Road resurfaced from Glencree'ish to Sally gap.....

Daithi101

Cycled that stretch today and it made for tough work. Not a hope of standing in the pedals and there seems to be a build up now of loose chippings in the bends. Looked to be very shaky for some people descending.

Hauki

I was heading up to Sally today through Enniskerry and Glencree. Road looked like absolute crap so decided to do a 180 degree turn and head to Featherbeds and back towards home.

uck51js9zml2yt

Perhaps it's a plan to keep cyclists off the roads!

Daroxtar

Sorry lads, where exactly is this? If I head up Stocking lane past the viewing point and on to Kippure, is it on that stretch?
Really can't understand why they would use chip and seal when they were able to use nice smooth, evenly graded asphalt on the stretches on the way towards Laragh? I don't buy into the idea that our climate would adversely affect the asphalt when it is used extensively in harsher climates in the mountains in Spain and France.

df

Was this way yesterday. The gravel starts before the cottage at Lower Lough Tay and runs all the way up to the climb past Upper Lough Tay. Slippey on the way up and really dodge on the way down, had to inch down.

alanjgalbraith

Tar & Larger Chip with loads of loose gravel on all of this section https://www.strava.com/segments/664543 ... From Kippure to the gap crossroads, it's not too bad with just small sections with less loose gravel and finer chippings which I assume was done a few weeks ago

loyatemu

if everyone on this thread lodges a complaint on http://www.wicklow.ie/fix-your-street hopefully it will persuade them to go back up and tidy it up again.

Limestone1

is this on the ww200 route ?

Montpelier Hill

Was on this route on sunday and came across a lady who was walking her bike down from Sally gap because of the slippery surface, they really do need to fix this

Suggest anyone with a wicklow address to write to their local councillor:

http://www.wicklow.ie/elected-council-members

1bryan

Limestone1 wrote: »

is this on the ww200 route ?

no, not this year.

oflahero

The bit I can't understand is that there were a couple of really smooth recently resurfaced sections that are now ripped up for this new gravel driveway. Living in hope that they might yet put a layer of tar on top...

dcp

Limestone1 wrote: »

is this on the ww200 route ?

No.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/21083408

dcp

Daroxtar wrote: »

Sorry lads, where exactly is this? If I head up Stocking lane past the viewing point and on to Kippure, is it on that stretch?

Yes. It starts just after the turn off for Glencree and lasts all the way to Sally Gap.

Thud

Same problem in UK:

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/more-than-1000-people-sign-petition-to-resurface-roads-properly-335465

-K2-

One positive thing to note: the climb from Powerscourt waterfall https://www.strava.com/segments/800547 has been resurfaced properly. Very smooth and a nice climb.

loyatemu

-K2- wrote: »

One positive thing to note: the climb from Powerscourt waterfall https://www.strava.com/segments/800547 has been resurfaced properly. Very smooth and a nice climb.

where does Strava get it's elevation data from - it reckons parts of that climb are 28%! It's steep but it's not that steep.

Daroxtar

Strava gets its data from the person who created the segment. If their GPS signal bounced off the side of a hill or something it could throw the data off a fair bit. Only way to remedy it is flag the segment and create a new one with better data

magicbastarder

yeah, i've often wondered why they don't finesse the data as more people cycle the segment. this is the worst example i know of, a 0.4km segment with a 30% gradient. starts at - (minus) 111m.

https://www.strava.com/segments/6089358

buffalo

One of the guys in our club just posted about a lot of sand on the road surface by the Viewing Point making it pretty sketchy.

Apparently from the sandbags holding down the 'road closed' signs from last week.

loyatemu

Daroxtar wrote: »

Strava gets its data from the person who created the segment. If their GPS signal bounced off the side of a hill or something it could throw the data off a fair bit. Only way to remedy it is flag the segment and create a new one with better data

OK - there's a few segments I've seen that are marked as "climbs" when they're actually flat or downhill, that would explain it. I assumed Strava were using some geo-survey or mapping data.

Plastik

Currently also closed from Sally Gap to Glenmacnass for resurfacing.

dreddie

Not sure if this has been mentioned but there is a similar surface on the descent from Slieve Maan heading west for about 3-4k. I had the pleasure of descending it on Sunday.

ED E

loyatemu wrote: »

OK - there's a few segments I've seen that are marked as "climbs" when they're actually flat or downhill, that would explain it. I assumed Strava were using some geo-survey or mapping data.

For the nerds:

GPS(GNSS more globally) has two "accuracy values", well two that matter, HDOP and VDOP. H being horizontal and V being vertical. These can be translated to an estimate of error but the critical bit is the constellation is much better horizontally than vertically. A smartphone is doing very well if its got you down to a 3m radius horizontally but at the same time it may have you in a 30m radius vertically. For aviation or a tank, doesnt matter. For a strava segment a 30m climb over 50m vs a 30m descent over 50m are two very different things.

If anyones interested in fixing segments get a decent BT receiver (10Hz ones are handy) and fit it to the top of your helmet on a fine day. You'll find its a lot closer than the phone mounted on your bars.

davidsatelle100

Plastik wrote: »

Currently also closed from Sally Gap to Glenmacnass for resurfacing.

While i'm happy their resurfacing the road i hope its not just another dressing

Thud

ED E wrote: »

For aviation or a tank, doesnt matter. For a strava segment a 30m climb over 50m vs a 30m descent over 50m are two very different things.

Die hard 2 begs to differ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkCQ_-Id8zI

df

Was up the section between Glencree and the Kippure gates last night and today. It has bedded in well now but here is still a bit of gravel in the margins.

1bryan

Plastik wrote: »

Currently also closed from Sally Gap to Glenmacnass for resurfacing.

smooth tarmac, thankfully.

HivemindXX

ED E wrote: »

For the nerds:

GPS(GNSS more globally) has two "accuracy values", well two that matter, HDOP and VDOP. H being horizontal and V being vertical. These can be translated to an estimate of error but the critical bit is the constellation is much better horizontally than vertically. A smartphone is doing very well if its got you down to a 3m radius horizontally but at the same time it may have you in a 30m radius vertically. For aviation or a tank, doesnt matter. For a strava segment a 30m climb over 50m vs a 30m descent over 50m are two very different things.

I don't understand why they don't just use the altitude data from their maps based on the x.y coordinates. This is for cycling and running not flying so we can be fairly confident that the users are at or close the ground. The only potential issue is bridges (are they on the bridge or under it) but that seems minor compared to taking the GPS receiver's word that the user is 30m above the ground.

Chuchote

magicbastarder wrote: »

yeah, i've often wondered why they don't finesse the data as more people cycle the segment. this is the worst example i know of, a 0.4km segment with a 30% gradient. starts at - (minus) 111m.

https://www.strava.com/segments/6089358

Assuming that Strava uses the same satellites and transponders as the phone system, finessing data won't do a hell of a lot of good at Powerscourt. I have a buddy who lives up that way, and her phone calls from her car (on handsfree) break down every day in two places: Powerscourt waterfall road and the Rocky Valley.