The Orville

The Continental Op

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161974#Comment_119161974

Going back a bit but I remember this comment and I think at this stage (episode se3e05) it knows exactly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119255763#Comment_119255763

Hmmm random prescient post, by myself

AMKC

I liked that. That was the best episode of the Orville by far this season and certainly one of my favourite episodes of the whole show. Delighted for Topa in the end and as for Klydon good riddance. If a person is not willing to change their point of view from on outdated view to be at least more tolerant then you are better not knowing them at all.

I used to not like Bortas at the beginning of this show but to me he is the character that has grown most in this show now and is one of my favourites.

I was delighted when Issac stepped in and said he would do it and fix Topa. If only it was that simple in real life but maybe in 3 to 5 hundred years it will be.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119273846#Comment_119273846

And this episode is chalk and cheese to everything else we've seen so far this season. It's as if the ship found its heart again. The mission was run of the mill but gave us a few small gags. Isaac clearing the traps, Gordon getting an allergic reaction by "being an idiot".

Kelly letting Topa shadow her in First officer duties, I could easily see Riker do this with Alexander or Chatokay do this with Naomi Wildman if they ever showed an interest, heck even Saru would let a young potential cadet look around if there was a child on board Discovery and you can definitely see that Ransom has Boimlers back.

Contrast how Issacs attempted suicide was dealt with with how Topas suicidal inquiries were handled. Isaac even made me chuckle when while confiding his concerns, he was ready to make a ship wide announcement that nothing was going on.

One thing about Star Trek and the sci-fi of its caliber is it's meant to deliver a hopeful message about the future. This is the first time The Orville has done that this season. The past 4 episodes felt like they were done under Charlie Brookers supervision instead of Seth MacFarland. Last week a previous episode of hope was smashed into pieces, this week another episode was fixed. And yes the scene of new Topa giving the "Engage" order was unnecessary, but so was Alara's goodbye scene last season and I loved them both.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276349#Comment_119276349

But everything you say here is undermined by the fact that they DID do a forced gender reassignment on the infant Topa. That was as negative as Orville has ever gotten

And as for hopeful message of the future?

You must have hated some episodes of DS9

The Continental Op

I feel that season three of the Orville has got back to what I understand to be Gene Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek, but what would I know?

corny

I think I'll stop watching. These shows are disappearing so far up their own arses it's painful to watch. I want to be entertained, not lectured on ideological viewpoints.

I can't believe people are willing to swallow this crap and call it good television.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278782#Comment_119278782

Well if you do not like it then fine stop watching it. I thought it was an excellent episode dealing with moral issues, delimas and real world issues from our time like Star Trek used to. In fact I would go as far as to say it was the best episode of any season of The Orville and certainly my favourite episode of all 3 seasons of it so far.

blade1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280306#Comment_119280306

They may as well wait til the end of the season now! 🤪

corny

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280306#Comment_119280306

Each to their own. I miss the jokes, frivolity and upbeat tone of the first series. McFarlane touched on the issues you're describing but did so in his own inimitable way. The porn addiction episode, majority rule episode, Kelly as a god episode... they all had themes but never went over the top. He's obviously sold his soul to Hulu and political type execs for series 3 because no one can tell me this is McFarlane being true to himself. Have you seen Ted, A million ways to die in the west!

Hollywood doesn't do content without a message anymore so I shouldn't be surprised. 'The Boys' (another show I've recently given up on) has gone the same way. Am I really the only one who laments the relentless politicization of 'entertainment'?

The Continental Op

Each to their own. I miss the jokes, frivolity and upbeat tone of the first series.

I seem to remember reading that McFarlane said he just didn't have it in him to write the required number of "funny" episodes so this is why I think the show has gone the way it has.

corkie

Had forgotten about this episode, which also featured 'Topa', 'Heveena' and Moclans: -

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Sanctuary

corkie

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Twice_in_a_Lifetime

Enjoyable episode with a good twist in it.

AMKC

Another excellent episode and it was funny in a good way in parts too. I really enjoyed that. It was more like old Orville.

I liked the moral dilemma in it too.

I will admit when I seen the title at first I thought it was going to be an episode similar to one in TNG where they find a copy of Will Riker on a planet from a transporter accident that happened many years before.

I though they was going to be two of one of the crew.

The only thing was I thought the last few minutes with the getting Gordan from Earth were rushed. Ye maybe it would have been nothing but they could have done a good scence there maybe they came down and he was like "about time I am not sure I could kill anymore animals I might just decide to starve" or something like that. I think it was an opportunity missed.

I think that the moral dilemma was forced.

It was always a better option to just get the required material and jump back the 10 years. Why would you rescue a potentially traumatised 10 year older person, when you could always have gone straight to the "original"?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308338#Comment_119308338

Yes maybe it was but they or to be precise Ed did not even think of that untill he was going to force Gordan to leave his new family

It's a bit like you set out in your car to go a certain distance but then realise you have miscalculated and that you will not make it so you decide to go somewhere nearer but similar to do what you set out to do and realise it's not as good. So then you have a decision to make stay there or get more fuel be it the dinosaur type liquid fuel or to charge your car somewhere and maybe your funds are low. Now you have a big decision to make. Stay here then go home or get more fuel and go further.

I would not be surprised if after the Orville second jump further back in time that they had to get more Durenum.

corkie

I didn't see it while watching the episode but this isn't the first time we met.

Laura Huggins a.k.a Leighton Meester

Recent episode is a sequel to

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Lasting_Impressions

https://screenrant.com/orville-season-3-star-trek-tng-geordi-improve/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyBf9dJQwRM

odyssey06

I didn't recognise Leighton Meester at first, she has changed so much from her Gossip Girl persona.

Not the first time she's sung in a role, she was in Country Strong also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcapsSWIEa0

AMKC

Another very good Orville episode. Yes there was a little simularitie to a TNG episode from season 1 or was it 2 of TNG. That is where it ends do with the Hireachy part. It's goes off on its own path then and that's not the only story happening there is three sub stories as well all developing a character or a race in some way and there is some good humour in it too. So yes an enjoyable episode of the Orville.

corkie

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/From_Unknown_Graves

Turning 'Bicentennial Man' into a horror?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119337505#Comment_119337505

What's 'Bicentennial Man'?

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339034#Comment_119339034

Is that a joke, no emoji?

Bicentennial Man movie trailer (1999)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0182789/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YMEwX2-88

Using the same troupe and crate introduction?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339034#Comment_119339034

Asimov

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339111#Comment_119339111

That's looks great. When's it out lol?

Honestly I have never seen or even heard of it before now.

The late great Robin Williams in it too wow. Must try buy it.

EoinMcLovin

For fans of The 100, Dr Vilka and Timmis were actually Eliza Taylor (Clarke) and Christopher Larkin (Monty)

corkie

https://cartermatt.com/490215/the-orville-season-4-renewal-campaign-starts-early-on-social-media/

https://twitter.com/hashtag/renewtheorville

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119339473#Comment_119339473

Very good movie, but very long. Its a Sunday afternoon kinda thing. Well worth it though!

Just caught up with ep7. Really good. I too thought that it was an infiltration story at the start (and yep caught the echos of Bicentennial Man) but it handled it really well, and made the Kaylon a little more sympathetic and three dimensional.

Pity about John and Talla though. Despite the laughs in him getting increasingly damaged, they are a good couple.

flazio

Talla by name, Tallaght by nature. 😜

corkie

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Midnight_Blue

Just watching a small bit predictable, strange guest cameo!

TheIrishGrover

I never was convinced by the doctor/Isaac relationship. But I will say that Cassidy Yates... I mean the doc has a great pair of legs :).

I'm all caught up on Orville now. And I find myself in a slightly strange position. While my biggest concern with it originally was the tonal shift from comedy to drama, now I find that they could bring back a bit more of the comedy. I mean the slow pan-back from the security officer to reveal the engineer was very funny. Predictable but funny. That and Bortus' delivery of the line "They were... AWFUL" genuinely made me laugh out loud.

And it is all very safe, middle-of-the-road Sci-Fi. It's enjoyable but ain't gonna push the boundaries anytime soon. I thought they missed a great opportunity to bring in some tension and drama with the "Twice Upon A Time" episode. Gordon should have been FURIOUS once they told him what happened (Or have them keep it to themselves). While I found the initial relationship a little bit Geordie Creepy (Especially in the first episode with the phone/holodeck), his rage at them for demanding that take him back/un-do the timeline was very well written and portrayed. Those two scenes in his house were really great. But then, instead of him being furious at them at the end for undoing his life, he goes "Wow, I can't believe what a d1ck I was"

The Continental Op

Worst thing about this weeks episode is that Klyden returned right at the end, just when I thought that was the end of that annoying character.

AMKC

Wow the latest episode is over an hour and 26 minutes long. Its basically a film. There is films out there not as long as that.

No I have not watched it yet. Kinda forgot about it to tell the truth untill I came into Star Trek forum this morning and went oh ye The Orville is out :)

So just finished watching it and must say it was not a bad episode.

I have no problem with Klyden being back once he has changed and he certainly seems to have. That shows growth in his characther.

TheIrishGrover

I was just coming here to post this actually about the running time. Is this show JUST on streaming platform now? In general, the episodes have been about 1 hour long as opposed to broadcast typical of 45 mins. This inconsistency is quite typical of a steaming does (Disney especially). Or I wonder if they have an edited (for time and language) TV version?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373185#Comment_119373185

Yea, wasn't sorry to see the back of him although he does seem to have turned over a new leaf so we'll see I guess.

It does scupper what seemed to be a bit of a spark between Kelly and Bortus though!

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379845#Comment_119379845

Hulu is exclusively a streaming platform AFAIK

corkie

https://orville.fandom.com/wiki/Domino

Action packed episode, that at first I thought it was a simulation,

would have made a good season finale! but another episode to go.

Anyone else catch Admiral Halsey slipping in that Shakespearean reference with a Star Trek: Strange New Worlds hat tip?

https://www.tvfanatic.com/2022/07/the-orville-new-horizons-season-3-episode-9-review-domino/

What is the article referring to here?

Season three of The Orville (or, The Orville: New Horizons) was initially planned to have eleven episodes, but the ninth episode (“Sympathy for the Devil”) was determined to be unfilmable. Apparently, what scuttled it was an inability to shoot on location outside the USA due to COVID restrictions, and the pregnancy of three cast members. Instead, Seth MacFarlane turned the script into a novella.

https://trekmovie.com/2022/07/26/novella-review-the-orville-sympathy-for-the-devil-is-an-ambitious-morality-tale/

Link to breakdown of it in quote.

AMKC

Episode 9, new alliances are made as the Union bargains for peace with a big stick. We review the value of redemption arcs.

What is the article referring to here?

Season three of The Orville (or, The Orville: New Horizons) was initially planned to have eleven episodes, but the ninth episode (“Sympathy for the Devil”) was determined to be unfilmable. Apparently, what scuttled it was an inability to shoot on location outside the USA due to COVID restrictions, and the pregnancy of three cast members. Instead, Seth MacFarlane turned the script into a novella.

https://trekmovie.com/2022/07/26/novella-review-the-orville-sympathy-for-the-devil-is-an-ambitious-morality-tale/

Link to breakdown of it in quote.

A pity about it not being possible to be filmed. You would think with the size of America they would have everything there but maybe Covid stopped them moving around there too. Maybe they could make it as a film or even a TV movie.

That was an excellent episode. A lot going on. Very sad at the end. To quote Star Trek: We barely knew her:

We had only just started to get to know her. In saying that do we knew her a lot more than any character from Disvovery.

I do agree it would have made a great season final and even thought it might end with a To Be Continued.

Be interesting to see what the next episode is about and if The Orville gets a Season 4. I hope it does.

The Mighty Quinn

Honestly I'm glad to see the back of Charly. I thought she wasn't a good character and over acted. That aside, really enjoying the episodes lately.

Also Talla's accent really takes me out of the show every scene she's in. It's so grating.

flazio

Been meaning to ask, are the Orville crew generally tall people or is Anne Winters (actor playing Charley) really small?

corkie

https://www.celebheights.com/s/Anne-Winters-7000.html

Anne Winters Height

5ft 1 (154.9 cm)

other sites have her reported as 5 feet 3 inches (1.6 meter)

_Kaiser_

That was a great episode, with echoes of DS9 and the Cardassian/Dominion alliance and the turnabout in the finale throughout. It's clear where the budget was spent and save for a dodgy moment when the infiltration team land on the surface it was very well done.

This could very easily have been a season finale as others have said and it holds up just as much as most of the Trek season enders I think.

As for Charley. I wasn't originally a big fan but the last few have won me over and she'll be a definite loss to the crew and cast.

The entire tone of the show has changed this year and while I do miss some of the more deliberate humour, it's really found its feet I think. Will be a massive shame if it doesn't get another season.

corkie

https://www.tvfanatic.com/quotes/we-believe-the-quality-of-mercy-is-mightiest-in-the-mightiest/

Anyone else catch Admiral Halsey slipping in that Shakespearean reference with a Star Trek: Strange New Worlds hat tip?

Still don't see how that is a hat tip to SNW, since Orville episode was filmed well before, we knew content of SNW.

The article didn't include the quote originally, so must have been added back in?

pah

Just watching episode 6, twice in a lifetime. They have consultant physicists and astronomers for this show right?

"If we travel at 99.99999% the speed of light we can be there and back in a few minutes"

🙄

referring to a star system they have just said is 200 light years away. NuTrek got enough harassment about the in world physics, The Orville shouldn't get off the hook.

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409506#Comment_119409506

Wasn't that the whole point though. They would travel to that planet and back and 400 years would pass but because they were travelling so close to the speed of light only a few minutes would pass for them.

corkie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409506#Comment_119409506

By flying the Orville close to light speed with its quantum field turned off, the ship will have no shield from time dilation and will travel forward through time.

NASA's Guide to Near-light-speed Travel

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/12/07/65014/how-does-time-dilation-affect-aging-during-high-speed-space-travel/

pah

Travelling 200 light years and back at the spped of light will indeed mean that 400 years have passed relative to the earth.

You can't do it in a few minutes though it would take about 250 days.

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410049#Comment_119410049

If you travel at close to the speed of light then for you only a few minutes would pass. Time slows down the faster you travel. If you travel fast enough then, 400 years would pass to the outside world but for you only a few minutes would have passed. So, you can do it in a few minutes relative to your own frame of reference.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119402864#Comment_119402864

Yes to both

TheIrishGrover

Was a good episode with a lot of nods to various things (Tell me the "acknowledge" scene wasn't an homage to the start of the Trench Run in Star Wars - Especially as the subsequent scenes also were quite similar). It's not a criticism. Simply an observation. Had pretty much pegged either Charlie or Isaacs not making it back. For the very reason we saw. The self sacrifice making the Kaylons question their logic.

So. while Charlie was a loss to the crew, they lost so many more. Ship after ship of various sizes, Asian Redshirt pilot. Yet they focus so much on charlie. I know, I know, she was one of the main characters and, narratively-speaking, her death had the most impact on Kaylon Prime. But it's actually one thing that takes me out a little. They have SO many ships (All tightly packed in nice little bunches even though they are literally in a place where direction is relative). Every time, the union seems to have more and more ships. They seem to LOSE ship after ship without consequences or even a second thought. They need a scene similar to Best of Both Worlds where they pass through the aftermath of a battle, naming ship after destroyed ship (Including Riker's intended command). They could have had a scene with rows of coffins with hers just one in the bunch. Ed giving a speech about sacrifice etc. then had another short scene with them saying something along the lines of "Y'know, I know we've lost so many and we shouldn't single out but she hit me hardest. Probably because she sat right there and the rest were just names" and then they could reminisce.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode (The test fire of the weapon was particularly strong). And Ted Danson was very good. Does seem like a strange SECOND-last episode. I mean, sure, they can now bring up a Moclan-Krill/Union war. But it almost looks like a sort of soft wind-down in case they don't get a season 4

Who was Bruce Boxleitner in this episode. Saw him in the credits. Thought he was going to be another admiral or something.

(Actually a quick IMDB search. Holy crap. He's the President. Didn't cop that at all and I'm usually pretty good identifying actors under prosthetics)

AMKC

The latest episode I have to say was really good and very funny in fact it was very like the first or second season episodes just done better.

I taught Issac taking advice from Lamarr and then asking him if he wanted to be his date lol was hilarious.

Also inviting the whole Kaylon fleet lol.

Also asking Claire for a date then lol.

Yes there was some similarities to Star Trek in there like your one trying to steal a come device's and specs to bring back to her world. I just knew she would try something.

It was very similar to the episode in TNG where the time traveller trys to bring technology back to the 22nd century.

If it was to be The Orvilles last episode it would a good way to leave it.

I however am hopefully that it will get at least another 3 seasons.