BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

AngryLips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212611#Comment_120212611

Sorry I've often missed buses walking from Tara Street to the 14 stop because you can't get through the throngs of people scrambling to board the 15.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120211905#Comment_120211905

I'm not saying other cities don't have good bus services - I'm saying that most cities don't have bus services that treat core parts of the city centre as a makeshift outdoor bus station. It's one of the reasons contributing towards making entire sections of the quays so completely shabby looking. You could draw a line from Liberty Hall through to Hapenny Bridge that's just one giant wall of buses, probably the most trafficked and most photographed parts of the Liffey is also the most unpleasant.

thomasj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203189#Comment_120203189

The irony of this!

StreetLight

^

Is it any wonder people still tweet Dublin Bus about a Go Ahead issue?

saulmerton

There will be no new VT or bendy buses coming, the NTA in their infinite wisdom have already purchased the next generation of fully electric buses last year, they are currently parked up in north Dublin, 100+ of them, you see the NTA being big brains purchased these fully electric buses without checking to see if any DB depots had the ability to charge them, alas they dont, new electrical supply lines and sub station will have to be installed by the ESB, no big deal you say, well the nearest to Donnybrook is in Ballsbridge, the road from there to the depo will have to be dug up and new cables laid, in other words a big expensive job, i expect other depos are the same.

Big brain NTA decision as usual, and no one held accountable for this disaster, 100+ buses rotting away, bit pointless buying them dont you think, never mind that they cant run them due to lack of drivers.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213563#Comment_120213563

Oxford circus? It's the same in most cities in Ireland and the UK.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213563#Comment_120213563

Given that we rely on the bus service as the mainstay of public transport in the city, it’s inevitable that there will be a confluence of routes in the city centre to facilitate connections, and the revised BusConnects plan for the city centre recognises that.

The Dame St/College Green axis is being removed from the bus network, which means more buses have to use the Quays instead, and over the years various other streets have been removed from the bus network to facilitate LUAS, reducing the number of city centre stop locations.

Where exactly do you expect the buses to go?

We have to be realistic about this.

cgcsb

There's loads of room. Just need to get cars out of the way. A quays car ban from Jervis St to Butt Bridge would resolve all these issues and create an instant liffey cycle route, you'd just need to cpo Arnotts and Fleet St car park and convert them to bike storage. We'd save billions.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215960#Comment_120215960

Has there been any indication of such a plan being proposed, or is that just your idea?

Incidentally, the part of the post that I was responding to was the complaint about the number of buses on the Quays. The number of buses there are going to increase further when the D-Spine happens and more routes are re-routed away from Dame Street to the Quays.

Hotblack Desiato

"Save billions" by not building the metro that's desperately needed?

When is this country finally going to grow up and stop constantly trying to cheap out with half-arsed solutions that don't work?

cgcsb

With the car lane gone the footpath will be double or triple as big so the busses won't appear to be that dominant from the pedestrian pov.

There's no specific project as of yet but the NTA are looking to scope their 'pathfinder' projects one of which is a reduction in car use focusing on the Quays, Tara St and Beresford Place.

bk

The idea of CPOing the car parks and converting them to bike parking really isn't a bad idea. It would kill two birds with one stone.

Have you guys seen all the videos in the past few weeks of the incredible new underwater bike parking facility they just opened in Amsterdam next to the train station?

€60m and can park 7,000 bikes and looks very fancy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqwasBTzZS8

CPOing some of the car parks and doing something similar to the Brown Thomas and Fleet St car parks (without the need of being underground) really could help change the city.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216168#Comment_120216168

I’m just trying to differentiate between what you would like to happen, and what is actually planned - I don’t that there has been a suggestion that the pathfinder plans go so far as eliminating cars from the Quays.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216250#Comment_120216250

Ok so above is what I'd like to happen.

The pathfinder projects will not be that ambitious and will likely seek to maintain access to car parks but they will seek to remove through traffic as much as possible. On the quays most likely that means an Eden Quay car ban so traffic on bachelors walk must turn onto O'Connell St and banning cars from Aston Quay between OCS and Bedford Row. That way both car parks remain open.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216314#Comment_120216314

Thanks for clarifying.

Perhaps speculative ideas such as this deserves a thread of its own, as they are worth discussion in their own right, and this one could stick to what is actually happening?

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120216926#Comment_120216926

Perhaps you should learn what the conditional tense is, participate in an open discussion like an adult and stop presuming you can chastise me or any other poster with your passive aggression for engaging in an open discussion.

What is happening is already well covered so discussing potentially associated projects that will be complementary or even necessary to support bus connects is hardly off topic and it seems you're the only one who takes issue with it.

brianc89

Has Google maps updated the live timetabling for Dublin Bus?

There are delays and cancellations on the bus stop locations...

Peregrine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214295#Comment_120214295

"purchased these fully electric buses without checking to see if any DB depots had the ability to charge them".

Dublin Bus was told they'd need to install chargers over two years ago. What happened?

What happened with the procurement for chargers DB ran in 2021 which collapsed requiring them to start all over again? Come back to me when you have these answers.

saulmerton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222004#Comment_120222004

What "event" occurred since early 2020 to late 2022 that shut down the entire country , not just the public transport industry?

DB was officially out of funds from summer 2020, having spent ALL RESERVES running a practically full service when everyone was in lockdown?

Who controls the purse strings?

Who claws back money from the DB budget if/when they make a profit?

Maybe this profit could have been spent on installing new electric cables and substations?

Who purchased 100+ fully electric buses when there is ZERO facilities to charge said buses in any DB depot?

It is not rocket science, but the anti DB brigade have blinkers on, the NTA cant be criticized, the fact is 100+ fully electric buses where purchased by The NTA and are rotting away as we speak as no charging facilities are available at DB or GAI, now who is to blame fore this fiasco?

saulmerton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215960#Comment_120215960

No need for car ban, just ban Taxis from CC from 16:00 to 19:00, the bus is held up by Taxis, people avoid CC in their cars, its all TAXIS causing the problems.

Fizzy Duck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226153#Comment_120226153

Summerhill should have chargers in place for March/April.

brianc89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226162#Comment_120226162

They should just add a taxi peak time charge of 10euro to use College Green. This will limit taxi usage as the bus will become cheaper for groups of 2 or 3 people heading out in town.

rx8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226365#Comment_120226365

Work in Ringsend starting this Monday 13th.

Qŵèrþÿ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119126365#Comment_119126365

There may not be a frequency loss per se, but there’s a loss of potential frequency increase.

Look at it this way.

If X number of buses are operating over a distance of, let’s say 40 kilometres resulting in a frequency of a service every 30 minutes and suddenly we have a reduced number of buses operating over a 20 km distance with a frequency of 30 minutes. It doesn’t take Stephen Hawking to deduce that fleet on the route is reduced.

What’s happening to that fleet and why can’t it be maintained to give a frequency of 15 mins to compensate for the loss of direct service?

cgcsb

Before anyone jumps up and down, it's not strictly part of bus connects but complementary to it. Some details of the path finder projects will soon be announced and it seems DCC have gone ambitious with a 2 way cycle lane on the south quays from Matt Talbot Bridge to Ha'penny Bridge. Meaning a significant car ban on Aston Quay

https://irishcycle.com/2023/02/11/two-way-cycle-path-planned-on-south-quays-between-hapenny-bridge-and-docklands/

noelfirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120230229#Comment_120230229

Where are you getting the car ban bit from?

brianc89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231159#Comment_120231159

Too many conflicts already on that route. They'll have to ban the right turn from Burgh Quay to OCS I would say.

Qŵèrþÿ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231164#Comment_120231164

Will cyclists and e scooters also be banned from turning right?

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231159#Comment_120231159

Only way to fit it.

brianc89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231364#Comment_120231364

I'm not sure how exactly e scooters are classified these days, but for sure cyclists will be allowed to turn right!!!

Qŵèrþÿ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231407#Comment_120231407

Either the right turn ban applies to all or it applies to none.