfield, so I'm revealing myself in case anything happens me this morning.

I was/am Willie.

I was trying to keep quiet yesterday because I didn't want to raise suspicion against me. The accusations seemed to have died down a lot when beaker came out, but they came back last night.

I protected tigger on night one, as I took him for face value as being the doc. He's also usually a big target for the wolfs.

I didn't get to protect anyone last night because Ned took it upon himself to preach to me. I didn't get my protection order in before losing my special powers. I tried to hint at the preaching thing - qb picked up on it.

Had I been able to protect last night I would have protected Maggie in the hopes of keeping homer safe for another round.

Hopefully see you here soon, otherwise hopefully the dead room have a warm welcome for me.



(If I'm not dead - totes awks momo)

Its quite clear from this that sully was a wolf not an sk, he is telling the other wolves to kill him as ned is on him the sneeky fecker (also sk wouldnt say anything anyway).


I spent last 20/30 min going through razes' posts. There's nothing there that even raises an eybrow tbh. The only thing you could point at if stuck is him trying to derail the reveal plan. But even then when his reasoning was pointed out as flawed he was happy to go along with it. Duno why but got mad suspicious of him this morning but i think hes safe tbh...

O actually there was one around the lynching of tigger, it can be read as herman looking for advice if you wanted to read it that way, will go back and quote it but its a bit meh really

quickbeam

Current status

Necrominus Alive Grampa Simpson (self proclaimed, uncontested) 271
dottie_lottie Alive Smithers (self proclaimed, uncontested) 139
MicksJaguar Alive 126
The_Valeyard Alive 102
gufc21 Alive 100
quickbeam Alive Homer Simpson 97
tritium Alive 97
raze_them_all_ Alive 66
Lord TSC Alive 51
Pter Alive 36
sKeith Alive 31
Xaracatz Alive 31
Barney92 Alive 30
y0ssar1an22 Alive 25
Digital Solitude Alive 16
Kolido Alive 16
MrsFlushdraw Alive Carl (self proclaimed, uncontested) 16
Chagan Alive 12
Nopeare Alive Ned Flanders (self proclaimed, uncontested) 10
partyjungle Alive 8
A Neurotic Alive 7
Jayop Alive 6

Uriel. Dead Unknown good role 218
Tigger Dead Dr. Hibbert 171
Drumpot Dead Unknown good role 74
sullivlo Dead Unknown evil role 44
Loughc Dead Unknown good role 41
Beakerjoe Dead Groundskeeper Willie 38
avork Dead Milhouse 23
Andy125 Dead Louie 22

Baggly

gufc21 wrote:

Its quite clear from this that sully was a wolf not an sk, he is telling the other wolves to kill him as ned is on him the sneeky fecker (also sk wouldnt say anything anyway).

If he was a wolf, I think we can disregard basically everything he has said. More likely to be a ploy cooked up in his teams backroom to mislead and break the line of questioning.

quickbeam

gufc21 wrote: »

O actually there was one around the lynching of tigger, it can be read as herman looking for advice if you wanted to read it that way, will go back and quote it but its a bit meh really

Please do post. I already posted something from him that might be Hermany so if we'd another we might see a pattern.

Kolido

Necrominus wrote: »

This is the one suss post of EMF's I can find. It's an attempt to cast shade on the role reveal idea without sounding like they are against it. I believe Kolido is one of the rich guys or possibly an SK.

I do agree that post comes across dodgy.

If you feel strongly enough that Im a baddy then go ahead and vote me, but I just don't want everyone jumping on the bandwagon because a few people are suss about me. We have lost far too many good guys this way.

quickbeam

Necrominus wrote: »

This is the one suss post of EMF's I can find. It's an attempt to cast shade on the role reveal idea without sounding like they are against it. I believe Kolido is one of the rich guys or possibly an SK.

Sounds like genuine confusion / querying to me.

tritium

quickbeam wrote: »

Current status

Necrominus Alive Grampa Simpson (self proclaimed, uncontested) 271
dottie_lottie Alive Smithers (self proclaimed, uncontested) 139
MicksJaguar Alive 126
The_Valeyard Alive 102
gufc21 Alive 100
quickbeam Alive Homer Simpson 97
tritium Alive 97
raze_them_all_ Alive 66
Lord TSC Alive 51
Pter Alive 36
sKeith Alive 31
Xaracatz Alive 31
Barney92 Alive 30
y0ssar1an22 Alive 25
Digital Solitude Alive 16
Kolido Alive 16
MrsFlushdraw Alive Carl (self proclaimed, uncontested) 16
Chagan Alive 12
Nopeare Alive Ned Flanders (self proclaimed, uncontested) 10
partyjungle Alive 8
A Neurotic Alive 7
Jayop Alive 6

Uriel. Dead Unknown good role 218
Tigger Dead Dr. Hibbert 171
Drumpot Dead Unknown good role 74
sullivlo Dead Unknown evil role 44
Loughc Dead Unknown good role 41
Beakerjoe Dead Groundskeeper Willie 38
avork Dead Milhouse 23
Andy125 Dead Louie 22

Thanks quick, looks good aprt from leaving out my krusty claim

Quick question for quick and necro, do you both get backrooms with your roles to engage with the mods?

Necro

tritium wrote: »

Thanks quick, looks good aprt from leaving out my krusty claim

Quick question for quick and necro, do you both get backrooms with your roles to engage with the mods?

I dont anyways

Guffy

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Just on this Tigger, while its a good idea, surely there are too many simpsons characters thast aint name as baddies/rolled that the baddies could just claim? Patty,selma,apu just to name a few off the top my head

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

but what if those claimed characters aint actually given to people?? so lets say apu isnt a char in game, a baddie claims apu, nobody can argue?

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

baddies get a **** load of kills, they would clear it first id imagine

Tries to stop tiggers reveal but valid enough reasons tbh

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Ok village can i suggest something? if we dont lynch tigger tonight and herman doesnt kill him that confirms he is evil and can be got tomorrow? is that not so? it saves us a lynch cos if tigger is good then herman would surely kill him? or am i missing something? means herman has to use his kill to off Tigger where if we lynch him gives him another viable target? or do we just lynch Tigger and roll from there? thoughts?

Thinking out loud and looking for feedback, if he doesn't kill tigger the village will lynch him anyway, right

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

ugh true plus i just thought about it, herman can leave tigger alive and that'd mean we'd lynch him anyway.


How are you leaning on this? Are we stringing up tigger or?

Falls in with the crowd

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

So we all agree on qb for the lynch to save two kills


Falls in with the crowd...



Fairly sure that's all a massive reach. Not sure why i was suspicious earlier or what made me go back through them. Prob just tiredness but nothing there that would convinve me raze has a bad bone in his body tbh

quickbeam

tritium wrote: »

Thanks quick, looks good aprt from leaving out my krusty claim

Quick question for quick and necro, do you both get backrooms with your roles to engage with the mods?

Whoops. Of course.

No, I've no backroom access. I presume notification of any dead family members will come through PM.

quickbeam

gufc21 wrote: »

Fairly sure that's all a massive reach. Not sure why i was suspicious earlier or what made me go back through them. Prob just tiredness but nothing there that would convinve me raze has a bad bone in his body tbh

I think it's enough to have him on our wary lists.

quickbeam

Lord TSC wrote: »

I'm leaning towards Xara or Vale. Xara and Kolido's exchange a few pages make comes across as very scripted to me, and I've already stated I find it massively suspicious Xara, Vale and Sully (iirc) voted together to get rid of Tigger. Did the voting board close during the blackout too? Could they have had their votes locked in as they tried to run with the "Lets lynch Tigger" plan, and not able to change them before it was too late?

Sully voted for me. Those who voted for Tigger:

Necro
Vale
Uriel (confirmed goodie)
Xara

Guffy

Can someone else read through skeith's posts and tell me what they thing. I have an opinion but i would rather see anothers first. There's 33 so shouldnt take long really. Got through them in a couple of minutes

y0ssar1an22

gufc21 wrote: »

Can someone else read through skeith's posts and tell me what they thing. I have an opinion but i would rather see anothers first. There's 33 so shouldnt take long really. Got through them in a couple of minutes

on it now

tritium

Necrominus wrote: »

I dont anyways

So how do you confirm ned preached to you. Do you get a pm or something?

Guffy

tritium wrote: »

So how do you confirm ned preached to you. Do you get a pm or something?

Well sully knew ned preached to him, its why he gave himself up. I assume he was told?

tritium

gufc21 wrote: »

Well sully knew ned preached to him, its why he gave himself up. I assume he was told?

Because sully loses acces to her team

Necro

tritium wrote:

So how do you confirm ned preached to you. Do you get a pm or something?

Yep. PM from the mods.

Pter I haven't forgotten​ your post. I'm on the phone and up to my eyes in stuff here till 3. I can respond then.

y0ssar1an22

sKeith wrote: »

its possible for 7 to die in one day. 3 munch, 1 lynch, 1 herman 2 maggie.

refers to herman by name but no mention of bob?

sKeith wrote: »

+1 for revealing. have we a consensus yet? we also need a consensus for when to reveal.

sKeith wrote: »

bodyguard can't protect himself.
magee can't kill when dead
homer isn't invincible when any simpson dead

3 reasons a reveal all might not be in our interests.

keen for people to reveal roles.

sKeith wrote: »

i'm in the believe trit camp unless a counter claim comes up. i believe counter clams need to come for mrs fd and dottie too. if none come, we can stat a voting block going. QB . my suspicions of you were wrong, but not unfounded, glad to be wrong.

why counter claims from mrs FD and dottie? maybe i missed something here.



no other posts really stood out to me

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

refers to herman by name but no mention of bob?







keen for people to reveal roles.




why counter claims from mrs FD and dottie? maybe i missed something here.



no other posts really stood out to me

never mind point 2 there about revealing. those 2 posts are contradictions

Necro

Those middle two posts, gufc - do you not see the complete contradiction?

y0ssar1an22

Necrominus wrote: »

Those middle two posts, gufc - do you not see the complete contradiction?

snap!!

Baggly

Necrominus wrote:

Pter I haven't forgotten​ your post. I'm on the phone and up to my eyes in stuff here till 3. I can respond then.

The post wasn't meant as an accusation against you: if you are in team village everything you are saying is good stuff, but I voted for the qb plan last night to have a certified goodie leading us, and it seems you are leading by defacto.

That's fine if you are good, but if not you could be leading us to lynch another goodie (which is bad) or a rival baddie (which is good but also kinda bad, as that's what a rival mafia or sk would want).

I'd rather we continue to question those in qbs list, as we know he doesn't have an anti village agenda

Baggly

Necrominus wrote:

Those middle two posts, gufc - do you not see the complete contradiction?

OK I have to say you are buying yourself a lot of villager credit and playing a blinder, whatever way you are.

y0ssar1an22

gufc21 wrote: »

Can someone else read through skeith's posts and tell me what they thing. I have an opinion but i would rather see anothers first. There's 33 so shouldnt take long really. Got through them in a couple of minutes

whats your opinion?

quickbeam

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why counter claims from mrs FD and dottie? maybe i missed something here.

Cos MrsF and Dottie have revealed their roles.

Necro

Can't quote properly as using the app but I take your points on board Pter. I agree we should follow qbs lead. Although dottie's idea of the blind vote is definitely a great one.

I'll respond in more detail a bit later.

quickbeam

gufc21 wrote: »

Well sully knew ned preached to him, its why he gave himself up. I assume he was told?

So, Sully knew she had Ned preaching to her because she'd have got a PM.

But she also knew that her team's kill would still go ahead.

And she didn't know that she'd be Bob's target. Did Bob believe her Willie claim and change his target because of her post, I wonder? Or was she his target anyway?

Does Ned preaching mean she's locked out of the backroom forever, or just a turn?

sKeith

sKeith wrote: »

+1 for revealing. have we a consensus yet? we also need a consensus for when to reveal.

sKeith wrote: »

bodyguard can't protect himself.
magee can't kill when dead
homer isn't invincible when any simpson dead

3 reasons a reveal all might not be in our interests.

These don't contradict each other.
I was good with the reveal, but these are 3 reasons why it might not be good, discuss.

If the bodyguard says hey, i'm the bg, he's dead.
if maggie says , hey , i'm maggie, shes dead.
if maggie is dead, homer ain't invincible.

They are all valid points that needed to be thought about before the reveal.

quickbeam

Necro - why were you so sure you'd be munched this morning? You weren't a super-obvious target to me.

Lord TSC

quickbeam wrote: »

Necro - why were you so sure you'd be munched this morning? You weren't a super-obvious target to me.

At a guess, he's team leader; he's very obviously leading the village, organizing everything. He goes, and that mantle has to be taken up by someone else.

Necro

Because I believe I'm on the right track to catching the mafia. The original list was causing huge concern, sully was popping in and out like a genie into the thread (credit Uriel for that one). The munches then today (sully, Uriel) were to cast some doubt on my claim. It didn't work as sully was in fact a baddie.

Just for the record, I think Xaracatz is a bad lynch today.

sKeith

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why counter claims from mrs FD and dottie? maybe i missed something here.

mrs fd is carl and dottie is smitters, these nrv's have no reason to protect a wolf.
if no cliaim comes, which i gathered would be the case, we have a voting block.
if someone claims, one of them is a wolf.

quickbeam

Xaracatz wrote: »

This is also true btw.

Xaracatz wrote: »

Correctly too. I thought I was being clear enough.

Xara - can you clarify your first post for a clueless dumbass please?

Or Yoss might be able to if you're not around, as it seems like a conversation you were both involved in and understood.

quickbeam

Necrominus wrote: »

Just for the record, I think Xaracatz is a bad lynch today.

Why?

Necro

quickbeam wrote: »

Why?

Just a hunch. Want to see how it plays out. There's more, but I don't really want to get into it, cos reasons

raze_them_all_

Just woke up there folks, Qb Gufc seems to have summed it up pretty well, I was just making sure that was the plan we were going for, not much to it other than that, no point 3/4 people going one plan, then some more going a different way.

I put out we vote here, this is why, do wee agree. People can clearly see it. I don't see it as tentative on my part, at all tbh.

But I like where your head is at

Necro

Xaracatz, why should we lynch Kolido?

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

are you burns?

dottie_lottie wrote: »

no I'm Smithers, i need to keep this sh1t show going in his absence!!

Xaracatz wrote: »

This is also true btw.

thats the jist of it, with a few posts left out. i asked if dottie was burns , she said she was smothers, xara confirmed this to be true

Necro

And, flip it - Kolido - why shouldn't we lynch you?

quickbeam

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

thats the jist of it, with a few posts left out. i asked if dottie was burns , she said she was smothers, xara confirmed this to be true

How would Xara know?

Guffy

Yip the contradiction is what i spotted first but when i went into look at them its in context, its shortly after his first post, thinking outloud.

Or its hey guys look i do agree to it in a post on its own then shortly after, it wont work it wont work it wont work. The maggie one obviously doesnt even make sense.


But there really isnt anything else there. Its all just chirp in with a pretty neutral comment here and there to keep post count up sort of stuff.

Was also in the maggie shoot tigger camp but didnt push it either. It like adding voice to a wave while at the same time not sticking my neck out. Go on maggie, do it (so i can do someone else) being shouted from the faceless crowd.


Maybe people who talk but say nothing just erk me, then again sometime its better to say nothing, i guess if your as wrong as me at times.

Necro

Kolido wrote: »

I do agree that post comes across dodgy.

If you feel strongly enough that Im a baddy then go ahead and vote me, but I just don't want everyone jumping on the bandwagon because a few people are suss about me. We have lost far too many good guys this way.

I'm going to take this a bit further. If you are a villager - why would I vote you? Give me some reasoning behind why I shouldn't vote you. Never mind bandwagons, just answer without blurring the lines with 'losing good guys' comments.

And I'm going to ask again - who do you suspect? Is there anyone that stands out to you from the crowd as mafia/sk?
If you are a villager, this will be good information for us to learn.

So far all we've got is wishy-washy responses saying 'I know it sounds dodgy'.

So.. why should I not vote to lynch you?

Think last night was good for us and Sully was on another bad team from Andys, as I don't believe he would put her on the chopping block that or they they a major boonline boo. I'd say Andy list is all lies when he posted it there was 29 players left I doubt with only 2 left on his team he mentioned any on the list and it was what it was really.

Also I'm up for killing raze

y0ssar1an22

quickbeam wrote: »

How would Xara know?

dunno. xara? care to share?

Guffy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also I'm up for killing raze

Why? Im not seeing it. I mean if i reach i can but its a reach.


I think sk is dodge tbh