BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

Peregrine

Do people actually believe that the NBRU have the people's best interests at heart and that they've been spreading anything close to resembling facts during this consultation?

The NBRU officials will be happy to let the people suffer under an antiquated bus system crippling under pressure if it keeps them getting elected. And their outbursts this summer were akin to that of a petulent child.

dashcamdanny

Peregrine wrote: »

Do people actually believe that the NBRU have the people's best interests at heart and that they've been spreading anything close to resembling facts during this consultation?

The NBRU officials will be happy to let the people suffer under an antiquated bus system crippling under pressure if it keeps them getting elected. And their outbursts this summer were akin to that of a petulent child.

Could you please link us to the lies you claim they are spreading?

MJohnston

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Could you please link us to the lies you claim they are spreading?

It's further back in the thread. They were spreading "information" leaflets at public meetings with deceptions on them.

downtheroad

http://www.thejournal.ie/chapelizod-bus-connects-4204284-Aug2018/

MJohnston

downtheroad wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/chapelizod-bus-connects-4204284-Aug2018/

People are reliably myopic - they're complaining that buses through there are continually full, but the reason for that is because so many major routes are sent into Chapelizod already full from much further out! The changes will give those buses more efficient routes, and Chapelizod will be left with a much more predictable and accessible service, albeit one with a lower frequency (that better matches the population density in that area mind you).

sharper

downtheroad wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/chapelizod-bus-connects-4204284-Aug2018/

It doesn't matter whether it's busconnects or some other plan, Chapelizod is never going to retain its current (perceived) service level long term.

There are estates and areas on the other end of long running routes that have zero bus service and they can never have it under the current system. Giving one group of people a bus every 7 minutes and another group none is not workable.

Edit: The guy wait the "Waiting for the 67" poster is a great example. He has a long wait because that route takes well over an hour to go end to end and gets stuck in traffic at multiple points.

Sam Russell

Surely Busconnects needs to get the message out that this is a plan that will adapt as demand changes. Full buses will give rise to increased frequency, and under-subscribed services will see a drop in frequency - a 'use it or lose it' approach.

If the Busconnect plan means faster journey times, even with transfers, then it will be a success. Look at all the negative pre-launch reaction to Luas, and now it is universally accepted it as a success, and 'can we have more of it please'.

CatInABox

MJohnston wrote: »

People are reliably myopic - they're complaining that buses through there are continually full, but the reason for that is because so many major routes are sent into Chapelizod already full from much further out! The changes will give those buses more efficient routes, and Chapelizod will be left with a much more predictable and accessible service, albeit one with a lower frequency (that better matches the population density in that area mind you).

They complain about not being able to get on two or three buses with a 5 minute schedule at peak times, but don't mention the fact that the 14 will run every 15 minutes at peak, and will be empty because it's only just after leaving Liffey Valley.

Varta

If you check the proposed route the number 14 will also serve part of Clondalkin and most of Palmerstown, so it is likely to be full at peak time when it reaches Chapelizod with no other alternative for Chapelizod passengers. Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

sharper

Varta wrote: »

If you check the proposed route the number 14 will also serve part of Clondalkin and most of Palmerstown, so it is likely to be full at peak time when it reaches Chapelizod with no other alternative for Chapelizod passengers. Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

Palmerstown is also right next to the C spine which will be taking the direct route into the city plus have the G2 running to TCD.

Podge_irl

Varta wrote: »

If you check the proposed route the number 14 will also serve part of Clondalkin and most of Palmerstown, so it is likely to be full at peak time when it reaches Chapelizod with no other alternative for Chapelizod passengers. Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

The only way it would make sense for someone from Palmerstown to get on the 14 is if they are actually going to Chapelizod or Islandbridge though. It would be a silly way to get into town.

CatInABox

Varta wrote: »

If you check the proposed route the number 14 will also serve part of Clondalkin and most of Palmerstown, so it is likely to be full at peak time when it reaches Chapelizod with no other alternative for Chapelizod passengers. Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

People in Clondalkin will get the 14 to Liffey Valley and interchange onto the C spine, as it'll be far faster than the 14 all the way into town.

People in Palmerstown will be able to walk to the C spine, as it'll be far faster than the 14 all the way into town.

14 buses will be near empty going into Chapelizod.

gmisk

Varta wrote: »

Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

its a nice sentiment....but isnt most of irelands public transport losing money hand over fist?


I think they need to stop "free passes" (bar elderly or carers) that would raise some money!

cgcsb

Varta wrote: »

If you check the proposed route the number 14 will also serve part of Clondalkin and most of Palmerstown, so it is likely to be full at peak time when it reaches Chapelizod with no other alternative for Chapelizod passengers. Public transport needs to be frequent for all users and as near as possible to free.

No. You'd be bonkers to get the 14 from Palmerstown when you can get on the C buses and bypass Chapelizod at continuouse 60km/hr speed and not stop until you get to the memorial gardens. The 14 is a Chapelizod bus a half hourly service almost completely dedicated to the small number of people living there.

Wheety

CatInABox wrote: »

People in Clondalkin will get the 14 to Liffey Valley and interchange onto the C spine, as it'll be far faster than the 14 all the way into town.

People in Palmerstown will be able to walk to the C spine, as it'll be far faster than the 14 all the way into town.

14 buses will be near empty going into Chapelizod.

At the moment, there are several buses which go through Palmerstown and down the bypass. People still get Chapilizod buses because so many of the bypass buses don't even stop as they are packed.

Qrt

downtheroad wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/chapelizod-bus-connects-4204284-Aug2018/

The comments section is nowhere near as horrendous as I expected it to be.

Podge_irl

Wheety wrote: »

At the moment, there are several buses which go through Palmerstown and down the bypass. People still get Chapilizod buses because so many of the bypass buses don't even stop as they are packed.

Except now all the buses will be taking the bypass except this new service. There is no way anyone with sense will be getting on this bus in Palmerstown to go to town.

Wheety

Podge_irl wrote: »

Except now all the buses will be taking the bypass except this new service. There is no way anyone with sense will be getting on this bus in Palmerstown to go to town.

Yes they will. It's all very well saying these people can just walk here and those can just change bus etc. but when it comes to it people will get a bus that's close to them and one they don't have to change from.

Sure the 26 from Palmerstown is packed by the time it gets to the 4th stop (before the fork for Chapilizod/bypass) and this bus will be starting back in Liffey Valley and going through some of Clondalkin first?

salmocab

Thinking on this, if people get buses to the spine routes and can’t board a bus within just a few minutes then this will crumble under political pressure in record time. My local bus is getting turned into a feeder and if I was to get that then saw 2/3 full spine buses pass me then I’ll be shouting at all my local politicians as I’m sure plenty will. The capacity on the main spines and the times between the physical busses will be the key I think

CatInABox

Wheety wrote: »

Yes they will. It's all very well saying these people can just walk here and those can just change bus etc. but when it comes to it people will get a bus that's close to them and one they don't have to change from.

That's the opposite of what the people of Dublin said when they were surveyed about BusConnects.

Wheety wrote: »

Sure the 26 from Palmerstown is packed by the time it gets to the 4th stop (before the fork for Chapilizod/bypass) and this bus will be starting back in Liffey Valley and going through some of Clondalkin first?

In this case, again, people would be better off getting the 14 to the bypass and getting onto one of the C spines again.

There will be enough capacity, at peak times the buses will be arriving once every three minutes.

ILBondo

The 14 will have a 15 minute frequency in rush hour and unlike the 25, 66 and 67 it won't be packed with Lucan, Celbridge, Leixlip and Maynooth commuters as it will originate closer to Chapelizoid in Liffey Valley. If the 14 Bus doesn't work out i will eat my words, but it seems like they are getting a good deal.

Spanish Eyes

Wheety wrote: »

Yes they will. It's all very well saying these people can just walk here and those can just change bus etc. but when it comes to it people will get a bus that's close to them and one they don't have to change from.

Sure the 26 from Palmerstown is packed by the time it gets to the 4th stop (before the fork for Chapilizod/bypass) and this bus will be starting back in Liffey Valley and going through some of Clondalkin first?

Why wouldn't someone get off at the by pass and whizz into town on the C spine instead of meandering through Chapelizod? I know they can do that now, but with hugely increased frequency it might make more sense. Reliability of connections on the C are crucial though. Otherwise most people will just stay on the 14 anyway.

From what I remember the 26 hasn't gone further than the cemetery (outbound) for years. So those mostly using it must be taking it from the bypass onwards only two stops if I recall correctly.

Anyway, the 14 will be a great asset to anyone living at the top of Kennelsfort Road and Whitethorn. They have had zero service up to now apart from the 18.

Looking at the map I cannot see where the 14 goes through parts of Clondalkin. Seems to just take a right into LV at B+Q and stop at the new interchange. I could be wrong though.

Dravokivich

Clondalkin is expected to be served by luas. Thought I saw there'll be a feeder to it?

StreetLight

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Anyway, the 14 will be a great asset to anyone living at the top of Kennelsfort Road and Whitethorn. They have had zero service up to now apart from the 18.

And the 40. And the 76. And the 76A.

Spanish Eyes

StreetLight wrote: »

And the 40. And the 76. And the 76A.

76 route is not happening post BC.

40 is a bit of a trek from the points I mentioned. But look, let's wait and see.

Sam Russell

The 90 min fare will mean that commuters will get to work cheaper than currently. Higher frequency on the spines will mean they get to work quicker. Is that what every commuter wants, so what is there not to like?

howiya

Sam Russell wrote: »

The 90 min fare will mean that commuters will get to work cheaper than currently. Higher frequency on the spines will mean they get to work quicker. Is that what every commuter wants, so what is there not to like?

Has there been a price proposed for the 90 min fare yet?

Dardania

Sam Russell wrote: »

The 90 min fare will mean that commuters will get to work cheaper than currently. Higher frequency on the spines will mean they get to work quicker. Is that what every commuter wants, so what is there not to like?

Doesn’t matter to people on free travel.

Dravokivich

Sam Russell wrote: »

The 90 min fare will mean that commuters will get to work cheaper than currently. Higher frequency on the spines will mean they get to work quicker. Is that what every commuter wants, so what is there not to like?

We dont know how much any such fare would be. That's just an idea. Nta can turn around and say it's already covered by leap90.

KD345

Sam Russell wrote: »

The 90 min fare will mean that commuters will get to work cheaper than currently. Higher frequency on the spines will mean they get to work quicker. Is that what every commuter wants, so what is there not to like?

The actual fares have not been revealed.
Not all spines are higher frequency than what’s currently there. Some routes are dropping in frequency, some have an increase.
There will be winners and losers here, but it’s probably wrong to claim this plan is what “every commuter” wants.