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Do men bother approaching women anymore?
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I dunno how genuine but it's very reflective of reality.0 -
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BorneTobyWilde wrote: »I dunno how genuine but it's very reflective of reality.
Could it look any more staged and scripted?
But even if it were real - the scientist in my would fault it. No control group. No methodology. A sample set of 1. And too many variables that fail the correlation-causation divide in the narrative.
For example she also found out in the dialogue that his condition was temporary not permanent. So one could _also_ put this video up and replace the "golddigger" narrative with a "handicap-ism" one and suggest she only wanted to date him once she realised he was not wheelchair bound forever.0 -
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Persephone kindness wrote: »That woman seems pretty aggressive to guys. I don't mean to seem oppositional or anything but is it possible that is just a way to make money? That is their goal? It just seems like some weird alternative reality And a woman saying it doesn't make it morally ok ...or less damaging
Maybe, and I understand your point of view. I think there is an element of aggression, but that maybe how she speaks. I dunno.
But the people who fully act on the aggressive element-yeah, they're gonna get brushed aside. Guaranteed women will tell em to get lost.
At least from my own experiences, I've seen aggressive jerks quickly told to get lost-or genuinely asked 'are you mentally handicapped?'. (Okay, the latter was asked to people I know, and this lady was asking them about somebody we knew. He was known to be a total jerk with ladies-even to his female friends, or saying he made out or had one night stands with girls who wouldn't even look at him. Yeah, that sort of jerk).Oh, I agree, the vast majority of guys, including guys who just want some advice from the PUA side are not at all dangerous and you sound like a completely normal, stable person, Rabble! And there's no harm in getting advice in What The Other Sex Wants (although anyone making blanket claims that This Works or All Men/Women Want X is probably lying).
Just there's an element of almost radicalisation amongst the nastier elements of PUAistry. Feeding on the weak or easily manipulated (which is by no means all involved, but the more RedPillish lot), enforcing beliefs of entitlement and superiority. That sort of mindset, when driven by hate and contempt, including self-hate, leads to tragedies.
Yeah, well, I try to be-I'm open about my issues, so I've got that going for me, which is nice. Also looking for a job atm, so if anyone has one going, I'd appreciate it.
:D:D
The radicalisation is seriously disturbing-It's very much reverse third waver feminism, i.e ignore what she says, you're entitled. While the third wavers would put men in camps to be rented out like books (Google Julie Bindel-that's what she'd like to do, and she gets a platform to say such crud too often).
Many of those who help women and men on the dating scene would tell the RSD guys to go to therapy. They are disturbed, to say the least. (Would you believe one of the RSD folks has a little girl, roughly 5 years old? Wonder would he be so free to coach guys to date her if she was 18).
You say severed heads under the bed-I say a neat conversation starter that shows I like to treasure my friends.Sorry, to clear up confusion; I was responding to both your post and RabbleRouser's. Reckoned he sounded stable and normal (although I shouldnt presume, he might have severed heads under the bed! :P)
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Yeah, as I mentioned before, the guys who do the self hate thing, take it out on other people-they're politely told to get lost.0 -
Widdershins wrote: »It's when you don't have the usual instinct to avoid them that - in my case it's the opposite- you need to exercise extra caution, I suppose.
Think about how poor Elaine O'Hara found herself caught up with that creature. There is an incredible pull for some people.
Great points. Why does Boards always come alive when I'm jaded
As you know I'm sort of in that category myself and of course the whole thing is only skin deep. Leaving aside the pretentious knobs who delude themselves into thinking they're truly unique, most of the kind of girls you describe that I know are very down to Earth. Some are a bit shy and I don't think it was ever their intention to appear hard. Some are a bit prickly but again that's just a defensive thing. One of my closest friends is ultra-goth but deeply traditional. She loves animals, cares deeply for her family and especially her grandfather, and the idea of a threesome really upset her. She has a tough streak but nobody is going to know it unless they seriously cross her or her friends!
Some men find it scary but I suspect they are little s**s who tend to treat women badly and are nervous of one who looks like she wouldn't tolerate that.
Yeah, O'Hara was an exceptional case, tbh. She'd had a history of mental health problems, had been in and out of care for a good deal of her life, and had been greatly taken advantage of. Most of us, even those of us who've gone through mental illness, would know that O'Hara was a rare case. It's sadly been shown that if your foundations in the beginning of life were difficult (as were hers) then it can affect your later relationships. It's often seen in individuals where one parent was abusive, they find it difficult later on in life (Halle Berry is a good example, tbh. Her dad was violent with her mom, then abandoned the family. Berry's relationships have been rather fraught with bad choices, to say the least-including the violent boyfriend or two).
O'Hara was a tragic figure-never found happiness in her brief life.
You and me both sister-I'm always the last one to the party, end up getting solo drunk on a naggin and a few cans.
Oh yeah-this girl was really down to earth-as are many I've met-Goth chicks I mean. (Some rather b!tchy and pretentious girls I knew grew to dislike her tho-the Italian lass I mean-in the space of two weeks it went from 'BFFs' to 'never talking to her again' and they never did either. She even did part-time modelling, acting and cosplay, had a great sense of humour too).
Like, I like ladies with a tough streak-but I hate, HATE, people who are overly smiley-like, you know they are gonna stab you in the back. Always. So I'm wary or stay away from em. If a girl is like that, I have zero interest.
The Goth chicks can be shy, or they can be tough, but I don't mind that-like I said, it is a shell or a mask they put up. And often I like working to understand the mask. And yeah, mostly traditional.
And I don't mess around on people-it's from growing up as a kid and seeing how it was frowned upon. My parents just held traditional values-as in if you're dating someone, you treat them with respect. Plus I saw the effect it had on friends of mine when they found out their girlfriends were two-timing em.
Wait--Threesomes--I never brought that up but I like where this is going...carry on-more details pls.
Taking MGTOW out the equation, I see no issue with men not pursuing the marriage and 2.4 kids route if that is what makes them happy. An example of this would be the Irish bachelor. They made the decision to stay single for genuine personal reasons (above board), and not because of some conspiracy theory that women were out to get them (not above board). Those men have always existed, and I am sure there are no less, or more, of them now than at any other stage.
While marriage rates might be slightly down, does this account for cohabiting, or single but seeing somebody etc? Not to mention society has undergone a lot of changes the past few decades, people have more options now and there is much less pressure to "go forth and multiply". Relationships might have changed, and will change in future, but I do not see a point in the future where we will have a large amount of men picking the bachelor route.
I'm seeing more women choosing this route, in their late teens and 20s, so it's not just a guy thing. They don't want kids either.
I can remember, from as early as a child, not wanting kids-like, I can hold a baby and look after it, but I don't want one of my own-I'm happy to give it back.
Also, I helped looked after a few ill family members in my time-and the toll it took (Even with others helping) just cemented my views. People tell me 'Oh, you'll love them cos their your own' but I can't tolerate anyones kids, and definitely not my own.con___manx1 wrote: »Was chatting up a girl last Saturday in a nightclub.i bought her a drink and as soon as she got it she fecked off ; ) met another girl outside a chipper got the snog off her but she had a bf and fecked off in a taxi : )went on a date Sunday. I met the girl online was chatting to her all last week and going on another date this week ; )
Consider yourself lucky you didn't get a punch, or dodged a bullet. The second girl would enforce the MGTOW movement if ever anything would. She sounds like the type of person to cheat on the boyfriend, get pregnant with the other guys kid, then tell the boyfriend the child was his.
I just don't tolerate cheaters-it's a horrible thing to do to someone.0 -
RabbleRouser2k wrote: »Yeah, O'Hara was an exceptional case, tbh. She'd had a history of mental health problems, had been in and out of care for a good deal of her life, and had been greatly taken advantage of. Most of us, even those of us who've gone through mental illness, would know that O'Hara was a rare case. It's sadly been shown that if your foundations in the beginning of life were difficult (as were hers) then it can affect your later relationships. It's often seen in individuals where one parent was abusive, they find it difficult later on in life (Halle Berry is a good example, tbh. Her dad was violent with her mom, then abandoned the family. Berry's relationships have been rather fraught with bad choices, to say the least-including the violent boyfriend or two).
O'Hara was a tragic figure-never found happiness in her brief life.
You and me both sister-I'm always the last one to the party, end up getting solo drunk on a naggin and a few cans.
Oh yeah-this girl was really down to earth-as are many I've met-Goth chicks I mean. (Some rather b!tchy and pretentious girls I knew grew to dislike her tho-the Italian lass I mean-in the space of two weeks it went from 'BFFs' to 'never talking to her again' and they never did either. She even did part-time modelling, acting and cosplay, had a great sense of humour too).
Like, I like ladies with a tough streak-but I hate, HATE, people who are overly smiley-like, you know they are gonna stab you in the back. Always. So I'm wary or stay away from em. If a girl is like that, I have zero interest.
The Goth chicks can be shy, or they can be tough, but I don't mind that-like I said, it is a shell or a mask they put up. And often I like working to understand the mask. And yeah, mostly traditional.
And I don't mess around on people-it's from growing up as a kid and seeing how it was frowned upon. My parents just held traditional values-as in if you're dating someone, you treat them with respect. Plus I saw the effect it had on friends of mine when they found out their girlfriends were two-timing em.
Wait--Threesomes--I never brought that up but I like where this is going...carry on-more details pls.
You're right, and the lady was obviously vulnerable when she met him, and he was a predator and homed in on that. At the same time, all the women in the kind of 'community' he was involved in online would have been potentially vulnerable, to a lesser extent. The main difference is probably that they had more of a guard up and they might be less inclined to forming a dependency. So while it might be true that most people are not dangerous, those who are attracted to men with a dark streak and mix in those circles, are already in a riskier position when it comes to potentially mixing with predatory types. I think there's a higher chance of the dangerous ones being drawn to that 'scene' in the first place. (And there are distinctly dodgy women in those circles too, in my opinion. People generally know who to steer clear of, but newcomers might not be so discerning, and I know two men who are unabashedly willing to put up with ''anything'' to keep such, let's say ''dangerous'' women in their lives.)
And there are more ordinary people involved in these scenes than people think.
I stay out of it, mainly because of the ridiculous personalities rather than the danger.
The goth girl who was frozen out by the other women...were they also a bit goth or were they ordinary women? That's sad, but not unusual
Also, you previously mentioned a friend saying that goth girl's looks were down to makeup...I have noticed that ordinary makeup is designed to look subtle, but can involve a lot of products and lots of layers, but I'd wear dark black eyeliner and possibly lipstick, and because it's bold, I probably look like I'm wearing more than someone with all the products and layers. I think a lot of ordinary peoples' looks are all makeup.
I think on the subject of children, it's a good thing some people recognise that they don't want to have them rather than going ahead for the sake of it. I'm convinced many people have them purely because they think it's expected of them.0 -
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BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
I dunno how genuine but it's very reflective of reality.
Scripted as fcuk I'd say0 -
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Yep, it is. That's how those kinda "philosophies" operate. Take a kernel of truth that is demonstrable and pretty obvious, then when people buy into that, pile on layers of bullsh1t on top and they're more likely to swallow the bullsh1t. Bait and switch. The PUA guys do it, as do the red pill, hell the media feminists do it.
at least it operates in the "marketplace of ideas" so you can come to your own conclusions and look at it sceptically. The feminists have whole university departments backing them up and not much in the way of debate within their circles. Men tend to be a lot more critical of each other so you tend to have a lot of disagreement between the mgtow at one end and the traditionalists at the other.
Ill get worried when you have men's studies departments being set up handing out degrees in pick up artistry A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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