Do you think people should be allowed to bring dogs into shops/cafe/bar with them?

BabysCoffee

barneygumble99 wrote: »

What does your husband work at? What does the dog do, where does he be during work?? Not being nosey, just wondering as in my job or my wife's we couldn't bring a dog.
Growing up in the countryside we always had a dog, only time he ever came with us was if he needed to go to the vet. Often went away for the day and he'd still be there when we got home, jumping and lepping when we'd get back. It was his way of telling us he'd missed us, that he appreciated us.

He is self employed. Walks with the dog to the office (about 10 mins). Dog sleeps under his desk in his basket. Walks out the back door to do his business. Gets a walk in when my husband goes for morning tea and lunch, etc. Then some of the other staff might take him for a short walk during the day.
No clients would be in the office area - they only go to the board room. Dog seems to be very much a part of the office environment with no issues (but then who is going to tell the boss they don't like the dog). He saunters around the place looking for pets.
Think dogs in offices are becoming more common.

elperello

Dog friendly pubs are quite popular in the UK.

They even have websites where you can locate a pub where your dog is welcome http://www.doggiepubs.org.uk/the_pubs.php

It usually works out fine and the dogs seem to enhance the pub experience for non-dog owners.

Food shops would be a different thing though.

seamus

I see no issue with the individual premises deciding. Just like anything else, if a customer brings a badly behaved dog they'll be asked to leave.

Shockingly what you find is that people with badly behaved dogs don't want to bring them to a cafe or supermarket either. Imagine that!

You see plenty of people walking around supermarkets whom I wouldn't trust. I'd let my dog lick my food before I let those dirty bastards breathe on it.

Not bothered if the dog isn't bothering me. First hint of any trouble and out you go.

NB in interests of clarity same applies for your kids, spouse, friends, whatever

dark crystal

No. It's unhygenic and lots of people don't like/ are afraid of dogs. Imagine having a rake of them in your local supermarket, pub or cafe barking at each other, peeing on the table legs and sniffing each others holes....ugh.

I prefer cats anyway, granted, but I wouldn't agree with them being allowed in places where other people eat, drink or shop either. Some people have serious allergies to pet hair, so it's a possible health and safety issue on top of everything else. Also, who wants to see a cat licking it's hoop or rubbing up against your leg whilst you're out trying to eat or enjoy a pint in peace?

wakka12

I don't see any major issues but its just completely unnecessary really? Im sure the dog would much prefer be in a quiet bed in the kitchen at home rather than a crowded pub with people stepping on his tail

wakka12

dark crystal wrote: »

No. It's unhygenic and lots of people don't like/ are afraid of dogs. Imagine having a rake of them in your local supermarket, pub or cafe barking at each other, peeing on the table legs and sniffing each others holes....ugh.

I prefer cats anyway, granted, but I wouldn't agree with them being allowed in places where other people eat, drink or shop either. Some people have serious allergies to pet hair, so it's a possible health and safety issue on top of everything else. Also, who wants to see a cat licking it's hoop or rubbing up against your leg whilst you're out trying to eat or enjoy a pint in peace?

Well see if this was to be allowed the general behaviour of dogs in ireland would need to be much better. They would need to not do those things for it to work, and act like dogs you see in lots of cafes and bars across continental europe. They don't react to any other dogs in the restaurant, don't pee, don't beg, don't make any noise or move really

dark crystal

wakka12 wrote: »

Well see if this was to be allowed the general behaviour of dogs in ireland would need to be much better. They would need to not do those things for it to work, and act like dogs you see in lots of cafes and bars across continental europe. They don't react to any other dogs in the restaurant, don't pee, don't beg, don't make any noise or move really

I've been to a few European cities and can't say I've ever seen dogs (or cats) in any eating or drinking establishments I've ever frequented. Is it really that common?

wakka12

dark crystal wrote: »

I've been to a few European cities and can't say I've ever seen dogs (or cats) in any eating or drinking establishments I've ever frequented. Is it really that common?

Hmm maybe not cities but noticeably common in coastal towns/resorts around the med, spain italy south france

freshpopcorn

If Ireland was to allow dogs into bars again. I don't know how it would work to be honest. I know in some country areas where a local might bring his dog but in the past dogs dogs belonged on the floor and they stayed their.Even the places where I see this happening the dog belong on the floor at home as well.
Today people would want the dog everywhere and this is where I could see a problem arising.

Hector Bellend

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

BabysCoffee

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

Because you are out for a walk and want to go for a drink and you don't want to leave the dog tied up outside.

mahamageehad

dark crystal wrote: »

I've been to a few European cities and can't say I've ever seen dogs (or cats) in any eating or drinking establishments I've ever frequented. Is it really that common?

In Frankfurt it's incredibly common. You probably don't notice them because they're very well behaved? Pubs not so much, but cafes and restaurants and public transport would be very common. I'd have had the same experience in other German cities, plus in France. It'd even be normalish for friends coming over to visit to bring their dog, even to parties. Cats would be unusual though although I have seen people here walking cats (and once a rabbit ) on a leash!

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

You're out with your dog for a walk on a warm day and you stop for a drink or a bite to eat? I don't think it's the case that people are at home planning to go out for a fancy dinner and they decide to bring the dog like.

freshpopcorn

mahamageehad wrote: »

You're out with your dog for a walk on a warm day and you stop for a drink or a bite to eat? I don't think it's the case that people are at home planning to go out for a fancy dinner and they decide to bring the dog like.

If it was allowed people would. Just look over at the animal and pet forum!

km991148

Most of Europe allows dogs in more places than Ire.

I dont see the issue - if the dog owner acts like a d!ck and lets the dog run riot then they get asked to leave.
Same if there is one asshole friend in a group or very badly behaving children etc - group gets asked to leave.


If the premises are big enough they could consider splitting into sections.

As for hygiene - Jesus I have sat in the company of some seriously smelly people before! And they were allowed on the seats!

Hrududu

I'm not sure how a dog lying under a table would effect the hygiene of food being prepared in a different room.

oneilla

mahamageehad wrote: »

I'm in Europe and its completely normal for people to bring their dog on the train, bus, to restaurants, cafes, sometimes to bars. I've never yet see behaviour to be a problem. The expected standard of training is much higher though in my opinion. Dogs are trained well and socialized from a young age. In restaurants the dog usually lies down under or beside the table and doesn't move, regardless of noise, food smells, other dogs etc. It's not like half the mutts I know in Ireland who would be jumping up on ya and begging for food from the table.

Imagine the compensation claims! People claiming they were attacked by dogs, intimidated by them, fell over them etc etc

freshpopcorn

Hrududu wrote: »

I'm not sure how a dog lying under a table would effect the hygiene of food being prepared in a different room.

Some people rub the dog and then touch the salt/pepper/condiments/etc and then other people have to touch it!

Hrududu

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Some people rub the dog and then touch the salt/pepper/condiments/etc and then other people have to touch it!

But sure people could touch anything before coming into a cafe and do the same thing.

freshpopcorn

Hrududu wrote: »

But sure people could touch anything before coming into a cafe and do the same thing.

I know that but its can pretty disgusting to look at when your eating!

theniamh

After walks, on the walk home i have stopped off in pubs or outside of a restaurant with my dog. I have always asked first if it was okay. He is a great dog though, he sits and doesn't bother anyone, in fact its usually people annoying him when he is mid snooze. He lies down at my feet. He has gotten used to it. But I wouldn't bring him if he wasn't trained. I could only imagine the mayhem if he wasn't. Also when I am eating I am not petting my dog. Before I eat I wash my hands, while he is outside. I don't see the problem if they are good.

mahamageehad

oneilla wrote: »

Imagine the compensation claims! People claiming they were attacked by dogs, intimidated by them, fell over them etc etc

Yeah, there's been some crazy cases awarded recently to be fair. However, I was recently looking into getting a dog over here and I was blown away by how expensive it is. Every dog has to be registered, insured, microchipped and vaccinated. Puppy classes are normal for first time owners, but not required. If you have a special breed dog there's more rules like obligatory dog handling training and muzzles. I'm pretty sure you can be fined for not having your dog under control. Pet owners all carry bags to remove dog waste, and in some places there's even stations that provide supplies to clean up after your dog. There's just a different attitude to dogs here, and pets in general. Outdoor dogs are incredibly rare for example. Dogs are family members, and expected to behave like one.

smunchkins

It seems a lot of people have forgotten that dogs co-evolved with us.
People have been eating with them and sharing domestic space with them for all that time, and yet only now are they seen as "dirty" and "smelly" by some, with our ultra-clean, kills 100% of bacteria lives, which only leads to a) a weakened immune system and b)the progress of superbugs amongst the population.

Alpha_zero

Dogs are Dumb and have no souls

iceadtea

I miss my hometown for this reason, dogs can go everywhere as long as they are well behaved and under control. A few pubs local to me had separate dining areas and bar food areas so dogs didn't go into the actual restaurant part. To be honest I've worked in hospitality for years and have seen people do much more disgusting things (like scratching their butt or genitals) then touch the salt, pepper, table, cutlery which worry me way more than someone petting a dog and picking up the salt.

Ireland just doesn't seem overly dog friendly anyway, was a bit of a culture shock realizing lots of dogs live outside here!

Do I want people to enter a supermarket with a dog,rub them and touch food in the shop? Eh no.. I'd prefer if the food wasn't mauled with or without the dog involved to be honest. :rolleyes:

I once saw a woman stick her finger in the coleslaw and then lick it before sticking it back in. So dogs are the least of my worries when it comes to manhandled food.

I've often brought my dog to cafes and pubs serving food and with permission sat outside with her and eaten. She is not even a small dog but I have never had a complaint and never noticed anyone visibly upset by her presence. In fact I've only ever had the most positive of reactions from owners and customers alike. She sits quietly under the table and prays for a morsel to make its way to her and she loves any interaction she gets from strangers while shes there. We've even eaten indoors on a couple of occasions where she was invited in by the owner and then given a bowl of free leftovers by the chef. (nobody even died as a result, it was amazing!)

I've also stayed in hotels with her on several occasions and never had an issue nor has anyone else or I'm sure it would have been brought to my attention.

I have a nervous yappy little terrier and I wouldn't dream of bringing him to any of those places. It wouldn't be fair on him, me or anyone else. I think its pretty obvious if this was commonplace in Ireland, it would be very unusual for someone to bring a troublesome or badly trained pet to any of the above.

Also, I think some people think there would be nowhere to go without dogs present. I doubt every single shop, cafe, bar and restaurant in Ireland would be forced to make their premises dog friendly. It would be an option only some would take up.

Alpha_zero

iceadtea wrote: »

I miss my hometown for this reason, dogs can go everywhere as long as they are well behaved and under control. A few pubs local to me had separate dining areas and bar food areas so dogs didn't go into the actual restaurant part. To be honest I've worked in hospitality for years and have seen people do much more disgusting things (like scratching their butt or genitals) then touch the salt, pepper, table, cutlery which worry me way more than someone petting a dog and picking up the salt.

Ireland just doesn't seem overly dog friendly anyway, was a bit of a culture shock realizing lots of dogs live outside here!

Dog friendly culture lol. Should they have rights enshrines in the constitution

riffmongous

I voted yes because I know it works fine as it's the norm where I live, but the norm here is also for dogs to be kept to a much higher standard of cleanliness than exists in Ireland, here the dogs feet and ass would be cleaned after every walk before coming inside, theyd always be under control during walks and not allowed roll around in ****e or anything and they are always properly socialised. (City dogs of course)

Outlaw Pete

annascott wrote: »

....obviously not some big snapping mud hound peeing everywhere.

Lots of them in Slane Castle yesterday..... but of the human variety.

jackofalltrades

Went to a dog friendly pub once on holiday.
Was quite the novelty to see a load of dogs in a pub.
Couple of observations from it though.

Dogs can be long enough lying down on the ground, which leaves them prone to being stood on.
The crowded environment, even though the pub was relatively quiet didn't suit nervous dogs.
One such dog was barking at everyone that came near the table that he was under.
He was a big dog, so it was quiet loud.
There was also other dogs that barked as they went past each other.

If it was just one or two and they were guaranteed to be well behaved then I could understand.
But people in this country as a whole just don't seem to be great at caring for their dogs.
That and it's a bit of a crap deal for people who are have a fear or dislike of them

blackbird 49

Why not let them have another place where their darlings can **** and not pick it up

blackbird98

I'd have no problem, once the dog is not aggressive and kept under control. Sometimes I wish the owner was tied up outside and the dog allowed in!!!

gandalf

I'm over in France a couple of times a year and this is one thing I can never get used to. The idea of having a dog in a restaurant is completely alien to me and if there is one near my table I find it takes away from enjoyment of my food (weird I know!).

Lollipops23

I'm super allergic to dogs and cats, so much as I like them it would make me quite ill to be in a restaurant or pub and have them sitting anywhere near me.

AryaStark

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not talking about guide dogs or assistant dogs now but do you think people should be allowed to bring their pet to the supermarket with them and rub them and touch food in the shop. Would this bother you or would you like to see an Ireland where you can bring a dog anywhere?
I grew up with always being told to wash my hands after touching the cat/dog before I went to do anything else. So, I don't know would it be for me to be honest.

This is so funny. Do you think that dog fur is the worst thing that people have touched before going shopping.
People have a ****, have sex with someone else, stick their finger half up their ass to scratch it, pick their nose, and do all sorts of disgusting things. And children are also so dirty and running around shops touching things. And you are worried about people petting their dogs!!!!!!!!

Fathom

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not talking about guide dogs or assistant dogs now but do you think people should be allowed to bring their pet to the supermarket with them and rub them and touch food in the shop.

Months back. Watched dog in market. Lift leg. Peed. On rack of packaged bakery foods that almost reached floor. Owner jerked leash. Walked off. Told no one. Impression lasts for me. Whenever I see a dog in market now. I remember imagery. From before. Have seen dogs with mouth slobber. Tired from running. Or around food. Drooling. Shake heads in rotation. Slobber going everywhere. Several feet. Wonder if this happens in markets too? Highly trained guide dogs for handicapped. Or other health reasons. Fine by me. Otherwise, no thanks. I'll shop where they are not allowed.

Murrisk

pilly wrote: »

I'm kind of torn on this. While I'd love to be able to bring my dog into some places with me I understand some people don't like dogs.

I find a bar with a dog wandering around is a very relaxing place but would it be as relaxing if there was 5 or 6 dogs? Maybe not?

I like dogs but I was in a smoking area of a pub recently where there were four different dogs there at the same time. It was a bit much, lots of barking. A bit of food cadging too. Pretty annoying.

Murrisk

Fathom wrote: »

Months back. Watched dog in market. Lift leg. Peed. On rack of packaged bakery foods that almost reached floor. Owner jerked leash. Walked off. Told no one. Impression lasts for me. Whenever I see a dog in market now. I remember imagery. From before.

Have seen dogs with mouth slobber. Tired from running. Or around food. Drooling. Shake heads in rotation. Slobber going everywhere. Several feet. Wonder if this happens in markets too?

This is pretty much exactly what I envisage would happen if dogs were allowed in supermarkets. They can't be monitored 100% of the time. And people have mentioned unhygienic humans. But humans don't cock the leg and wee! Less slobbering out of humans too.

AryaStark

Murrisk wrote: »

This is pretty much exactly what I envisage would happen if dogs were allowed in supermarkets. They can't be monitored 100% of the time. And people have mentioned unhygienic humans. But humans don't cock the leg and wee! Less slobbering out of humans too.

I was in the supermarket last week and a girl was getting sick into the freezer... her friend then picked up some pizza boxes and covered it up... I told a member of staff who called the cleaner. Humans are dirty scum!

Murrisk

AryaStark wrote: »

I was in the supermarket last week and a girl was getting sick into the freezer... her friend then picked up some pizza boxes and covered it up... I told a member of staff who called the cleaner. Humans are dirty scum!

Poor girl. Bit harsh calling them scum, no? And vomit is not pleasant but is not an argument for adding another layer of dirt in the form of dog urine, now is it?

Don't understand the "Yeah, well, humans are worse!" thing. Most humans aren't scummy.

_Brian

I think it's desperately unfair on everyone to bring a dog into a cafe, apart from the obvious smell the dogs can be a nuisance in the way, barking and frightening kids.

Personally if I were in a cafe with my kids and a dog was allowed in to disturb things I'd be asking the dog is removed or refusing to pay the bill.

freshpopcorn

_Brian wrote: »

I think it's desperately unfair on everyone to bring a dog into a cafe, apart from the obvious smell the dogs can be a nuisance in the way, barking and frightening kids.

Personally if I were in a cafe with my kids and a dog was allowed in to disturb things I'd be asking the dog is removed or refusing to pay the bill.

I live in a dog free house and if I ever visit anybody with a house dog. I always find a real smell of dog. These houses and dogs would always be kept clean but the smell of dog always lingers. They tend to have a load of Yankee candles lighting.

Zebra3

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I do miss dogs in pubs. Ireland has gone very sterile. There always used to be an oul lad with a dog in most pubs. Not anymore. I think that is a shame.

Drinking in pubs all around Ireland for the last 25 years. Never once have I seen a dog in a pub.

Yet, you always seen a dog in the pub, and always with the same type of person.

Mad that.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

It works perfectly well in other parts of Europe. We Irish have a pretty ignorant view on how pets are treated.

Have posters here read "Do you think people should be allowed to bring wild animals into shops/cafe/bar with them?"

Frightening children, oh please.

There should be at least pet designated areas in restaurants for pets dogs.

Murrisk

Messiah Squeaking Archivist wrote: »

Frightening children, oh please.

Yeah, and fuck those people with allergies too, right?

mahamageehad

How do people with allergies cope if they pass a dog on the street. Or sit in a car that a dog or cat has been in? Or talking to someone covered in pet hair? Genuine question to the person that said they're very allergic.

freshpopcorn

mahamageehad wrote: »

How do people with allergies cope if they pass a dog on the street. Or sit in a car that a dog or cat has been in? Or talking to someone covered in pet hair? Genuine question to the person that said they're very allergic.

They probably get very sneeze and uncomfortable especially in the car situation.

Murrisk

mahamageehad wrote: »

How do people with allergies cope if they pass a dog on the street. Or sit in a car that a dog or cat has been in? Or talking to someone covered in pet hair? Genuine question to the person that said they're very allergic.

Passing a dog in the street is very brief. And getting into cars where dogs have been does indeed cause problems for people I know with allergies and it's not pleasant. Ditto being near people covered in dog hairs. The people I know with allergies do what they can to minimise. But if they go into a restaurant and no pet is there currently, they might not know that a pet has been there, sit down and order and suddenly the eye-streaming starts.

mahamageehad

Murrisk wrote: »

Passing a dog in the street is very brief. And getting into cars where dogs have been does indeed cause problems for people I know with allergies and it's not pleasant. Ditto being near people covered in dog hairs. The people I know with allergies do what they can to minimise. But if they go into a restaurant and no pet is there currently, they might not know that a pet has been there, sit down and order and suddenly the eye-streaming starts.

Sounds like a pretty sucky allergy to have. Never known anyone to have it, although a cousin sneezes a bit with cats. I wonder is the rate of allergies in Ireland higher due to less exposure as a child?

_Brian

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I live in a dog free house and if I ever visit anybody with a house dog. I always find a real smell of dog. These houses and dogs would always be kept clean but the smell of dog always lingers. They tend to have a load of Yankee candles lighting.

Same.
People with dogs/cats become blind to their smell. ANY house I visit that
Has house dogs or cats smells musty and if dogs and cats. I appreciate the owner thinks this isn't the case but it is.
Lighting candles just means that you really do know your house is smelly