12 years for ex-shinner

Farmer Ed

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Oh SF did ok money wise plenty of donors here and abroad.

Still nothing like a well paid pensionable job to turn a terrorist in to a respectable politician. It has been the catalyst for all our main political parties fondness for democracy. He who is without sin and all that sort of thing.

Persephone kindness

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Still nothing like a well paid pensionable job to turn a terrorist in to a respectable politician. It has been the catalyst for all our main political parties fondness for democracy. He who is without sin and all that sort of thing.

True.

Persephone kindness

Well paid pensions and TD hrs would prob make a lot of troubled youths go straight...we should make em more common place.

Mrfrosty

Mrfrosty wrote: »

This isn't sinn feins argument, dowdall got 12 years because of the guns used in the regancy, and gardai used poor Alexander for their goal of getting him jailed anyway, he has done the crime, he'll do the time not sinn fein.

A public representative, engaged in torture and vigilantism?
Dowdall got what he deserved.

Persephone kindness

bubblypop wrote: »

A public representative, engaged in torture and vigilantism?
Dowdall got what he deserved.

Any other country there would be an investigation into Sinn Fein.

FTA69

FTA69 wrote: »

What do you want, a list of killings of civilians killed by the British Army and the police? It would be a long enough one. Not to mention the activities of their proxy groups in Loyalist paramilitaries that were often facilitated and directed by senior people in both of those organisations.

Even at a local level we had people like the Glennane Gang who were serving members of the British Army and police and whose raison d'etre was murdering innocent people.

This notion that the crown forces were somehow above deliberately killing innocent people in contrast to the dreaded Provos is a load of waffle.

No no, I was interested to know when the RUC or Army had used proxy bombings. You know, where the civilian was strapped into a truck or JCB laden with explosives and forced to drive at a target. I didn't say "the British Army and RUC never killed civilians", nor did I say "the crown forces were somehow above deliberately killing innocent people in contrast to the dreaded Provos".

I am aware of the Glennane Gang. It was grotesque. Only a clown would suggest the RUC or Army or Loyalists were above killing civilians. But to say that the RUC had as their aim the killing of civilians, whereas the IRA were on some higher moral ground, despite burning them to death, or killing them because they were Protestant, or indeed strapping them to bombs, is simply nonsense.

Farmer Ed

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Any other country there would be an investigation into Sinn Fein.

True and while we are at it we should investigate FG and FF involvement with with the banks and the awarding of mobile licences and contracts to carry out work for Irish water ect. You don't have to water board someone to abuse a position of power. Abuse of power comes in all shapes and sizes.

end of the road

Persephone kindness wrote: »

They don't have ethno facist murderers drug dealers rapists and peados in their party now though. SF do.

no they don't.

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Any other country there would be an investigation into Sinn Fein.

no there wouldn't. nothing to investigate sinn fein for

Farmer Ed

end of the road wrote: »

no they don't.




no there wouldn't. nothing to investigate sinn fein for

You have to also consider that SF in fairness have never been in a position to make judicial appointments to our totally non political and totally impartial courts.

BalcombeSt4

Deleted User wrote: »

No no, I was interested to know when the RUC or Army had used proxy bombings. You know, where the civilian was strapped into a truck or JCB laden with explosives and forced to drive at a target. I didn't say "the British Army and RUC never killed civilians", nor did I say "the crown forces were somehow above deliberately killing innocent people in contrast to the dreaded Provos".

I am aware of the Glennane Gang. It was grotesque. Only a clown would suggest the RUC or Army or Loyalists were above killing civilians. But to say that the RUC had as their aim the killing of civilians, whereas the IRA were on some higher moral ground, despite burning them to death, or killing them because they were Protestant, or indeed strapping them to bombs, is simply nonsense.

I could tell of the time they decapitated civilians with pitchforks if not shooting people like the dogs in the streets of Derry or Ballymurphy isn't enough for you.

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

You have to also consider that SF in fairness have never been in a position to make judicial appointments to our totally non political and totally impartial courts.

for which we should all be very grateful.

Mrfrosty

bubblypop wrote: »

A public representative, engaged in torture and vigilantism?
Dowdall got what he deserved.

I've no problems with what dowdall got but only because of the regancy is why he got 12.
Hurley got what he deserved, also has Alexanders past con artistry been wiped?

Farmer Ed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

for which we should all be very grateful.

Absolutely otherwise legal decisions may well go against upstanding citizens like Seanie Fitz ect. Now that would never do would it?

The way the system is set up at the moment , if the Nazi party got in to power they could appoint their own judges. But obviously our judiciary would still be independent of course. Like people with legal training obviously operate to a much higher moral standard than the rest of us.

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Absolutely otherwise legal decisions may well go against upstanding citizens like Seanie Fitz ect. Now that would never do would it?

The way the system is set up at the moment , if the Nazi party got in to power they could appoint their own judges. But obviously our judiciary would still be independent of course. Like people with legal training obviously operate to a much higher moral standard than the rest of us.

seanie fitzs acquittal was nothing to do with the judiciary. you are talking through your hat.

LordSutch

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I could tell of the time they decapitated civilians with pitchforks if not shooting people like the dogs in the streets of Derry or Ballymurphy isn't enough for you.

Balcombe Street...

Hmm, now why does that ring a bell :cool:

Farmer Ed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

seanie fitzs acquittal was nothing to do with the judiciary. you are talking through your hat.

Sure didn't I tell you he was an upstanding citizen. Great friend and neighbour by all accounts. Sure wasn't he even at Denny Brian's funeral last year. That was nice of him to take the time. But if you do a quick Google search and see who was at that funeral. You will find that Seanie isn't the only good friend hanging around those circles. In times of need I suppose its a very Irish thing to be there for your friends.

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Sure didn't I tell you he was an upstanding citizen. Great friend and neighbour by all accounts. Sure wasn't he even at Denny Brian's funeral last year. That was nice of him to take the time. But if you do a quick Google search and see who was at that funeral. You will find that Seanie isn't the only good friend hanging around those circles. In times of need I suppose its a very Irish thing to be there for your friends.

Explain to me how a different judge appointed Sinn fein could have found him guilty on the evidence that was presented in court?

Farmer Ed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Explain to me how a different judge appointed Sinn fein could have found him guilty on the evidence that was presented in court?

Obviously he wouldn't sure the man is innocent until proven guilty and he couldn't be proven guilty for what ever reason. But obviously everyone else involved in the banking collapse are legally innocent also as no one has ever been proven guilty. I'm sure a SF judge would not have treated Seanie any differently. But he might not have give a 12 year sentence to a SF politician? Who knows?

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Obviously he wouldn't sure the man is innocent until proven guilty and he couldn't be proven guilty for what ever reason. But obviously everyone else involved in the banking collapse are legally innocent also as no one has ever been proven guilty. I'm sure a SF judge would not have treated Seanie any differently. But he might not have give a 12 year sentence to a SF politician? Who knows?

ex-SF politician surely? Or at least that is what Mary Lou would have us believe. she distanced herself from him very quickly.

jh79

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Obviously he wouldn't sure the man is innocent until proven guilty and he couldn't be proven guilty for what ever reason. But obviously everyone else involved in the banking collapse are legally innocent also as no one has ever been proven guilty. I'm sure a SF judge would not have treated Seanie any differently. But he might not have give a 12 year sentence to a SF politician? Who knows?

I think you should be more concerned about SF links to dublin drug gangs. Dowdall was quite open about his friendship with the Hutches.

Mrfrosty

Mrfrosty wrote: »

I've no problems with what dowdall got but only because of the regancy is why he got 12.
Hurley got what he deserved, also has Alexanders past con artistry been wiped?

Hurley deserved to be dealt with in accordance with the law.
i'm not sure how you think waterboarding & torture is an appropriate punishment for anyone, but thankfully you're not a judge!

Farmer Ed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ex-SF politician surely? Or at least that is what Mary Lou would have us believe. she distanced herself from him very quickly.

Still it would be interesting to see how an ex SF judge might have dealt with him? As all Judges are politically appointed. I'm guessing most of them are probably ex some party? But obviously they forget all that once they become judges. God forbid I would question the profession in any way. So maybe Mary Lou might have a point when she suggested he was "ex" SF. Obviously if our judges are anything to go by it's possible to leave ones past behind.

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Still it would be interesting to see how an ex SF judge might have dealt with him? As all Judges are politically appointed. I'm guessing most of them are probably ex some party? But obviously they forget all that once they become judges. God forbid I would question the profession in any way. So maybe Mary Lou might have a point when she suggested he was "ex" SF. Obviously if our judges are anything to go by it's possible to leave ones past behind.

they probably could have given him tips.

Farmer Ed

jh79 wrote: »

I think you should be more concerned about SF links to dublin drug gangs. Dowdall was quite open about his friendship with the Hutches.

Its a poor reflection when our youth have more fear of the likes of the Hutches than they have of the law. The battle is lost as soon as that happens. The whole thing is a joke.

Farmer Ed

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they probably could have given him tips.

Well sorry to tell you but unless the system is changed. Its only a matter of time before you will have a SF minister appointing judges. That is simply the way it works .

ohnonotgmail

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Well sorry to tell you but unless the system is changed. Its only a matter of time before you will have a SF minister appointing judges. That is simply the way it works .

and here was me thinking that it was SF policy that the political appointment of judges was stopped.

jh79

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Its a poor reflection when our youth have more fear of the likes of the Hutches than they have of the law. The battle is lost as soon as that happens. The whole thing is a joke.

Well if SF want us to believe the IRA were not funding by taxing drug dealers they need to vet their members more carefully.

LordSutch

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Well sorry to tell you but unless the system is changed. Its only a matter of time before you will have a SF minister appointing judges. That is simply the way it works .

And yet, SF still say that their 'alter ego' was legit, so how could a SF appointed Judge be balanced.

Mrfrosty

bubblypop wrote: »

Hurley deserved to be dealt with in accordance with the law.
i'm not sure how you think waterboarding & torture is an appropriate punishment for anyone, but thankfully you're not a judge!

And he wasn't that's how he came into contact with dowdall, all his details are gone everything was it worth it for him (Hurley) nope he was a pawn used by AGS and he'll be left hang by AGS just like "joey the lip"

It's amazing how fast sinn fein had him gone from the party though.
.

Farmer Ed

LordSutch wrote: »

And yet, SF still say that their 'alter ego' was legit, so how could a SF appointed Judge be balanced.

Well the way the law stands at the moment. If the Nazi party got in to power they could appoint their own judges. But obviously as judges have supernatural powers as we all know and can and should never be questioned as they have super human abilities. Obviously we could never in visage a situation where that might become a problem.

ohnonotgmail

Mrfrosty wrote: »

And he wasn't that's how he came into contact with dowdall, all his details are gone everything was it worth it for him (Hurley) nope he was a pawn used by AGS and he'll be left hang by AGS just like "joey the lip"

It's amazing how fast sinn fein had him gone from the party though.
.

i think you are a bit confused. Hurley never made a complaint to the police. they found the evidence used to convict dowdall while investigating him for something else.

Mrfrosty

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i think you are a bit confused. Hurley never made a complaint to the police. they found the evidence used to convict dowdall while investigating him for something else.

Sorry your misinterpreting my post, bascially "the reason Hurley came into contact with dowdall is because Hurley wasn't dealth with by the law ie bike scamming."

"All Hurleys details are gone online everything has been taking down, a thank you from AGS?"

I know dowdall was raid because of help he gave with the regancy, he was ready to head to Dubai when arrested.

Mrfrosty

Mrfrosty wrote: »

And he wasn't that's how he came into contact with dowdall, all his details are gone everything was it worth it for him (Hurley) nope he was a pawn used by AGS and he'll be left hang by AGS just like "joey the lip"

It's amazing how fast sinn fein had him gone from the party though.
.

I don't know what you mean by 'his details are gone' ?
And he wasn't a pawn, he was a victim.

end of the road

jh79 wrote: »

I think you should be more concerned about SF links to dublin drug gangs. Dowdall was quite open about his friendship with the Hutches.

there are no sinn fein links to dublin drug gangs. there was one man who happened to be in sinn fein once, who is no longer and hasn't been for a while, who is linked to a dublin drug gang.

Mrfrosty

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't know what you mean by 'his details are gone' ?
And he wasn't a pawn, he was a victim.

Everything about Hurley is now gone!All previous scams, warning and news about him That's quite simple no?
He was used as a pawn by AGS to get dowdall a maximum sentence because AGS couldn't get dowdall for anything to do with "The Regancy" Hurley was tracked down and begged, promised the world, moon and stars they'll protect him if he went ahead with his/a complaint of false imprisonment, waterboarding and threats, the iceing on the cake dowdall was a member of sinn finn but resigned again 13 feb 2015, 15 Jan 2015 alleged video was made.

Dowdall has got his sentence, that's that.

TIL: Sinn Fein shovel out their ****, unlike other partys or even AGS.

Mrfrosty

Mrfrosty wrote: »

Everything about Hurley is now gone!All previous scams, warning and news about him That's quite simple no?
He was used as a pawn by AGS to get dowdall a maximum sentence because AGS couldn't get dowdall for anything to do with "The Regancy" Hurley was tracked down and begged, promised the world, moon and stars they'll protect him if he went ahead with his/a complaint of false imprisonment, waterboarding and threats, the iceing on the cake dowdall was a member of sein finn but resigned again 13 feb 2015, 15 Jan 2015 alleged video was made.

Dowdall has got his sentence, that's that.

TIL: Sein fein shovel out their ****, unlike other partys or even AGS.

gone from where exactly?
Gardai may have been investigating Dowdall's links to organised crime, but while doing so, they uncovered a serious crime. And succesfully convicted the offender.
job well done.

jh79

end of the road wrote: »

there are no sinn fein links to dublin drug gangs. there was one man who happened to be in sinn fein once, who is no longer and hasn't been for a while, who is linked to a dublin drug gang.

We know the ira had no issues with drugs given their links to FARC so it's reasonable to assume they funded their campaign by taxing drug delaers in the south.

jh79

Mrfrosty wrote: »

Everything about Hurley is now gone!All previous scams, warning and news about him That's quite simple no?
He was used as a pawn by AGS to get dowdall a maximum sentence because AGS couldn't get dowdall for anything to do with "The Regancy" Hurley was tracked down and begged, promised the world, moon and stars they'll protect him if he went ahead with his/a complaint of false imprisonment, waterboarding and threats, the iceing on the cake dowdall was a member of sinn finn but resigned again 13 feb 2015, 15 Jan 2015 alleged video was made.

Dowdall has got his sentence, that's that.

TIL: Sinn Fein shovel out their ****, unlike other partys or even AGS.

Why didn't SF get rid of him for his links to the Hutch drug gang?

Mrfrosty

jh79 wrote: »

Why didn't SF get rid of him for his links to the Hutch drug gang?

Their not all criminals, is my only reasoning, how about you?.
Are you looking for a drugs angle from me?

jh79

Mrfrosty wrote: »

Their not all criminals, is my only reasoning, how about you?.
Are you looking for a drugs angle from me?

All i am saying is only an extremely naive person would believe that the IRA didn't profit from the drug trade , they were willing to work with farc rebels after all.

Mrfrosty

jh79 wrote: »

All i am saying is only an extremely naive person would believe that the IRA didn't profit from the drug trade , they were willing to work with farc rebels after all.

I haven't disputed any of that with you, I know elements within have "branched out" let me say but to my knowledge not as an organisation to my knowledge anyway!(the IRA meaning the old guys not the new,p,c or any other gangs)

jh79

Mrfrosty wrote: »

I haven't disputed any of that with you, I know elements within have "branched out" let me say but to my knowledge not as an organisation to my knowledge anyway!(the IRA meaning the old guys not the new,p,c or any other gangs)

So what happened to all their money , can you be certain that current members of SF do not have whatever was left?

Mrfrosty

jh79 wrote: »

So what happened to all their money , can you be certain that current members of SF do not have whatever was left?

Would you estimate an amount in euros if the Kinahans are worth a billion?

I can only guess maybe they were robbing each other, had big families,or shipped to the north for" the cause"

What is your take on it?

jh79

Mrfrosty wrote: »

Would you estimate an amount in euros if the Kinahans are worth a billion?

I can only guess maybe they were robbing each other, had big families,or shipped to the north for" the cause"

What is your take on it?

The amount isn't important, it's who controls it. The overlap in membership between SF and the IRA means it is a reasonable assumption to make that current SF members and those deemed to be "good republicans" have access.

SF are the political wing of a now defunct terrorist group it is up to them to convince me that they are now clean. Their stance on the special criminal court is as self serving as you can get.

Dyr

jh79 wrote: »

The amount isn't important, it's who controls it. The overlap in membership between SF and the IRA means it is a reasonable assumption to make that current SF members and those deemed to be "good republicans" have access.

SF are the political wing of a now defunct terrorist group it is up to them to convince me that they are now clean. Their stance on the special criminal court is as self serving as you can get.

Labours problem with the SCC must be because they were all stickies eh?
:rolleyes:

Farmer Ed

If there are drug dealers worth a billion and everyone knows that but can do nothing about it. It seams pretty obvious to me that we are fighting a losing battle with our war on drugs. Something needs to change here because our current plan for dealing with this problem is clearly not working. That's if we even have a plan?

end of the road

jh79 wrote: »

The amount isn't important, it's who controls it. The overlap in membership between SF and the IRA means it is a reasonable assumption to make that current SF members and those deemed to be "good republicans" have access.

SF are the political wing of a now defunct terrorist group it is up to them to convince me that they are now clean. Their stance on the special criminal court is as self serving as you can get.

The overlap in membership between SF and the IRA is so small now it may as well be non-existant. it is not a reasonable assumption to make that current SF members and those who are definitely good republicans have access to anything. sf don't need to convince you of anything as it is fact they are clean. their stance on the special criminal court, a court which is against and a subverting of democracy is a correct stance.

BalcombeSt4

jh79 wrote: »

We know the ira had no issues with drugs given their links to FARC so it's reasonable to assume they funded their campaign by taxing drug delaers in the south.

They wouldn't have needed to tax drug dealers. They were getting free weapons from Libya, thousands of Assault riffles, SMG's, GPMG's, Hand Guns, Revolvers, millions of rounds of ammunition, Military Flamethrowers, RPG7's, Single Shot Sniper Rifles, DShK Heavey Machine Guns, SAM's & tons & tons of Semtex, thousands of detonaters, anti-handling devices etc... plus £2million all for free.
According to Brendan O'Brien there was actually an 'over-supply', especially regarding the AK-47s

Although the Eksund that got captured by the French Navey in 1987 was the largest shippment ever for the IRA. I don't know how many people know about the IRA Army Councils plan of "TET Offensive" constructed for Ireland, which was to take place around the late 80's. But they needed the whole 5 shippments to get to Ireland, the first four landed without problem but the biggest one the Eksund was caught, wjich conatined double the amount of stuff I mentioned already plus contained Military Mortars and a 106-Millimetre Cannons. And they need all 5 shippments to through with the TET plan, so instead they decided in 1988 to go back to a more intense campaign on the British mainland than ever before.

And then there was also all the help from the American Brigade, mainly from the Boston Battalion, D Company.
Plus they also got help from the likes of the PLO, the Basque ETA, they got lots of help from people involved in Liberation struggles & the IRA & INLA supported people in Liberation struggles also, like carrying out reconnaissance missions for the ANC.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/1106

So they didn't need to tax drug dealers. The wiped out the IPLO for being involved in drug dealing. I think it was just before the ceasefire they handed a priest £20,000 worth of Cannabis, thats not signs of an organization that need to tax drug dealers.
And they were robbing banks also, which I think they called "revolutionary funding" or something to that effect,they also did the same thing in the 1920's as well and I think the Fenians did something similar also during the bombing campaign in the 1880's.

Farmer Ed

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

They wouldn't have needed to tax drug dealers. They were getting free weapons from Libya, thousands of Assault riffles, SMG's, GPMG's, Hand Guns, Revolvers, millions of rounds of ammunition, Military Flamethrowers, RPG7's, Single Shot Sniper Rifles, DShK Heavey Machine Guns, SAM's & tons & tons of Semtex, thousands of detonaters, anti-handling devices etc... plus £2million all for free.
According to Brendan O'Brien there was actually an 'over-supply', especially regarding the AK-47s

Although the Eksund that got captured by the French Navey in 1987 was the largest shippment ever for the IRA. I don't know how many people know about the IRA Army Councils plan of "TET Offensive" constructed for Ireland, which was to take place around the late 80's. But they needed the whole 5 shippments to get to Ireland, the first four landed without problem but the biggest one the Eksund was caught, wjich conatined double the amount of stuff I mentioned already plus contained Military Mortars and a 106-Millimetre Cannons. And they need all 5 shippments to through with the TET plan, so instead they decided in 1988 to go back to a more intense campaign on the British mainland than ever before.

And then there was also all the help from the American Brigade, mainly from the Boston Battalion, D Company.
Plus they also got help from the likes of the PLO, the Basque ETA, they got lots of help from people involved in Liberation struggles & the IRA & INLA supported people in Liberation struggles also, like carrying out reconnaissance missions for the ANC.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/1106

So they didn't need to tax drug dealers. The wiped out the IPLO for being involved in drug dealing. I think it was just before the ceasefire they handed a priest £20,000 worth of Cannabis, thats not signs of an organization that need to tax drug dealers.
And they were robbing banks also, which I think they called "revolutionary funding" or something to that effect,they also did the same thing in the 1920's as well and I think the Fenians did something similar also during the bombing campaign in the 1880's.

I hope the Priest didn't go on to become a high Priest?

BalcombeSt4

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

They wouldn't have needed to tax drug dealers.

while they may not have needed to, they still did.
call it protection if you like, but if you were a drug dealer & you paid the IRA some of your money, then they allowed you to deal.
those that didn't pay up, paid the price in other ways, kneecapping etc.
the dissident groups still do it to a certain extent, just a hand me down from the IRA ways, if you like.