Sam Allardyce leaves Crystal Palace

Lord TSC

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/867044649223041024

Starting to break. Will close and purge topic if I've been caught by Fake News.

Word is he wasn't given reassurances over the transfer window so has walked.

rob316

I don't like the guy but Palace are fools for letting him go. If you want to retain premier league status he's the guy I'd call everyday of the week.

martingriff

rob316 wrote: »

I don't like the guy but Palace are fools for letting him go. If you want to retain premier league status he's the guy I'd call everyday of the week.

Just ask Sunderland

Harry Palmr

Telegraph say he has walked.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/23/sam-allardyce-quits-crystal-palace-manager/

Sam Allardyce has stunned Crystal Palace by quitting as manager. A statement is expected later on Tuesday confirming that the 62-year-old is leaving the Premier League club just five months after taking over and having saved them from relegation.

It is understood, in fact, that Allardyce is not intending to continue in management having told friends that he wants to leave ‘on a high’. He will not formally retire but is not expected to look for another management job.

The decision was taken after a meeting with Palace chairman Steve Parish on Tuesday although sources insist there has been no disagreement or bust-up between the pair prompting Allardyce’s departure.

Kristopherus

SS News is stating that he has told Steve Parrish that he wants to leave.

eagle eye

If he wants out then that's fine. He has had a long career in the game. He could become a co-commentator, heard him do it before and he was really good.

bucketybuck

If the rumoured reasons are true then it doesn't surprise me really. The England job was his pinnacle and its gone now, he won't get it again and he probably knows he won't get a job at one of the "big" clubs, so why bother chipping away year after year serving his time in relegation fights? He has nothing to prove in that regard, he doesn't need the money, it isn't going anywhere so on a personal level why bother?

Agent Coulson

Off to China and make million on millions.

Insect Overlord

That spoils the fun of the rumoured pre-season friendly between Limerick and Palace!

ricero

Big sam was probably sick of the soft boy lifestyle in london

Can't say I'll miss him

Johner

Confirmed now.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/867108413951627265

Rekop dog

Don't believe for a second he won't manage again. Too much hunger and drive.

Sam more than deserves a crack at a big job. He's tactically one of the best, and has the man management skills to deal with difficult characters at big clubs.

Premier league fans tend to pigeon hole managers far too easily, such as he's on a lower half specialist, it's utter tripe.

He'll be the first English manager to win the league imo .

ricero

Rekop dog wrote: »

Don't believe for a second he won't manage again. Too much hunger and drive.

Sam more than deserves a crack at a big job. He's tactically one of the best, and has the man management skills to deal with difficult characters at big clubs.

Premier league fans tend to pigeon hole managers far too easily, such as he's on a lower half specialist, it's utter tripe.

He'll be the first English manager to win the league imo .

Im sorry but no. Cant see any of the top 6 clubs having big sam as their manager and time is not on his side

~Rebel~

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Can't say I'll miss him

I kind of will. Not really a fan of the man myself (though i'll always be thankful to him for that one cracking Bolton team with Okacha, Djorkaeff, Campo, peak-Nolan and Giannakopoulos), but it's always good to have characters in the game, and he's certainly a character.

Need a few baddies to get annoyed by. And he's great value when he gets a good win, his speeches afterwards about exactly how he masterminded this victorious moment.

And to be fair to him, he's a bloody good no-nonsense manager. Does exactly what he sets out to.

Rekop dog

ricero wrote: »

Im sorry but no. Cant see any of the top 6 clubs having big sam as their manager and time is not on hia side

Next Arsenal manager imo. Won't be popular but most fans are clueless.

~Rebel~

Rekop dog wrote: »

Don't believe for a second he won't manage again. Too much hunger and drive.

Sam more than deserves a crack at a big job. He's tactically one of the best, and has the man management skills to deal with difficult characters at big clubs.

Premier league fans tend to pigeon hole managers far too easily, such as he's on a lower half specialist, it's utter tripe.

He'll be the first English manager to win the league imo .

I think the Newcastle job was his 'big club' audition, and it didn't go too well.

Much like Hodgson, he has a level. His teams will always come around the same position, and it just depends whether he's bringing them up to that level, or bringing them down to it. No one better for a lower half team though.

brevity

I actually don't mind Sam, I think he's a pretty decent manager.

Definitely a surprise to hear that he quit. There is probably​ something else to this, something personal maybe.

Agent Coulson

Next December/January when a team close to the bottom offers him a fortune to save them he will return.


He will become the premier league Red Adair and make millions doing it.

Rekop dog

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I think the Newcastle job was his 'big club' audition, and it didn't go too well.

Much like Hodgson, he has a level. His teams will always come around the same position, and it just depends whether he's bringing them up to that level, or bringing them down to it. No one better for a lower half team though.

They certainly weren't spending like a big club when he was there, and have won very little to be considered a big club. Big stadium is about their only claim to that tenuous title. To base your assertion on that alone is wrong.

Other top leagues regularly give this sort of manager a chance at their top teams were the premier league always seems to be hesitant. Signing "proven" top level managers is not really a strategy that's succeeding all that well for the league either.

Paully D

Excellent manager.

The way he has left sums Sam up however.

Reputation in tatters, gets the Palace job, keeps them up and ****s off as soon as his reputation is back in tact. All about Sam.

He will be back in some sort of "consultancy" role or at the first half decent club in relegation trouble who pull the trigger in October/November.

Nalz

Might be down to illness or family reasons

Arghus

Rekop dog wrote: »

Next Arsenal manager imo. Won't be popular but most fans are clueless.

What are you on about.

5starpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

They certainly weren't spending like a big club when he was there, and have won very little to be considered a big club. Big stadium is about their only claim to that tenuous title. To base your assertion on that alone is wrong.

Other top leagues regularly give this sort of manager a chance at their top teams were the premier league always seems to be hesitant. Signing "proven" top level managers is not really a strategy that's succeeding all that well for the league either.

Doesn't change the fact that none of them will actually hire him, whatever you think about him deserving it.

super_furry

Nalz wrote: »

Might be down to illness or family reasons

Think it's more that there's nowhere for him to go now. He can keep scrambling around at relegation threatened clubs if he really wants and there'll always be some club that wants him to get them out of trouble but Allardyce seems to believe that he's being denied the chance to really win something.

None of the top seven clubs would have him and unless he finds a club with new owners ready to spend a hell of a lot of money, he's never going to be anything more than the manager of lower-tier Premier League clubs. The England job was his big aim once it became clear that none of the big clubs were interested and we all know how that went.

IvySlayer

Well Enrique is leaving Barcelona...

Harry Palmr

He could clean up in China or the UAE/Saudi if he wanted.

CantGetNoSleep

Insect Overlord wrote: »

That spoils the fun of the rumoured pre-season friendly between Limerick and Palace!

Fun? A few Palace players you've never heard of kicking a ball round a shed then heading home?

Fat Sam happier sitting at home with his pint of wine

Corben Dallas

Sad Big Sam is leaving:(...he will back managing tho.

Think he could do a good job at Arsenal if Wenger does the decent thing.

They might ACTUALLY TRY to win the league with Sam :eek:

Oh and Newcastle are NOT a big club, its like saying Leeds or Aston Villa are big clubs. Big grounds, loyal fans, but all 3 have being so badly run, no money spent for the longest time and yet owners expect insta results.. then hire and fire..repeat to oblivion.

Ashley> from what hes done to Newcastle under his watch is a gold standard on Football Club mismanagement.

WENGER OUT

~Rebel~

Rekop dog wrote: »

They certainly weren't spending like a big club when he was there, and have won very little to be considered a big club. Big stadium is about their only claim to that tenuous title. To base your assertion on that alone is wrong.

Other top leagues regularly give this sort of manager a chance at their top teams were the premier league always seems to be hesitant. Signing "proven" top level managers is not really a strategy that's succeeding all that well for the league either.

I didn't say Newcastle were a big club. I said that was his 'big club' audition. As in, do well there, and he could get a big club job. Newcastle was the perfect stepping stone, if he could have made a go of it.

As for other leagues, I think they tend to go for managers that are more innovative and forward thinking. Who have a new perspective on what can be done. Sam's a great man for what he does, but I don't think you'll find anyone saying he was any of those things. He's the epitome of pragmatism. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it generally comes with a ceiling. Again, see Hodgson for the same issue.

ERG89

rob316 wrote:

I don't like the guy but Palace are fools for letting him go. If you want to retain premier league status he's the guy I'd call everyday of the week.

Hard to know Palace were above 17th unlike Sunderland when he took them over, they actually have a few good players. The run in March helped them with big wins but other than that I don't think he did an amazing job to keep them up. They were fortunate who was below them.
I find there is always 3 or 4 teams every season who do so bad they are asking to go down. Boro & Sunderland were that this year, the latter spent the last decade down there seemingly. Hull & Swansea struggled all season after horrible starts until Hull took the bullet this year by inexplicably losing at home to Sunderland.
As long as Palace don't hire a Warnock or a Moyes they will be fine imo.

Rekop dog

~Rebel~ wrote: »

As for other leagues, I think they tend to go for managers that are more innovative and forward thinking. Who have a new perspective on what can be done. Sam's a great man for what he does, but I don't think you'll find anyone saying he was any of those things. He's the epitome of pragmatism. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it generally comes with a ceiling. Again, see Hodgson for the same issue.

Utter nonsense. At Bolton he was the first premier league manager to use prozone to gain tactical advantage over his rivals in terms of player analytics, he had them punching above their weight for years due to this. He's always been massive advocate of data analysis, the epitome of forward thinking.

~Rebel~

Rekop dog wrote: »

Utter nonsense. At Bolton he was the first premier league manager to use prozone to gain tactical advantage over his rivals in terms of player analytics, he had them punching above their weight for years due to this. He's always been massive advocate of data analysis, the epitome of forward thinking.

Christ man, it's a conversation, that sort of stuff doesn't exactly encourage people to engage.

I couldn't tell you how much analysis he did, and how that influenced his decisions in management, but for the majority of his career you could fairly consistently guess what tactics a Big Sam team were going to employ. The obvious exception being his 2002-2005 Bolton team which, as I mentioned earlier, I loved. But for the most part it was being organized at the back, spreading play wide, and hitting a big man up top (Davies) to knock it down for a followup second striker/attacking midfielder (Nolan). Nothing wrong with that of course, but I wouldn't say it was groundbreaking, or involved any exquisite patterns of play. The best I saw any Sam team play was 03/04 and 04/05 with Okacha, Giannkopolous, Campo, Davies, Nolan, Pedersen, Djorkaeff/Diouf (Diouf replacing Djorkaeff). Great mix of pragmatism and skill. I don't think they/he ever scaled those heights again. And at that stage, all the big teams were all spoken for, and would be for the next few years. Ferguson, Wenger, Jose, Rafa, Jol, Moyes (this being when the bigger teams were Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, and Spurs, and occasionally Newcastle).

So he took the first bigger job that came up, which was Newcastle, but obviously that ended up being a total poisoned chalice. I think had he waited just a bit longer at Bolton, he'd have gotten a crack at the Spurs job when Jol got sacked, or the following year when Ramos got sacked and Redknapp took over. But as it turned out, the Newcastle job didn't go well, and the highest any Allardyce team has finished in the Premier League since then is 10th. Very consistently kept his teams in the league, but I think maybe the bigger clubs from then onwards were looking for someone who pulled out something special with a smaller team, like Pochettino with Southampton, or came from abroad with pedigree.

tl;dr - I don't disagree that he was innovative/forward thinking, but I think his period of being notably forward thinking was 10+ years ago, coinciding with his teams best performances. Which came at a time when big jobs simply weren't there. I don't think many would use that same description of him now. Wenger, the man you tout him to replace, was once the most innovative forward thinking man in football. Things change quickly unfortunately.

eagle eye

He did a great job at Blackburn until he was sacked by the idiot owners.

He had them punching well above their weight. The football was just starting to improve too when he got sacked.

He was highly respected by the players, remember to listening to Ryan Nelsen talking about him a couple of years ago and talking about how much respect the players had for him. He turned Keith Andrews into an international footballer, Chris Samba became a great player under him, he brought in a young Steven NZonzi, revitalised Morten Gamst Pedersen. Other players like Martin Olssen and Phil Jones became first team players. The club didn't have a big budget and he got them 10th in his only full season there. Then the club was being sold and no transfers were allowed in the summer but we were still doing ok the next season. Now a couple of years later we are in league one, if Big Sam had been left in charge we would probably be finishing at worst mid-table.

~Rebel~

eagle eye wrote: »

He did a great job at Blackburn until he was sacked by the idiot owners.

He had them punching well above their weight. The football was just starting to improve too when he got sacked.

He was highly respected by the players, remember to listening to Ryan Nelsen talking about him a couple of years ago and talking about how much respect the players had for him. He turned Keith Andrews into an international footballer, Chris Samba became a great player under him, he brought in a young Steven NZonzi, revitalised Morten Gamst Pedersen. Other players like Martin Olssen and Phil Jones became first team players. The club didn't have a big budget and he got them 10th in his only full season there. Then the club was being sold and no transfers were allowed in the summer but we were still doing ok the next season. Now a couple of years later we are in league one, if Big Sam had been left in charge we would probably be finishing at worst mid-table.

Yeah all his former players seem to have a lot of time for him. Listened to a Damien Delaney interview recently, was very complimentary.

Agent Coulson

Hodgson being linked today as Sam's replacement at Palace.

ricero

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hodgson being linked today as Sam's replacement at Palace.

Those poor palace fans if true

HalloweenJack

Palace is probably Hodgson's level, mid-table PL side. He probably won't get them relegated but won't do much better I reckon either. I reckon he'd be a more stable influence than Pardew.

He had his chance in bigger jobs and didn't impress.

Wardling

The rumour around the water cooler in work as his reason for leaving was a transfer issue.

Apparently his son runs a sport management company and he wanted all future palace transfer to be done through said company which the chairman has refused.

Tha basis of a good rumour is believability and I reckon in Sam's case this could have legs.

HalloweenJack

Plenty of rumours about Sam's obsession with certain agents over the years but that particular one could be just that, a rumour.

jacool

Sam Allardyce resigned hours after finding out that Mark Taylor's wife was killed in the Manchester bombing. Taylor worked with Allardyce at Blackpool, Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and Sunderland.