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1st time workstation build
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24-05-2017 10:27pm#1
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Thanks Xenoronin, that would squeeze it about €10 under budget even after bumping back up to the bigger PSU
Could even have a few case choices then, and even more sticking with the 430W PSU which is enough ... I'm just always a little more comfortable leaving a bit more head-room then that (e.g. scope for swapping the gpu/cpu without needing to change PSU as well as just never running anywhere close to it's rated capacity). 0 -
Thanks for that. How are the new AMD Ryzen? Have always gone with Intel? My current workstation in work uses a k2000 this should be a huge jump in performance? I know Toon Boom struggles with the 12GB I currently have so 16 would be the min required. As far as I know Maya uses the CPU to render I won't be doing full on rendering so the AMD should easily handle Maya?
There amazing the really fast there great at multi-tasking their brilliant for photoshop great in after effects, and their price to performance is unbeatable your going to get 6 cores and 12 threads.
seriously why would you get a 4 core machine
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I wouldn't race to jump on Ryzen for everything, but it's the Maya/Toon and particularly rendering aspects here that make me think it's probably the right choice (especially with the faster ram). As I mentioned above an i7 is probably going to best it for the interactive aspects but lose out on the rendering side (at least from what little clues I could find quickly). I did find someone finding an r7 1700 @ 3.8 rendering with Maya 2.5-3 times quicker then a comparable i7-3770 but of course the devil is in the detail as what exactly you are rendering with what sort of pipelines is going to make a difference, possibly a very big one. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64cybn/ive_just_been_blown_away_by_ryzens_rendering/ Based on that some quick rough calculations suggests to me the stock R5 above would be rendering something like 20-25% quicker then a stock i7-7700K and I think the 7700K would take quite a bit of squeezing into the budget (probably means dropping to a gtx1050ti) and leave no real cpu upgrade possibility.
The sad reality is that it's probably very very hard to get a good read on the impact on your own workflows (not just the tools involved) without simply testing
So pushing me over the edge would be the upgrade room that just isn't likely to exist with an i7 now. 0 -
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Quick answer as I'm out the door for the day now in a minute.
I think the main motherboard difference (between the 2 Gigabytes) is micro-atx Vs atx which just cuts off some expansion ports (and also means you can put it in a smaller and cheaper case) though it would also have bigger heatsinks on the full atx.
If you aren't bothered by size (or needing to scrape out every last euro) then a bigger atx case (even with the m-atx board) leaves a lot more room for cables and letting things breathe a bit more easily. The cpu is 65W and the gpu 120W so combined they are about the same as a gtx1080 (and significantly less then older generations performance cards), throw in no overclocking and this build really shouldn't have a big issue with cooling.
To be honest the biggest thing to me for cable management is a modular or semi-modular psu, if you end up with another €20 to put in you could get something like https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/xVkD4D/seasonic-power-supply-ssr450rm which is both semi-modular and 80+ Gold certified (so more efficient which also means a little bit less heat for the system to handle).
No comment on appearances of cases, that's very much a personal thing.
I think it's very much a case of wiggling around the edges of your budget on those small luxuries between budget power and something a little nicer but not significantly different (the jump to the gold psu probably pays for itself in electricity bills over the life of the machine though).
At this point I may be confusing you as much as helping and it might be time for someone else to jump in with another opinion based on all the above info 0 -
Quick answer as I'm out the door for the day now in a minute.
I think the main motherboard difference (between the 2 Gigabytes) is micro-atx Vs atx which just cuts off some expansion ports (and also means you can put it in a smaller and cheaper case) though it would also have bigger heatsinks on the full atx.
If you aren't bothered by size (or needing to scrape out every last euro) then a bigger atx case (even with the m-atx board) leaves a lot more room for cables and letting things breathe a bit more easily. The cpu is 65W and the gpu 120W so combined they are about the same as a gtx1080 (and significantly less then older generations performance cards), throw in no overclocking and this build really shouldn't have a big issue with cooling.
To be honest the biggest thing to me for cable management is a modular or semi-modular psu, if you end up with another €20 to put in you could get something like https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/xVkD4D/seasonic-power-supply-ssr450rm which is both semi-modular and 80+ Gold certified (so more efficient which also means a little bit less heat for the system to handle).
No comment on appearances of cases, that's very much a personal thing.
I think it's very much a case of wiggling around the edges of your budget on those small luxuries between budget power and something a little nicer but not significantly different (the jump to the gold psu probably pays for itself in electricity bills over the life of the machine though).
At this point I may be confusing you as much as helping and it might be time for someone else to jump in with another opinion based on all the above info
Yeah I know what you mean. There's always something extra you can get if you can spare a few more euro. I suppose the main fear is buying parts that end up not been compatible with each other and fit in the case I'll be happy. With so many different manufacturers of the same parts sometimes €1-€10 in the difference was there any real difference between them, I can't imagine so.
I think what you guys have suggested is going to give me a real solid build.0
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