Charge points at work

Soarer

kceire wrote: »

If we travel outside the city boundary we have to use public transport. We get the price of the return train ticket only.

Do he not get mileage equivalence?

As in, if you have to go from Dublin to cork, can you not add up the price of the taxi to the station, train down, taxi to wherever, same in reverse, and then put in the kilometre equivalent to get fully reimbursed?

Don't see why you should have to get public transport. I'd hate that.

Gumbo

Soarer wrote: »

Do he not get mileage equivalence?

As in, if you have to go from Dublin to cork, can you not add up the price of the taxi to the station, train down, taxi to wherever, same in reverse, and then put in the kilometre equivalent to get fully reimbursed?

Don't see why you should have to get public transport. I'd hate that.

Nope. I had to go to Ballyconnell in April for a conference.
We get the train fare there and back and a subsistence allowance.

We get that in cash in fairness, so if we buy the ticket or we drive, that's up to us. If there's taxis involved from station to point of meeting etc then we can get reimbursed for that once we keep the receipt.

KCross

grogi wrote: »

If in one tax year you receive more than €500 of non-monetary benefit - exp. 100 charges each €3 and 5 Dunnes gift card for €50 each, it becomes taxable benefit of €550.

That's not how that scheme works though. You can't apply the scheme multiple times in the one year.

Maybe if the company was able to provide one €500 charge voucher and could then somehow track your usage it would be legit.

denismc

When I started this thread I expected a few replies not 4 pages lol.
Some interesting comments though.
As regards BIK many companies already use the tax free allowance to give bonuses to their employees in the form of vouchers.
It will be interesting to see how companies manage this, I can foresee issues where multiple users are competing for charge points not because they need it but because " It's free"

Calahonda52

KCross wrote: »

BIK has a broad definition of, any benefit you receive that is not required for your job is subject to BIK, so yes that would be a BIK but revenue aren't stupid so they don't chase the small stuff as the return on it would be less than the cost to chase it. .

The key determinant that decides if Revenue will chase BIK is if the imposition of the BIK would impact on the PS.
hence the thorny issue of BIK on parking has been long fingered / buried because of the impact on their own staff.
Same with Guards and free parking outside stations.

So the approach with the EV's will most highly disallow the investment in chargers as an expense because it fails the benefit to business test, unless they have EV vans etc....

ELM327

denismc wrote: »

When I started this thread I expected a few replies not 4 pages lol.
Some interesting comments though.
As regards BIK many companies already use the tax free allowance to give bonuses to their employees in the form of vouchers.
It will be interesting to see how companies manage this, I can foresee issues where multiple users are competing for charge points not because they need it but because " It's free"

That's the problem.
Say you have a gen1 leaf who needs the charge to get home, but a PHEV or a new leaf/zoe is using the charger because it's free.

This is why I believe that payment for charging is necessary and I would support its introduction. Charge users at the day rate (17c/kWh) and it means only those who need it will use it.

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

That's the problem.
Say you have a gen1 leaf who needs the charge to get home, but a PHEV or a new leaf/zoe is using the charger because it's free.

This is why I believe that payment for charging is necessary and I would support its introduction. Charge users at the day rate (17c/kWh) and it means only those who need it will use it.

No one but no one is advocating free electricity for EVs. What many of us are advocating is free public charging , for a defined limited time or until car penetration targets are reached

The BIK. Two things , one is no company can charge for electricity , that's illegal. They " could " charge you for " access " to the charger

So at present there is no momentary value associated with electricity supply. However if your company assigned a value to the use of the charger that value could accumulate to beyond the deminimis BIK value.

BIK is being looked at by the DoE EV policy group

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

Nope. I had to go to Ballyconnell in April for a conference.
We get the train fare there and back and a subsistence allowance.

We get that in cash in fairness, so if we buy the ticket or we drive, that's up to us. If there's taxis involved from station to point of meeting etc then we can get reimbursed for that once we keep the receipt.

Curious how that works as there are no train stations in Cavan. Do you get the bus fare in that case? What if it's somewhere like Cork, do you get the bus fare (25) or the train fare (80)? Either way it's a lot more sensible than the 550 odd I used to get for an overnight in Cork.

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

No one but no one is advocating free electricity for EVs. What many of us are advocating is free public charging , for a defined limited time or until car penetration targets are reached

The BIK. Two things , one is no company can charge for electricity , that's illegal. They " could " charge you for " access " to the charger

So at present there is no momentary value associated with electricity supply. However if your company assigned a value to the use of the charger that value could accumulate to beyond the deminimis BIK value.

BIK is being looked at by the DoE EV policy group

yes, I agree. There should be a definite end to the free public charging and it should be announced and set in stone. Even if it's 2/3/4 years or when a certain defined number are on the road. Also the pricing should be announced now aswell.

But we digress. My point around charging at work chargepoints was more related to stop "opportunistic" as opposed to necessary charging. If legally you can't charge by the kWh then set a per minute time that is roughly equivalent to the cost of charging at home. Just so it's not free.

BIK is being looked at by the DoE EV policy group

Would be interested to see more about this, is it in the public domain?

Gumbo

n97 mini wrote: »

Curious how that works as there are no train stations in Cavan. Do you get the bus fare in that case? What if it's somewhere like Cork, do you get the bus fare (25) or the train fare (80)? Either way it's a lot more sensible than the 550 odd I used to get for an overnight in Cork.

We get the train fare. I don't believe they can offer us the bus cost but no doubt they may try in the future.

somebody somewhere does a calculation as we get the money a week or two before we go so it's already calculated. We have to book our own hotels etc so I could sleep in the car and try make a profit

BoatMad

BIK is being looked at by the DoE EV policy group

Would be interested to see more about this, is it in the public domain?

NO, but serious consideration is being given to proposals to exempt or reduce BIK on company cars and the provision of electricity etc

whether it gets past DoF remains to be seen

I expect some form of limited reduction will be sanctioned

Other incentives are also being considered ( zero motorway tolls, zero motor tax , free parking etc )

KCross

Its the Low Emission Vehicle Taskforce.
Here is some finer detail on what they are doing and what depts are involved:

http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/minister-publishes-national-policy-framework-alternative-fuels-infrastructure

These are the highlights:

Low Emissions Vehicles (LEV) Task Force

In accordance with the Programme for Partnership Government commitment, the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (DCCAE) and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport (DTTAS), with the support of the Department of An Taoiseach (DoT), have convened an interdepartmental Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) Task Force.

It is charged with presenting a range of measures and options to the Government that will assist in accelerating the deployment of LEVs in Ireland. The Task Force has begun its work and has organised itself into three key areas:-

- Market Growth Stimuli and Visibility;
- Infrastructure, Energy Regulation and Pricing; and
- Planning Legislation, Building Regulations and Public Leadership

They are covering the right areas at least. Whether we get the "right" results is another matter entirely!

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

Its the Low Emission Vehicle Taskforce.
Here is some finer detail on what they are doing and what depts are involved:

http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/minister-publishes-national-policy-framework-alternative-fuels-infrastructure

These are the highlights:

Low Emissions Vehicles (LEV) Task Force

In accordance with the Programme for Partnership Government commitment, the Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (DCCAE) and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport (DTTAS), with the support of the Department of An Taoiseach (DoT), have convened an interdepartmental Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) Task Force.

It is charged with presenting a range of measures and options to the Government that will assist in accelerating the deployment of LEVs in Ireland. The Task Force has begun its work and has organised itself into three key areas:-

- Market Growth Stimuli and Visibility;
- Infrastructure, Energy Regulation and Pricing; and
- Planning Legislation, Building Regulations and Public Leadership

They are covering the right areas at least. Whether we get the "right" results is another matter entirely!

The IEVOA is lobbying hard to get access and present to that committee.

Their lack of communication with users is extraordinary

KCross

BoatMad wrote: »

The IEVOA is lobbying hard to get access and present to that committee.

Their lack of communication with users is extraordinary

I got a positive response from them back in Feb.
They said:

There will be public and stakeholder consultations held where members of the public will be given an opportunity to give input to the task force.

And they said they would invite me to the consultation. I'm not sure exactly what an invitation means or whether they will actually follow through on that promise.

I'll let you know if they do.

BoatMad

KCross wrote: »

I got a positive response from them back in Feb.
They said:

There will be public and stakeholder consultations held where members of the public will be given an opportunity to give input to the task force.

And they said they would invite me to the consultation. I'm not sure exactly what an invitation means or whether they will actually follow through on that promise.

I'll let you know if they do.

Given they have now committed to report to government " soon " I hope something happens.

The internal politics are not good

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

Given they have now committed to report to government " soon " I hope something happens.

The internal politics are not good

In the IEVA or the government group?
Funny to see all the progress and discussions going on in the background that your ordinary EV driver like me wouldnt be aware of.

KCross

BoatMad wrote: »

Given they have now committed to report to government " soon " I hope something happens.

The internal politics are not good

Their stakeholder day is expected in mid-July. An announcement giving exact date/location is to be announced "shortly".

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

In the IEVA or the government group?
Funny to see all the progress and discussions going on in the background that your ordinary EV driver like me wouldnt be aware of.

The internal politics of the DoE group is bad as DoT did not want to get involved and the ability of this Gov to deliver anything is seriously questionable

the politics of the IEVOA on the other hand is single minded and focused and considerably lobbying goes on behind the scenes

Funny to see all the progress and discussions going on in the background that your ordinary EV driver like me wouldnt be aware of

this is always the case in reality .most people dont care