Sean Fitzpatrick to get off Scott Free

Cyrus

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Very funny considering you were blaming SF/AAA in your last post.

Must be very convenient to live in such a black and white reality.

You do realise what you are advocating for is unchecked, unaccountable corporate socialism yes? After all, no one is to blame in your eyes for tens of billions of wealth disappearing from the countries value. No criminality at all just scape goats.

Can I ask if you are employed in the financial sector? I think it's fair to ask before assuming, considering anyone who disapproves of your own viewpoint is automatically a shinner.

Nuance doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

this is brilliant, unless you are foaming at the mouth looking for someone to be jailed then nuance isnt a strong suit.

i dont work in the financial services sector.

all i have ever said on this matter is that if people have committed a serious crime they should go to jail. I couldnt see the crime that sean fitzpatrick was going to be jailed for, and i was proven correct.

Cyrus

Hermy wrote: »

I agree with your earlier point re all the ire from the AAA and SF brigade but this isn't about a scapegoat.

Most peoples own actions did not lead to the collapse of a bank costing the tax payer ?30 billion.

Sean Fitzpatrick's actions did.

not really true

he didnt cause the collapse of the US banking system or the global financial meltdown

Cee-Jay-Cee

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The facts of the incompetence and bias are available and well reported on. I think it would be an easy case to win. He could claim the thevwhole ordeal caused him distress and suffering and considering how great judges in this country are at awarding large sums of money for baloney cases then any solicitor worth his/her salt would willingly take it on with a fee on a % of the award basis.

Nope, as the Ian Bailey civil action showed, in fact winning those cases is very difficult. He would have to show malice, and there is a vast gulf between not getting a prosecution over the one and demonstrating that there was malicious intent behind it.

No Solicitor worth his salt would take it on a no foal no fee basis, none. Because every Solicitor worth his salt would know how difficult a case it would be, with hundreds or thousands of hours spent analysing a case that is at best a very long shot. The distress and suffering would only be considered if he was wronged, proving he was wronged would be almost impossible.

And there is no legal aid available.

DeanAustin

I still am not clear on what people think he should be convicted on. I suspect he probably did something illegal or at least unethical but you can't throw people in jail for that.

His acquittal rankles for that reason but I don't for a second believe he was responsible for the financial crisis or even Ireland's suffering during it. There were a lot of complex factors at play that caused the crisis.

I also don't for a second believe that Fitzpatrick did what he did thinking what happened was even a remote possibility. Him and people like him thought they'd cracked the financial system and just got blinded by the temporary success. He's an absolute pariah in this country and I'm sure that's something he couldn't have envisaged when Anglo was being built on a foundation of quicksand.

At the end of the day, is he any worse than Dick Fuld?

10000maniacs

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah anglo collapsed over 87m of loans that werent disclosed :pac:

Obviously even though Fitzy admitted to this in 2009, it is not a criminal offence that you can be convicted of in Ireland as we learnt yesterday. The proof is that he got off.
As I am not up on legal intricacies and such, my question is How?, Why? What the fcuk?, Seriously?
Obviously its not as serious as being a Single mother who is a TV sponger. Because that poor woman that I mentioned in a previous post above ended up in prison.
Anybody care to answer this who has legal knowledge?

Cyrus

10000maniacs wrote: »

Obviously even though Fitzy admitted to this in 2009, it is not a criminal offence that you can be convicted of in Ireland as we learnt yesterday. The proof is that he got off.
As I am not up on legal intricacies and such, my question is How?, Why? What the fcuk?, Seriously?
Obviously its not as serious as being Single mother who is a TV sponger.
Anybody care to answer this?

It was a disclosure issue in the accounts it's not like they secretly wrote the loans off

The truth is in the grand scheme of things 87m is immaterial in the context of anglos balance sheet at the time

Also there was something about the total value of the loans representing loans to a partnership not just him and disclosing them as loans to him was as misleading as not disclosing them at all

Nabber

He was never going to found guilty.
It's a corrupt system, he has as much dirt on the rest of the parasites that they won't push the issue.

Long tribunals fill the judicial and legal pockets. Accused just has to wait a few years. Let it blow over, no one blows the whistle and we all line our pockets.

Leo and Covney are part of the problem, so expect no change.

Move along folks......

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

Obviously even though Fitzy admitted to this in 2009, it is not a criminal offence that you can be convicted of in Ireland as we learnt yesterday. The proof is that he got off.
As I am not up on legal intricacies and such, my question is How?, Why? What the fcuk?, Seriously?
Obviously its not as serious as being a Single mother who is a TV sponger. Because that poor woman that I mentioned in a previous post above ended up in prison.
Anybody care to answer this who has legal knowledge?

Because evidence was shredded and there is at least a suggestion that that evidence would have established that the ODCE were coaching the Auditors to give their testimony in a certain way or aver to certain matters. To the point where even the Auditors own Solicitors seem to have expressed concern with aspects of the prosecution...but it seems that records showing their contact with the ODCE were destroyed.

You can certainly be convicted. But there are certain basic requirements, such as witnesses giving their own evidence and not being trained by the prosecution to say certain things. We don't know that they were, we know evidence crucial in examining that was shredded.

Nabber

Nabber wrote: »

It's a corrupt system, he has as much dirt on the rest of the parasites that they won't push the issue.

There is no suggestion that the civil service was corrupt in shredding the records.

One might speculate that it was at best an enormous mistake, or panic, or self preservation. Whatever the motive, its had disastrous consequences.

Hermy

Cyrus wrote: »

not really true

he didnt cause the collapse of the US banking system or the global financial meltdown

I wasn't aware that the Irish tax payer bailed out the US to the tune of €30 billion.

thebaz

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no suggestion that the civil service was corrupt in shredding the records.

One might speculate that it was at best an enormous mistake, or panic, or self preservation. Whatever the motive, its had disastrous consequences.

one hell of a mistake for a senior civil servant to make - regarding Fitzpatricks free legal aid legal team - would he just be assigned a barrister and solicitor (pot luck of them being good bad or medium) , or can he select his legal team on the scheme ?
Would a paying client be able to put together a better team - Seanie seamed happy with the team he got and I assume he would be used to the best.

thebaz

thebaz wrote: »

one hell of a mistake for a senior civil servant to make - regarding Fitzpatricks free legal aid legal team - would he just be assigned a barrister and solicitor (pot luck of them being good bad or medium) , or can he select his legal team on the scheme ?
Would a paying client be able to put together a better team - Seanie seamed happy with the team he got and I assume he would be used to the best.

He can select...but they'd have to be happy to take it on. One case dragging on on legal aid isn't exactly lucrative for a big name barrister, the real money in criminal legal aid is the very few offices that have a very high volume of cases.

10000maniacs

Deleted User wrote: »

Because evidence was shredded and there is at least a suggestion that that evidence would have established that the ODCE were coaching the Auditors to give their testimony in a certain way or aver to certain matters. To the point where even the Auditors own Solicitors seem to have expressed concern with aspects of the prosecution...but it seems that records showing their contact with the ODCE were destroyed.

You can certainly be convicted. But there are certain basic requirements, such as witnesses giving their own evidence and not being trained by the prosecution to say certain things. We don't know that they were, we know evidence crucial in examining that was shredded.

Hmmmm, but he admitted to hiding €87 million in loans from the bank, why does the auditors testimony on this issue even matter?

feargale

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Not that surprising really, but how much did the whole case cost and why is it only now and not on day 1 that the judge ordered an acquittal? This has cost the taxpayer tens of millions.

So again the question is, why did the judge allow it go this far before ordering an acquittal? Surely a quick review of the evidence at the start would have told him all he needed to know.

Imagine the uproar here and elsewhere if the judge had collapsed the case on day one.

Hasschu

Ireland has been rotten to the core since 1921. This is but one more example of a member of the Irish oligopoly getting off scot free. I was surprised he was charged, normally it would take an irate public and threats to sitting MPs re-election prospects before any thought would be given to laying charges. Kenny quickly blames ODCE  in Ireland it would be unthinkable to go after the judge. The witnesses were coached ?, what planet was the judge living on I was coached and have coached other people it is expected in developed countries. You do not want bumbling witnesses withering under cross examination, so you coach them to stick to the bare facts the more you say the more room there is for the trip up. Coaching to commit perjury is illegal of course. You can even rehearse the the questioning and the cross examination. Another case of the Irish upper class protecting its own. It would take an SF government and military tribunals to turn Ireland around. As me blessed sainted mother used to say "We are a disgrace to our race.". If she was around now she would say "Shooting wud be too gud for dem effers, slow hangin wud be more appropriate.". Keep on voting for the natural governing parties, sure we are gluttons for punishment.

Hasschu

At the root of this was fiddling the books for the quarterly/yearly reports and not disclosing it to the auditor. That is the auditor that Anglo paid to audit its accounts. Investors and lenders base their decisions on quarterly/yearly audited reports. Many people lost their shirts as a result. On the other hand a thorough audit would have unearthed the wrong doing. But this is Ireland "Shure we all knows and trusts each other what could go wrong.". And God forbid if it does go wrong don't we have the gov't with its departments and judiciary at our backs, to say nothing about the taxpayers footing the bills in a tails I win and heads I win also environment. Risk free gaming of the gullible public.

nice_guy80

Another nice payday for the legal eagles

Sucking the country dry

Cyrus

Hasschu wrote: »

At the root of this was fiddling the books for the quarterly/yearly reports and not disclosing it to the auditor. That is the auditor that Anglo paid to audit its accounts. Investors and lenders base their decisions on quarterly/yearly audited reports. Many people lost their shirts as a result. On the other hand a thorough audit would have unearthed the wrong doing. But this is Ireland "Shure we all knows and trusts each other what could go wrong.". And God forbid if it does go wrong don't we have the gov't with its departments and judiciary at our backs, to say nothing about the taxpayers footing the bills in a tails I win and heads I win also environment. Risk free gaming of the gullible public.

The 87m was wholly immaterial to the Anglo balance sheet

Cyrus

Hermy wrote: »

I wasn't aware that the Irish tax payer bailed out the US to the tune of €30 billion.

Nor was I what's your point exactly ?

Hasschu

Hasschu wrote: »

The witnesses were coached ?, what planet was the judge living on I was coached and have coached other people it is expected in developed countries.

There is a huge difference between telling witnesses what type of question they might face in cross exam and spoonfeeding them facts to generate identikit statements that support each other. There was an allegation by the defence that there was a cross contamination of statements, they are entitled to seek notes and memos pertinent to those statements, and see how that may have arisen. Except in this case it seems like relevant notes may have been shredded...we don't know, because they're gone. It is a basic rule in criminal law that the accused is entitled to exculpatory evidence too, the prosecution can't cherry pick the stuff that only points to guilt. We shouldn't through due process and natural justice under the wheels in our zeal to get a result.

ToddyDoody

Who's Scott Free?

10000maniacs

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Who's Scott Free?

Sylvester Stallone.

Dyr

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah money handed to them like all the rest of the 'elite'

give me a break, Fitzpatrick was the son of a farmer and a civil servant, he made his own money. Ultimately it all went up in smoke, but for a long time anglo were seen as the blueprint from small banks and he built a massive company before the GFC took all the irish banks down.

Because wicklow farmers and civil servants cant be loaded obviously
What school did Seanie go to in his bare feet? Fee paying one wasn't it?

I said it at the start that I hoped karma got him because an Irish court wouldnt

please helpThank YOU

Hasschu wrote: »

Ireland has been rotten to the core since 1921. This is but one more example of a member of the Irish oligopoly getting off scot free. I was surprised he was charged, normally it would take an irate public and threats to sitting MPs re-election prospects before any thought would be given to laying charges. Kenny quickly blames ODCE in Ireland it would be unthinkable to go after the judge. The witnesses were coached ?, what planet was the judge living on I was coached and have coached other people it is expected in developed countries. You do not want bumbling witnesses withering under cross examination, so you coach them to stick to the bare facts the more you say the more room there is for the trip up. Coaching to commit perjury is illegal of course. You can even rehearse the the questioning and the cross examination. Another case of the Irish upper class protecting its own. It would take an SF government and military tribunals to turn Ireland around. As me blessed sainted mother used to say "We are a disgrace to our race.". If she was around now she would say "Shooting wud be too gud for dem effers, slow hangin wud be more appropriate.". Keep on voting for the natural governing parties, sure we are gluttons for punishment.

Coaching a witness is a very dangerous thing to do. In a court case and it could lead to miscarriage of justice and a Man/Women sent to jail over `coaching a witness false memory syndrome ..

Hermy

Cyrus wrote: »

Nor was I what's your point exactly ?

You tell me.

I was talking about the the collapse of Anglo and the cost to the Irish taxpayer and you said he didnt cause the collapse of the US banking system.

steddyeddy

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

This country makes me sick. The rich can ruin countless lives and get away with it. A poor person will get thrown in jail for not paying their TV license.

He's about as innocent as OJ, and his crimes no doubt cost more lives due to suicide.

And yet most of the venom on Boards is directed at welfare. Complete idiots.

knipex

Hasschu wrote: »

Ireland has been rotten to the core since 1921. This is but one more example of a member of the Irish oligopoly getting off scot free. I was surprised he was charged, normally it would take an irate public and threats to sitting MPs re-election prospects before any thought would be given to laying charges. Kenny quickly blames ODCE  in Ireland it would be unthinkable to go after the judge. The witnesses were coached ?, what planet was the judge living on I was coached and have coached other people it is expected in developed countries. You do not want bumbling witnesses withering under cross examination, so you coach them to stick to the bare facts the more you say the more room there is for the trip up. Coaching to commit perjury is illegal of course. You can even rehearse the the questioning and the cross examination. Another case of the Irish upper class protecting its own. It would take an SF government and military tribunals to turn Ireland around. As me blessed sainted mother used to say "We are a disgrace to our race.". If she was around now she would say "Shooting wud be too gud for dem effers, slow hangin wud be more appropriate.". Keep on voting for the natural governing parties, sure we are gluttons for punishment.

First there are no MP's in Ireland.

Second have you read what teh judge actually said.

Statements matched word for word.
Files were destroyed..

Hasschu wrote: »

It would take an SF government and military tribunals to turn Ireland around. As me blessed sainted mother used to say "We are a disgrace to our race.". If she was around now she would say "Shooting wud be too gud for dem effers, slow hangin wud be more appropriate.". Keep on voting for the natural governing parties, sure we are gluttons for punishment.

Ahhhhh yes Sinn Fein the part of law and order... or was that the party of kangaroo courts, child abusers begin let off and knee capping..

GoneHome

emo72 wrote: »

Somebody please explain the shredding to me? It was the head man in the ODCE? He wanted it gone. Admitted he done it, and........ Nothing?

He had "mental health issues" and signed himself in to a pysic hospital for two months. I wonder was it the same hospital Paul "Console" Kelly and Angela "Rehab" Kerins signed themselves into.....

jmayo

Cyrus wrote: »

not really true

he didnt cause the collapse of the US banking system or the global financial meltdown

No he helped cause the collapse of the Irish indigenous banking system, costing the taxpayers current and future hundred of billions and helped push us into handing over our sovereignty.

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah money handed to them like all the rest of the 'elite'

give me a break, Fitzpatrick was the son of a farmer and a civil servant, he made his own money. Ultimately it all went up in smoke, but for a long time anglo were seen as the blueprint from small banks and he built a massive company before the GFC took all the irish banks down.

Actually I know quiet a lot about his upbringing.
His father was a farm labourer rather than a farmer.
A grand man who liked a drink and not a upidity stuck up his own hole piece of shyte like his son turned out.

Fitzpatrick ditched having anything much to do with his relatives in later life as he liked to move in more upmarket circles. :rolleyes:
I guess they weren't high flying enough like his new friends and acquaintances, perhaps they just weren't slimeballs.

I love the way you and your ilk play this cr** about the global financial meltdown.
How come banks in other countries survived, how come Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Scandanavian banks survived ?
His great massive company was a house of cards all built on cheap credit and lending to one, yes ONE, industry.
Every hear the old adage about not putting all your eggs in the one basket ?

Surely such a great mind, such a great entrepreneur, someone from a farming background would have heard that old adage ?

Cyrus wrote: »

the truth is that the man was a brilliant entrepreneur who was a self made multi millionaire. Most men of his ilk, who are as successful as he was at one stage arent what most of us would call nice people, and they get to where he got to through unbelievable hard work, determination and also a propensity to take short cuts where they present themselves.

in the end it all blew up in smoke, but this typical irish nonsense about the 'elite' baffles me, and the likelihood of his kids having a career anything like his is almost nil, how many people like him do you think come along every generation?

Thankfully not many chancers like him come along every generation.
And he was a chancer because he was responsible for turning a bank into an open ATM for his mates.
They have been a few other like minded chancers like joe moore, patrick gallgher, whose own great financial companies ended up costing the Irish taxpayers in the end.

Now all the huge unsecured dodgy loans would be bad enough if it was just the banks shareholders who he ended up screwing over, but no he ended up screwing over every taxpayer and citizen in the state because the collapse of his bank was the start of a domino effect.

Oh and his kids did alright out of it.
Didn't they get their big debts paid off by daddy's Nigerian investments that were meant to pay off his own debts ?

BTW it is relatively easy to be a multi millionaire when you get your company to lend you the money and then have other dodgy pieces of shyte to help you hide those loans from prying eyes.

He was and is a contemptible arrogant ar**hole and anyone that defends him and his actions are no better.

ohnonotgmail

jmayo wrote: »

No he helped cause the collapse of the Irish indigenous banking system, costing the taxpayers current and future hundred of billions and helped push us into handing over our sovereignty.



Actually I know quiet a lot about his upbringing.
His father was a farm labourer rather than a farmer.
A grand man who liked a drink and not a upidity stuck up his own hole piece of shyte like his son turned out.

Fitzpatrick ditched having anything much to do with his relatives in later life as he liked to move in more upmarket circles. :rolleyes:
I guess they weren't high flying enough like his new friends and acquaintances, perhaps they just weren't slimeballs.

I love the way you and your ilk play this cr** about the global financial meltdown.
How come banks in other countries survived, how come Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Scandanavian banks survived ?
His great massive company was a house of cards all built on cheap credit and lending to one, yes ONE, industry.
Every hear the old adage about not putting all your eggs in the one basket ?

Surely such a great mind, such a great entrepreneur, someone from a farming background would have heard that old adage ?



Thankfully not many chancers like him come along every generation.
And he was a chancer because he was responsible for turning a bank into an open ATM for his mates.
They have been a few other like minded chancers like joe moore, patrick gallgher, whose own great financial companies ended up costing the Irish taxpayers in the end.

Now all the huge unsecured dodgy loans would be bad enough if it was just the banks shareholders who he ended up screwing over, but no he ended up screwing over every taxpayer and citizen in the state because the collapse of his bank was the start of a domino effect.

Oh and his kids did alright out of it.
Didn't they get their big debts paid off by daddy's Nigerian investments that were meant to pay off his own debts ?

BTW it is relatively easy to be a multi millionaire when you get your company to lend you the money and then have other dodgy pieces of shyte to help you hide those loans from prying eyes.

He was and is a contemptible arrogant ar**hole and anyone that defends him and his actions are no better.

It the was the government of the day who made that decision not Fitzpatrick.

Cyrus

jmayo wrote: »

No he helped cause the collapse of the Irish indigenous banking system, costing the taxpayers current and future hundred of billions and helped push us into handing over our sovereignty.



Actually I know quiet a lot about his upbringing.
His father was a farm labourer rather than a farmer.
A grand man who liked a drink and not a upidity stuck up his own hole piece of shyte like his son turned out.

Fitzpatrick ditched having anything much to do with his relatives in later life as he liked to move in more upmarket circles. :rolleyes:
I guess they weren't high flying enough like his new friends and acquaintances, perhaps they just weren't slimeballs.

I love the way you and your ilk play this cr** about the global financial meltdown.
How come banks in other countries survived, how come Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, Scandanavian banks survived ?
His great massive company was a house of cards all built on cheap credit and lending to one, yes ONE, industry.
Every hear the old adage about not putting all your eggs in the one basket ?

Surely such a great mind, such a great entrepreneur, someone from a farming background would have heard that old adage ?



Thankfully not many chancers like him come along every generation.
And he was a chancer because he was responsible for turning a bank into an open ATM for his mates.
They have been a few other like minded chancers like joe moore, patrick gallgher, whose own great financial companies ended up costing the Irish taxpayers in the end.

Now all the huge unsecured dodgy loans would be bad enough if it was just the banks shareholders who he ended up screwing over, but no he ended up screwing over every taxpayer and citizen in the state because the collapse of his bank was the start of a domino effect.

Oh and his kids did alright out of it.
Didn't they get their big debts paid off by daddy's Nigerian investments that were meant to pay off his own debts ?

BTW it is relatively easy to be a multi millionaire when you get your company to lend you the money and then have other dodgy pieces of shyte to help you hide those loans from prying eyes.

He was and is a contemptible arrogant ar**hole and anyone that defends him and his actions are no better.

i was going to reply but why bother

but thanks for cheering me up

i presume you put sean quinn in the same contemptible pot as sean fitzpatrick based on your post above?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah im from the circle, im one of the maple 10 :pac:

i realise the case against him was so bad that the judge ruled on an acquittal before it even reached a jury

but to you that means he is guilty

The ODCE's handling of the case was so bad the judge ruled on an acquittal.

You must be one of the very few people in this country who don't think that crook Fitzpatrick should be doing time. I can only assume you must have dubious ethics and principles yourself. I sincerely hope you don't work at some kind of senior level in the banking sector.

Cyrus

Maisie Uninterested Stepmother wrote: »

The ODCE's handling of the case was so bad the judge ruled on an acquittal.

You must be one of the very few people in this country who don't think that crook Fitzpatrick should be doing time. I can only assume you must have dubious ethics and principles yourself. I sincerely hope you don't work at some kind of senior level in the banking sector.

sorry if im not one of the misinformed baying mob who want to see someone jailed who hasnt been convicted of any crime.

far from having dubious ethics and principles im someone who believes you are innocent until proven guilty, that everyone is entitled to a fair trial, that you need to have broken a law that carrys a custodial sentence to be jailed and that scapegoating is unfair,

you however cant say the same

i dont work in the banking sector, but if i did it would be at a senior level, so who knows, watch this space

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Cyrus wrote: »

sorry if im not one of the misinformed baying mob who want to see someone jailed who hasnt been convicted of any crime.

far from having dubious ethics and principles im someone who believes you are innocent until proven guilty, that everyone is entitled to a fair trial, that you need to have broken a law that carrys a custodial sentence to be jailed and that scapegoating is unfair,

you however cant say the same

i dont work in the banking sector, but if i did it would be at a senior level, so who knows, watch this space

And I'm someone who believes that if you have completely abused your position and other people's trust in you, ruining lives as a result, you should pay the price. And that an acquittal due to incompetence on the prosecuting side does not equate to 'being found not guilty'.

Yes, I have no doubt you would be capable of working at senior level in the banking sector. That's nothing to boast about these days. :rolleyes:

Cyrus

Maisie Uninterested Stepmother wrote: »

And I'm someone who believes that if you have completely abused your position and other people's trust in you, ruining lives as a result, you should pay the price. And that an acquittal due to incompetence on the prosecuting side does not equate to 'being found not guilty'.

Yes, I have no doubt you would be capable of working at senior level in the banking sector. That's nothing to boast about these days. :rolleyes:

he was arrested a number of times, questioned a number of times and part of the longest running trial (criminal) in the history of the state, yet he has not been found guilty of breaking any law, those are the facts

jmayo

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It the was the government of the day who made that decision not Fitzpatrick.

The same government led by his golfing and dinner buddy.

The same government that was in bed, or at least in the same tent, as most of the developers that were tied up with Anglo.

Don't get me started on who should and shouldn't have been in that bailout.
The thing is the great entrepreneur seanie was seen as the golden achiever in Irish banking circles that they should all copy.
Hence the muppets in AIB and BOI followed his headlong rush into construction lending.
And yes so did Ulster and ACC.
Now Irish Nationwide were already cosy bedfellows with Anglo as we know from the fraudulent director loan handling.

Cyrus wrote: »

i was going to reply but why bother

but thanks for cheering me up

i presume you put sean quinn in the same contemptible pot as sean fitzpatrick based on your post above?

Yes another dodgy type that built a huge business and then broke the rules by using his cash cow insurance company to keep his other interests afloat.

The same quinn that tried to hide assets, the same quinn who made sure his kids were well looked after by the company, in contravention of normal tax regulations as well.

You do seem to laud a particular dodgy bunch of individuals.
Says a lot about you.

Maybe if you want to look at businessmen as someone to admire why not look at the likes of Michael O'Leary.
Ok he can be an obnoxious insurable ass**** as a person at times, but he has done more for transportation in this state than all the government transport ministers put together.
All the while without going to the taxpayer looking for handouts and bailouts like his competitor.

Or why not admire the likes of ex Kerry Group CEO Denis Brosnan who helped build up the company into a world leader in food ingredients and food production ?

Why not admire Tony Ryan, Michael Smurfit ?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Cyrus wrote: »

he was arrested a number of times, questioned a number of times and part of the longest running trial (criminal) in the history of the state, yet he has not been found guilty of breaking any law, those are the facts

As is the incompetence of the ODCE, which is the reason for the acquittal.

weldoninhio

10000maniacs wrote: »

I remember the same day that Fitzpatrick's trial was postponed last year there was a report in one of the newspapers that a single mother was going to prison for non payment of a fecking tv licence.
This woman like most others was thousands less better off as a direct direct result of the schanigans that went on at Anglo Irish.
I was sick to my stomach and even sicker yesterday.

There has never, ever, been anyone sent to jail in Ireland for not paying for their TV license. Not 1 man or woman. Ever.

Stop peddling nonsense.

Ash.J.Williams

weldoninhio wrote: »

There has never, ever, been anyone sent to jail in Ireland for not paying for their TV license. Not 1 man or woman. Ever.

Stop peddling nonsense.

i believe there has, as in they get arrested ...sign into mountjoy and then get released?

ohnonotgmail

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i believe there has, as in they get arrested ...sign into mountjoy and then get released?

No, weldoninhio is right. The penalties for not having a tv licence are monetary. you cannot be jailed for not having a tv licence. the option simply does not exist.

weldoninhio

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i believe there has, as in they get arrested ...sign into mountjoy and then get released?

You believe incorrectly. Look it up.

Cyrus

jmayo wrote: »

The same government led by his golfing and dinner buddy.

The same government that was in bed, or at least in the same tent, as most of the developers that were tied up with Anglo.

Don't get me started on who should and shouldn't have been in that bailout.
The thing is the great entrepreneur seanie was seen as the golden achiever in Irish banking circles that they should all copy.
Hence the muppets in AIB and BOI followed his headlong rush into construction lending.
And yes so did Ulster and ACC.
Now Irish Nationwide were already cosy bedfellows with Anglo as we know from the fraudulent director loan handling.



Yes another dodgy type that built a huge business and then broke the rules by using his cash cow insurance company to keep his other interests afloat.

The same quinn that tried to hide assets, the same quinn who made sure his kids were well looked after by the company, in contravention of normal tax regulations as well.

You do seem to laud a particular dodgy bunch of individuals.
Says a lot about you.

Maybe if you want to look at businessmen as someone to admire why not look at the likes of Michael O'Leary.
Ok he can be an obnoxious insurable ass**** as a person at times, but he has done more for transportation in this state than all the government transport ministers put together.
All the while without going to the taxpayer looking for handouts and bailouts like his competitor.

Or why not admire the likes of ex Kerry Group CEO Denis Brosnan who helped build up the company into a world leader in food ingredients and food production ?

Why not admire Tony Ryan, Michael Smurfit ?

i never lauded sean quinn, i just wanted to make sure that your ire extended to him and normally one is lauded and the other derided.

I admire Michael O'Leary, Dermot Desmond, Denis O'Brien, Denis Brosnan, Paul Coulson, Tony Ryan and Michael Smurfit

I admire anyone that started with nothing and generated billions even if it ends up in bankruptcy at the end,

They are exceptional people that do what most cant.

Sean Quinn is someone who should have stuck to what he knew and not got involved in insurance and speculating on banks, all of the irish bankers should have known better than to get caught up in a property bubble fuelled by a global credit bubble. i dont expect to see them jailed for poor judgement however.

TallGlass

weldoninhio wrote: »

There has never, ever, been anyone sent to jail in Ireland for not paying for their TV license. Not 1 man or woman. Ever.

Stop peddling nonsense.

http://www.thejournal.ie/donegal-woman-jailed-not-paying-tv-licence-1962677-Feb2015/

The woman was taken by taxi to Mountjoy’s Dóchas Centre, where she was held for three hours before being given a bus ticket home to Donegal.

TallGlass

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No, weldoninhio is right. The penalties for not having a tv licence are monetary. you cannot be jailed for not having a tv licence. the option simply does not exist.

Well chances are if you don't pay your licence you won't pay the fine and then it ends up with you in a cell or holding.

Which stems from the fact you didn't pay the licence fee in the first place, so you can get jailed for it.

ChikiChiki

weldoninhio wrote: »

There has never, ever, been anyone sent to jail in Ireland for not paying for their TV license. Not 1 man or woman. Ever.

Stop peddling nonsense.

Hate to rain on your parade but it has happened. More than once. 411 people in 2013 alone.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/411-people-jailed-last-year-for-not-paying-their-tv-licence-30235625.html

Are you really that disengaged from what does be going on? Can't believe you were not aware of this.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Cyrus wrote: »

i never lauded sean quinn, i just wanted to make sure that your ire extended to him and normally one is lauded and the other derided.

I admire Michael O'Leary, Dermot Desmond, Denis O'Brien, Denis Brosnan, Paul Coulson, Tony Ryan and Michael Smurfit

I admire anyone that started with nothing and generated billions even if it ends up in bankruptcy at the end,
They are exceptional people that do what most cant..

What about if it causes enormous financial hardship, suffering, and deprivation to others?

And Sean Fitzpatrick was 'exceptional' in that he seemed to have no moral boundaries in place. That was why he was able to do what others couldn't. Not because of his talent and brilliance, but because of his complete lack of scruples.

ChikiChiki

steddyeddy wrote: »

And yet most of the venom on Boards is directed at welfare. Complete idiots.

Some people on welfare deserve the venom. Its the hard working middle class families I feel sorry for. Screwed from every angle imaginable and yet to docile to do anything about it. Their situation could be a great deal better.

ohnonotgmail

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hate to rain on your parade but it has happened. More than once. 411 people in 2013 alone.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/411-people-jailed-last-year-for-not-paying-their-tv-licence-30235625.html

Are you really that disengaged from what does be going on? Can't believe you were not aware of this.

you need to read beyond the headline. they were imprisoned for not paying the fine imposed for not having a tv licence.

Cyrus

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hate to rain on your parade but it has happened. More than once. 411 people in 2013 alone.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/411-people-jailed-last-year-for-not-paying-their-tv-licence-30235625.html

Are you really that disengaged from what does be going on? Can't believe you were not aware of this.

A spokesperson from the Irish Prison Service said that people who are convicted of not paying their television licence usually serve anywhere between a couple of hours and a couple of days in jail.
They said that the number of prisoners who are in prison for non-payment of a court ordered fine, including those imprisoned for the non-payment of a TV licence, is a tiny fraction of the overall prisoner population.

To illustrate this point they said that on February 28 2014 nine people or 0.22pc out of a total of 4,086 in the Irish prison system were in custody for non-payment of fines.

However, they said that none of these were in custody as a result of the non-payment of a TV licence.

Cyrus

Maisie Uninterested Stepmother wrote: »

What about if it causes enormous financial hardship, suffering, and deprivation to others?

And Sean Fitzpatrick was 'exceptional' in that he seemed to have no moral boundaries in place. That was why he was able to do what others couldn't. Not because of his talent and brilliance, but because of his complete lack of scruples.

i really dont know what to say to you, are you blaming him and him alone for everything that happened during the GFC? thats bizarre