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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion
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Like busaras? Real benefit to the environs that is
Or Perhaps like the giant bus shed they wanted to turn temple bar into
Can't see a giant bus stop being too popular an idea
BusArás of it's time was hugely advanced and it's very conception was way beyond the norms in the British Isles.
The notion of a central covered Bus Station,adjacent to the then very busy North Wall Ferries to Britain,with a cinema devoted to "live" Pathé newsreel news coverage,and rooftop restaurants,with the office space given over to the HQ of the State's Transport Authority...this was far beyond what a small,virtually broke,fledgling State,should have been capable of.
I can't help seeing a trace of this willingness to stride forward,in the original CIE/ S.O &M Temple Bar proposal,which sadly fell viction to the personal plans of the then Taoiseach,CJ Haughey...and it was far,far more than a giant "Bus Shed",that much is clear.
https://comeheretome.com/2013/10/24/the-failed-central-bus-station-temple-bar/In 1977, the following proposal for a Central Bus Station was put forward. Designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill LLP, this development would span the River Liffey, with development on Ormond Quay designed to complement that in Temple Bar. Looking at Dame Street and Wellington Quay on the map, the sheer scale of this proposal is apparent. It was planned that a tunnel under the Liffey would join both sites, and it was also planned to incorporate the DART into the site.
However,as with the forward looking and innovative plans for the construction of 8 modular Bus Depots across Ireland,to the design of Ove Arup/Micheal Scott,the first of which was "new" Donnybrook Bus Garage in 1952...it was not to be.
http://archiseek.com/2010/1953-donnybrook-bus-garage-donnybrook-dublin/
Interestingly,and again in true Irish style,Politics intervened and brutally so,in the form of Dan O'Donovan,and the ability to continue with the new and vibrant,design led programme was literally set alight to.The other seven garages were never executed and the concrete moulds were destroyed after the completion of Donnybrook due to Government politics and the advice of a senior civil servant Dan O’Donovan. O’Donovan was a man of very strong personal convictions on building and was later to be appointed to oversee the building of Busáras, to the despair of Scott.
"I'll not build it,and I'll make damn sure nobody else does either !"
It's also quite pertinent to see how some of the best known figures who flitted around the Temple Bar candle,remain active in our Political milleu almost 30 years later.....
https://businessandfinance.com/though-the-decades-laura-magahy-2001/
http://www.thejournal.ie/slaintecare-laura-magahy-4124292-Jul2018/
It was the far sightedness of our best-ever Taoiseach that allowed the then young Laura to take the Temple Bar Artistic Hub concept to new heights,which many still see as preferable to a "Bus Shed" or a DART Station....
http://www.charlesjhaughey.ie/other.php?article=20
Progress,like peace,often comes dripping slowly.....very slowly
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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However,as with the forward looking and innovative plans for the construction of 8 modular Bus Depots across Ireland,to the design of Ove Arup/Micheal Scott,the first of which was "new" Donnybrook Bus Garage in 1952...it was not to be.
http://archiseek.com/2010/1953-donnybrook-bus-garage-donnybrook-dublin/
Interestingly,and again in true Irish style,Politics intervened and brutally so,in the form of Dan O'Donovan,and the ability to continue with the new and vibrant,design led programme was literally set alight to.
"I'll not build it,and I'll make damn sure nobody else does either !"
Tried to actively prevent busarse being built and ensured no other Donnybrook garage replicas were either?
This O'Donovan guy sounds like a ****ing hero. Someone should put up a statue.0 -
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Some discussion coming up in the transport committee
Ranelagh people who wants metrolink rerouted
and Dermot O'Leary talking about Bus Connects
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/cr2-live/As a user of the goddamned-to-hell never-to-be-seen-again 56 service to Dolphins Barn, there is a very high proportion of very unobservant users of buses. People wanting to go to town, already putting money in not having read the big sign on the front of the bus or the number on the front or the sign in the front window or sign on the driver's door that the bus was operating to Dolphins Barn.
People who don't look at maps, don't use apps, don't consult with experts or pore over every detail, don't even look at the bus they're getting on or where it's going.
But they are still bus users. So it's a very big challenge ahead and not to be underestimated how unaware people can be. And prepare for them slowing everything down, not just to steam ahead with the shiny technological change and expect them to catch up.
And, as I said before, it's both of these factors that will doom this plan before it starts unless there's a political will and authority to push through with only minor alterations.
But there's likely an election on the way and there's no chance TD's will risk losing votes over it, so expect lots of "compromises" that will chip away at the overall effectiveness each time.
Enthusiasts here may see the "big picture", but yer average Irish voter/TD is far more parochial and "me first!" than that 0 -
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And, as I said before, it's both of these factors that will doom this plan before it starts unless there's a political will and authority to push through with only minor alterations.
But there's likely an election on the way and there's no chance TD's will risk losing votes over it, so expect lots of "compromises" that will chip away at the overall effectiveness each time.
Enthusiasts here may see the "big picture", but yer average Irish voter/TD is far more parochial and "me first!" than that
Equally, pushing through without considering how they use the bus is not going to help.
Expecting that they are going to go from not reading the destination or number on the bus or any other sign or technology that is already available for years to be able to pick up that you can connect the 253 with the 564 and hop on the D1 is running before you can kneel.0 -
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BusArof it's time was hugely advanced and it's very conception was way beyond the norms in the British Isles.
The notion of a central covered Bus Station,adjacent to the then very busy North Wall Ferries to Britain,with a cinema devoted to "live" Pathewsreel news coverage,and rooftop restaurants,with the office space given over to the HQ of the State's Transport Authority...this was far beyond what a small,virtually broke,fledgling State,should have been capable of.
I can't help seeing a trace of this willingness to stride forward,in the original CIE/ S.O &M Temple Bar proposal,which sadly fell viction to the personal plans of the then Taoiseach,CJ Haughey...and it was far,far more than a giant "Bus Shed",that much is clear.
https://comeheretome.com/2013/10/24/the-failed-central-bus-station-temple-bar/
Busaras was what you would call a noble failure, or just an outright failure, and one that's made a hames of its environs ever since. A case of ambition over stepping ability, from the same company that you think could have managed something far grander on a far bigger scale
The temple bar bus shed
would have been another planning cluster**** but on a scale that would make the civic offices and the central bank look like dodgy patio extensions. Another monument to the egotism of the Irish public sector who wanted to spunk all over the city.
One of the few good calls Haughey made was to bin it. A giant bus depot is the kind of city planning you'd only expect from some doomed industrial ****hole in the middle of England.0 -
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