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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion
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I hope this screenshot from the report helps reduce some of the confusion about these core routes. I have to say, bus stop signs like this would look great and really help reduce confusion IMO:
I'm fairly sure this'll have to change to comply with the Official Languages Act, and rightly so. Maybe Irish one side and English on the other?0 -
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The original names of all five areas are all Irish so I won't be letting that go easily. The lack of a scrolling "An chéad stad eile" on (exclusively) the red line already p*sses me off enough.
Exactly those names are already derived from Irish, so why not just use the one name that everyone knows them by anyway, both English and Irish speakers.
Sure use Dun Laoghaire for it, but just use Tallaght, Terenure, etc. for those. They are Irish derived anyway.
BTW Tallaght is derived from támh-leacht, which translates as "plague pit"
The folks of Tallaght would love that.LeinsterDub wrote: »Urban Gaeltachtanna are the fastest growth areas for Irish. Much like everything else in the world Ireland is becoming more urban. Most signs which are dual lingual in Ireland are tastefully done.
And yet nearly all the mono-lingual Irish speakers are gone. All those Urban Gaeilgeoirí speak English too and it is pure tokenism. And in my experience, most of them just use the commonly used names that we all know for places. The ones I know I've never heard them say Binn Éadair, they just say Howth in the sentence like the rest of us.
Most of the place names in Dublin end up falling into one of three categories:
- Just turning a purely English name into Irish, Sraid <English name> with a fuda stuck on somewhere :rolleyes:
- Names that area already derived from Irish anyway, so why bother.
- The Irish name is so different from the English name that an Irish speaker probably doesn't know where that is anyway and ends up just reading the English one anyway (e.g. Howth).
It is all really silly.
And as you know it isn't always done well on our public transport. It is particularly bad with the next bus stop signs inside Dublin Buses. Because of the Irish they often don't get a chance to show the English name before the bus has already passed the stop, terrible experience for pretty much everyone.
The RTPI screens are somewhat compromised too. You can clearly see most people just waiting for the screen to return to English.
And everyone hates the way Irish Rail announcements drone on for ever.
Could you add Irish to the above sign, of course and now the text of both is smaller and harder to read for everyone, silly tokenism.0 -
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Last tweet in the thread just adds to all the issues - someone in the NTA apparently not understanding the damn thing.
This is the greatest opportunity Dublin's Bus Service has ever had for a resurgence,but the early signs are that Ireland's Administrative Elite will reduce Jarrett Walkers work to a meaningless hash of confusion and "Local" compromises.
BusConnects,the plan,is a single well considered and workable entity,what we are now seeing is the usual collection of Long-Service eejits,who broke the thing in the first place,now queing up to break this before it shows them up for the charlatans that they are......(Ref: College Green)
Jarrett Walker knows his onions...Busconnects,as a plan FAR exceeds the combined results of EVERY other study (and there have been MANY !) carried out on Dublins Bus Services over the past 70 years,and yet our collective wisdom is to give credence to ill informed,non-researched faux Journalism,and Politically motivated sectionalism.
If ever this country needed a benign Dictator,it's now !!! Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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