BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502205#Comment_122502205

I have seen them at Blanchardstown Centre and also at the bridge under the N3 at Mill Road (old entrance to Blanchardstown hospital). I assume they are also up along the Navan Road.

thomasj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502194#Comment_122502194

I've seen these in a few places the last few days , they're at blanchardstown centre , they're also on the railings just before the 39a enters the n3 inbound and a bit further down at the back of whitestown.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122502487#Comment_122502487

Thanks for that. Much appreciated.

I would appeal to people to please try to differentiate between "Spines" and "Core Bus Corridors" when they are posting, as they are two completely separate projects and given that most Spines operate on both sides of the city centre it's just confusing when people use that term when they are in fact referring to Core Bus Corridors.

LXFlyer

The revised timetable on the 65, which involves two extra trips each way, and some additional running time for early morning journeys comes into effect from Monday, 26th August.

A new route 65a from Blessington to the Square will start on the same date filling a couple of gaps in the 65 timetable.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/nta-and-dublin-bus-announce-enhancement-to-service-in-the-tallaght-blessington-area

NTA and Dublin Bus announce enhancements to services in the Tallaght / Blessington Area

14 August 2024

Service levels on bus routes between Blessington/ Ballymore and Tallaght are to increase by almost 20% from Monday 26 August 2024. 

Under the new timetables, there will be four additional services daily on the 65 between Blessington/ Ballymore and Poolbeg St.

This means that the total number of inbound services to city centre increases to 18, and the total number of outbound services from the city centre increases to 17.

In addition, the 65A is to be introduced that will run from Blessington to Tallaght, Monday to Friday. This will serve the Square, Tallaght Hospital and offers onward connectivity via Luas and other bus services. There will be two departures from Blessington at 10.30 and 12.00, with a departure from Tallaght at 11.15.

These changes have been introduced as part of the TFI network of services.

View New 65a Timetable

View Revised 65 Timetable

dublinman1990

Is the new 65a route a bare bones version of the L44 that will eventually go between Blessington & Tallaght?

DaBluBoi

You'd think that, given GAI's Ballymount garage is closest to Tallaght, that they'd get to operate the 65a, but no. I suppose the 'A Spine' changes are still a couple years away. Also, I was under the impression that all 65 duties started from and ended in the city centre, asides from some morning or evening departures

john boye

I don't think any 65s finish outside, apart from that afternoon schools turn?

trellheim

The two signs I have seen for the B spine works are Prussia St and Hanlons Corner

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504464#Comment_122504464

It's literally only two departures in each direction and will most likely be worked on the 65s bill I'd imagine

BlueSkyDreams

Transport analyst on the radio this morning that was complaining about the further, but entirely predictable, delay of Metrolink.

He mentioned BusConnects and although not opposed to the cash being invested in the scheme, he was very derisory about buses being presented as the core solution to Dublin's PT requirements.

I get where he was coming from, but still surprised to hear it on national radio.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504588#Comment_122504588

That’s the Blanchardstown Core Bus Corridor.

You seem to have a complete and bizarre aversion to using the correct terminology, which as I said does matter.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504464#Comment_122504464

You have to remember that the extra services added to the 65/65a are principally to deal with the unplanned additional demand generated by the centre at Crooksling.

I suspect that is the budget that is funding them, not the Transport budget.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504588#Comment_122504588

DCC have an awful habit of announcing projects and then just completely forgetting about them. For example: queen St to Thomas St 2 way cycle route, ratoath road cycle scheme, north Stephens green pedestrianisation, east NCR cycling scheme etc. Every year they either add another year to the timeline or stop talking about the project entirely. Then they tweet that they're increasing Dublin's segregated cycle network from 10kms to 350kms, and the numbers never change, same tween goes out periodically for the last 3 years or so.

Anyway one of these never never projects was an upgrade of the hanlons corner junction, supposed to be delivered in 2021, I wonder will bus connects get there first a d they can stop pretending.

VonLuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504823#Comment_122504823

Ah give the person a break. Your average person may not know, or care, about the difference between the two. The B-spine runs along the Blanchardstown bus corridor and is used synonymously even though the B-spine may cover two bus corridors.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504985#Comment_122504985

To be fair, I would, except that I have pointed it out numerous times.

They aren’t synonymous. That’s the point - they are different projects and I’m trying to get people to understand that difference.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504985#Comment_122504985

Wasting your time. Some folks just live for pedantry. Everyone knows the intended meaning but there'll always be someone looking to make a mountain out of it.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505371#Comment_122505371

I certainly will never apologise for being someone who does think that details do matter.

To be honest, it’s generally a better criticism to receive, than to be accused of making sweeping statements about things, than are often wildly misleading.

Details matter in life - they often are what makes the difference between success and failure, and they help avoid confusion.

We’ve seen enough examples of that over the years from our transport operators & the NTA when they’ve got the details wrong in running times, maps timetables, publicity etc., etc.

Personally I think that the NTA should have used different project names for the network redesign and the infrastructure projects as far too many people (including politicians) have (understandably) been confused by this.

I’ll leave it at that.

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504623#Comment_122504623

He's right. It is nuts that we are relying on buses at this stage and it is a band-aid over years of inaction. We have a dart network that, to this day, is less than what was planned for over half a century ago. Not only that, but the future rail network of Dublin, once ML, D+ and planned Luas lines are developed, still very much feel like something that was planned without any consideration for the network effect/benefit of a well-connected transit network. When it is finished, it is going to be so disjointed as to lack a lot of the advantages you would get from a network effect of a better more wholistically planned rail network.

pk1991

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505687#Comment_122505687

We need much more investment in rail and prioritised; The rail review has backed that up. Dart Ungerground should not of been long-fingered again. A proper East <> West link is needed and, no, the phoenix park tunnel is not sufficient.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504623#Comment_122504623

True but bus connects is something we should have had a long time ago, so is Dart expansion and metrolink. What can we do with a century of no investment but start somewhere.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504623#Comment_122504623

Which programme was that on?

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122505921#Comment_122505921

And people argue that buses are a quick fix solution to public transport problems, but BusConnects is proving that, in Dublin at least, there's nothing quick about it - we'd probably be just as fast getting started on planning a more extensive metro network.

Brian CivilEng

Looking out of the window of the DART while crossing the loop line bridge this morning all I could see was a sea of yellow double decker buses. Whatever about new routes and corridors, I don’t think there is much cross city capacity left for bus vehicles. Will be interesting to see if the new traffic plan helps.
Where bus connects needs to intervene is ensuring that people who don’t need to go to the city centre aren’t funneled there by bus routes. The likes of the O or N2 can’t come soon enough.

Daith

Buses are still going to be the backbone of Dublin's transport for a long while yet. When the Luas or Dart has an issue, it's the bus they're pointing customers too.

pk1991

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507173#Comment_122507173

That is very true and, to be fair, it is clear that the NTA are actively trying to improve the services; 24 hour services rolling out and more orbtal routes are fantastic. We are just overreliant on buses, it needs to be more balanced amognst multiple modes, and sometimes I think that there is a weird cultural adversion to rail. We will happily spend hundreds of millions of roads but investment in rail seems to always be an issue and takes far far too long. But hopefully that changes over time!

Long story short - I love the train :D

coylemj

Does anyone know if the 145 service will be scrapped when they launch the E spine?

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122510933#Comment_122510933

Yes

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122510933#Comment_122510933

The 145 will be replaced by the E1 between Bray and the city centre, and the 4 will apparently be re-routed to operate between Heuston Station and Monkstown.

markest

Any news on 84x replacement X1/X2 whether timetable will be improved?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122511200#Comment_122511200

We won't know if service levels will change from the frequencies in the plan until the NTA actually announces the launch of the Spine, and when that will be is anyone's guess.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122511168#Comment_122511168

I'm guessing that would mean the 4 would move to Donnybrook or Conygham Road (less likely). I could see Harristown work on the E spine.

cantthinkofausername1

Is the O route coming in the next phase too or is that coming later, if the O is coming later then the 11 would temporarily take over the northern half of the 46a routing

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122514731#Comment_122514731

Later.

thomasj

I see the CPO notices are up for the Swords Road QBC as well.

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122514731#Comment_122514731

The plan is for the 11 to take over the northern half of the 46a. The 4 is also being rerouted to cover the 145 routing from Aston Quay to Heuston as far as I know. Both routes will have their northern half sections covered off by the E-spine in some shape or form

whosedaddy?

Got leaflet from local politician ths week. Contrary the mention of November date for E-spine in theis thread, it still mentions September for E- and Q1(ish) 25 for F-spine.

Unfortunately the new 24 (which would be great for me personally as cross town replacement for the 11) is not part of E-spine, but seem to launch alongside the 23 with the F-spine..

Midnight_EG

September won't be happening anyway, we haven't received route training. I do know we're getting a new bill in November to compensate for the 11s and the addition of the 4 so that's that time line on it really.

ITV2

Noticed new bus stop/gate marking on the Herbert road in the Bray this morning for the L12. It's looking like November for changes to happen. (E1/E2).

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122518140#Comment_122518140

Are the 11s leaving Donnybrook?

BusGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122521071#Comment_122521071

I'd say no, cause if the 11 is going to replace some parts of the 46A, and Donnybrook operates the 46A, I think the 11 will stay.

BusGuy

Also, is there no timeline for future phases around? I saw one on Twitter a few months back, but it's way outdated.

cgcsb

The NTA isn't going to commit to a timeliness at this point I'd say

BusGuy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122521328#Comment_122521328

The timeline wasn't from the NTA, it was from a TD on Twitter, forgot the name tho.

Midnight_EG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122521071#Comment_122521071

No, just changing to go to the Park

dublinman1990

I've seen two L25's buses being bunched together while they were going to Dun Laoghaire just before 2:10pm this afternoon. This could mean that one of these buses were running late and the other one was running on time. It's not very common for me to see the L25 running late in it's timetable. Can anyone take a guess as to what is happening along that route today?

I was also watching a youtube video of an EW bus going along the L59 route which runs between River Forest & Hazelhatch and Celbridge last night. The internal public announcement system was having a major issue with announcing the stops through it's speakers when they were switched on inside the bus. One possible issue from reading a post on Reddit during the week is that if you're apparently wearing bluetooth headphones or earphones while you are a passenger in these new battery electric buses; there would be interference by way of an EMP (electro magnetic pulse) coming from the signal within your bluetooth headphones which may affect the functionality of the public announcement system from working properly for the driver and other passengers. I am not sure if there are other issues with how the internal speakers fail inside these buses.

However there was no issues with the screens which displayed the names of the bus stops along the route. They all worked perfectly well as expected.

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535760#Comment_122535760

In terms of the L25, the roadworks along Stillorgan Park are still ongoing so may be contributing to some delays along the route.

Qrt

has anyone passed the hazel hatch works? Absolutely dying for the route to be connected up, W62 is just too much of a mouthful

dublinman1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122535845#Comment_122535845

Ah okay. I would assume that some of the newer bus routes from the E-Spine phase like the P11 & P12 will be rolled out, depending on resources, when the roadworks are still a work in progress along the Stillorgan Park Road later this year?

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122536971#Comment_122536971

I would say there's only around a month of works left, it's just the section from Grove Avenue to the N11 that's still being worked on currently.

trellheim

Looking at that leaflet above, the N2 will now no longer serve Infirmary Road . I am surprised they are leaving it running along Blackhorse avenue, seems like instead going up Old Cabra Road and along Ratoath Rd to reach Broombridge would have been better. That stretch of Ratoath road is currently not served by bus, and the 37 is already serving the stretch in I am talking about coming off .

And It would also allow serving the Deaf village and swimming pool on Ratoath road as well, and front door access to Colaiste Mhuire

The only downside I can see is 10 mins extra walk to Dublin Zoo but I suspect that might change once infrastructure goes into place to allow the O route to cross the liffey and the N2 can be rerouted back to Infirmary road