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Do you have sympathy for male 'incels (involuntary celibates)?

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    #62
    jeanjolie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    They seem to be a self entitled bunch with a total lack of empathy.

    What do you mean?

    People claim sex is a human need but that mentality is thrown out the window when they complain that they can't get sex from women and are deemed as 'entitled spoiled misogynists'.

    Do you believe that a man should be able to pay a woman for sex?


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    #63
    ohnonotgmail
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    silverharp wrote: »
    sure but before the internet this would have been a Louis Theroux documentary ..and in our next episode men that are sexually attracted to cars :pac:


    Or the lady who married a bridge.


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    #64
    Zulu
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    Sweet baby jesus, what a load of insufferable bolloxology.

    This is not a gender thing, and to suggest it is, is to hide behind personal deficiencies. My advice: life is for living; get off the internet and get on with it.


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    #65
    jeanjolie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    Zulu wrote: »
    Sweet baby jesus, what a load of insufferable bolloxology.

    This is not a gender thing, and to suggest it is, is to hide behind personal deficiencies. My advice: life is for living; get off the internet and get on with it.

    What do you mean by your last sentence?


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    #66
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,457 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Why not? I'm sure you've met someone who thinks like that. Would you break up with a man if you found out that he thought of himself 'above' others like this?



    relationship/sex wise or in general?


    what is your obsession with class?


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    #67
    jeanjolie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what is your obsession with class?

    Well...people judge others by it. It's not as binary as rich/poor or North/South Dublin but the way people dress, speak, groom themselves and how liberal they are in personaltity/beliefs tells it all.


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    #68
    PucaMama
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    Having looked at their Reddit, they sound like just another sad group of men blaming all their problems on women. Kind of like MGTOW who lack self confidence.


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    #69
    Zulu
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    jeanjolie wrote: »
    What do you mean by your last sentence?
    I mean that these people wittle their lives away with other like minded individuals on forums. It's a type of navel gazing that is only serving to perpetuate the problems they feel they are suffering.
    Were they to get off their asses, and get out into the real world, they would meet more people; more women. They may even start to learn social skills they lack. In time, hopefully, they'll learn that life isn't out to get them.

    Being a more pleasant person to spend time with is infinitely going to improve their chances of finding someone who would like to be physical with them. And this isn't going to happen in a navel gazing echo chamber.


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    #70
    ohnonotgmail
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    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Well...people judge others by it. It's not as binary as rich/poor or North/South Dublin but the way people dress, speak, groom themselves and how liberal they are in personaltity/beliefs tells it all.


    well you certainly seem to do so. If a man chooses to remove himself from the gene pool because he refuses to consort with a lady from the wrong class then he is doing the world a favour.


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    #71
    kunst nugget
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Being a more pleasant person to spend time with is infinitely going to improve their chances of finding someone who would like to be physical with them. And this isn't going to happen in a navel gazing echo chamber.

    I don't think they have the self-awareness to realise this. For them, labeling themselves as 'nice guys' is enough. Everyone else has to change, not them.


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    #72
    PucaMama
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    Complete myth that any woman can get sex at any time. And nothing to with pc whatever. Also I was on their group for 5 minutes and still saw at least 2 suggestions of rape.


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    #73
    Chips Lovell
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    Considering some of the pure gobsh**tes I've come across over the years, unencumbered by beauty, intelligence, humour or wealth, but who've somehow managed to find themselves a husband or a wife, then these people must be doing something wrong.


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    #74
    PucaMama
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    Since we are doing generalisations etc why are men so shocked that women won't sleep with them when women aren't encouraged to enjoy their sexuality like men are


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    #75
    Colser
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    I'd have thought that men have much easier access tbh with the availability of escorts ect.

    Where is the sex available on tap for women ?


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    #76
    ohnonotgmail
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    Colser wrote: »
    I'd have thought that men have much easier access tbh with the availability of escorts ect.

    Where is the sex available on tap for women ?


    Coppers?


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    #77
    Shenshen
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    "Any woman can let herself be used as a sex toy or **** aid if she chooses to" is more correct I think you'll find.

    There is a massive difference for a woman between having satisfactory sex, and simply being used as a sperm receptacle.


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    #78
    PucaMama
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Colser wrote: »
    I'd have thought that men have much easier access tbh with the availability of escorts ect.

    Where is the sex available on tap for women ?


    Coppers?
    If we presume these women are having sexy with men then doesn't that mean there's an equal amount of men having sex?


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    #79
    silverharp
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    Kind of like MGTOW who lack self confidence.

    citation needed?, The only place I have come across mgtow is on youtube. the main thing I discerned was that they reject long term relationships with women and a common theme seems to be the risks of being dragged though the divorce courts and the like so they say long term relationships aren't worth it. Again its kind of a US thing and again the most views their videos ever get is 20K or 30K which again out of a population of tens of millions doesn't even register.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #80
    tritium
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    I'd never seen this term before now!

    Hilarious how quickly some of the regular posters here jumped in to label them all misogynists though. A few crazy posts somewhere on the internet and all of a sudden the whole group are women haters. Apparently some groups can claim to 'not be a hive mind' when their extremists are called out while other groups, like this one, all deserve to be tarred with a common brush- mind boggling the double standards we see at times.

    Interestingly the IT ran a piece today on how many older (not old) and more educated women find it difficult to find a partner. An academic from trinitys sociology department discussed in great detail how their findings were all about how society was letting these women down. I wont hold my breath waiting for one or two posters here to decry the academics in question, or indeed all these women, as men haters for the social status they find themselves in though.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/better-educated-women-find-it-harder-to-meet-partner-1.3108512?mode=amp


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    #81
    Shenshen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    If women find it so easy to have sex with men, surely there would be no such thing as a man not being able to have sex with a woman? I do believe that the numbers are currently about 50%/50%?
    Or do you think all the women in the world queue up wanting sex with the same 3 or 4 guys?


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    #82
    PucaMama
    Registered Users Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭PucaMama


    silverharp wrote: »
    PucaMama wrote: »
    Kind of like MGTOW who lack self confidence.

    citation needed?, The only place I have come across mgtow is on youtube. the main thing I discerned was that they reject long term relationships with women and a common theme seems to be the risks of being dragged though the divorce courts and the like so they say long term relationships aren't worth it. Again its kind of a US thing and again the most views their videos ever get is 20K or 30K which again out of a population of tens of millions doesn't even register.
    What do you need a citation for? If you want to know about MGTOW got to the men's forum on here. Or reddit. Or their own websites.


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    #83
    Colser
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    By not paying for it do you mean finding a partner or just a ONS ?


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    #84
    Shenshen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    tritium wrote: »
    I'd never seen this term before now!

    Hilarious how quickly some of the regular posters here jumped in to label them all misogynists though. A few crazy posts somewhere on the internet and all of a sudden the whole group are women haters. Apparently some groups can claim to 'not be a hive mind' when their extremists are called out while other groups, like this one, all deserve to be tarred with a common brush- mind boggling the double standards we see at times.

    Interestingly the IT ran a piece today on how many older (not old) and more educated women find it difficult to find a partner. An academic from trinitys sociology department discussed in great detail how their findings were all about how society was letting these women down. I wont hold my breath waiting for one or two posters here to decry the academics in question, or indeed all these women, as men haters for the social status they find themselves in though.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/better-educated-women-find-it-harder-to-meet-partner-1.3108512?mode=amp

    Huh? I thought the general tone here is that there are as many women out there struggling to find a partner as there are men?
    Only thing is, I somehow doubt these older and educated women would start groups on the internet to share their thoughts on raping strange men, or close family relations?


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    #85
    ohnonotgmail
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    If we presume these women are having sexy with men then doesn't that mean there's an equal amount of men having sex?

    never argue with a joke.


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    #86
    silverharp
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    tritium wrote: »

    Interestingly the IT ran a piece today on how many older (not old) and more educated women find it difficult to find a partner. An academic from trinitys sociology department discussed in great detail how their findings were all about how society was letting these women down. I wont hold my breath waiting for one or two posters here to decry the academics in question, or indeed all these women, as men haters for the social status they find themselves in though.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/better-educated-women-find-it-harder-to-meet-partner-1.3108512?mode=amp

    Ill give it a go :D , it sounds similar to an article I saw saying that women now have more college debt than men, the cynical response is, well that's an interesting way of saying less men go to college :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #87
    Colser
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    Shenshen wrote: »
    If women find it so easy to have sex with men, surely there would be no such thing as a man not being able to have sex with a woman? I do believe that the numbers are currently about 50%/50%?
    Or do you think all the women in the world queue up wanting sex with the same 3 or 4 guys?

    It comes up here regularly that women only fancy 20% of the male population or something to that affect...I think that's what the regular "chore sex" poster keeps banging on about ..


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    #88
    Shenshen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Colser wrote: »
    It comes up here regularly that women only fancy 20% of the male population or something to that affect...I think that's what the regular "chore sex" poster keeps banging on about ..

    And we all fancy the same 20%? Why has nobody ever told me? Do I need to ditch my husband now? Who should I fancy instead?


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    #89
    mzungu
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    How do you know they are not happy with their choice? For all you know ,they could very well be good with women, but just prefer to keep to themselves. There has been bachelor farmers for a hell of a lot longer than these internet movements.


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    #90
    silverharp
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    PucaMama wrote: »
    What do you need a citation for? If you want to know about MGTOW got to the men's forum on here. Or reddit. Or their own websites.

    I wouldn't have the time nor interest. I have listened to some mgtow youtubers and they don't come across as lacking confidence . Im sure like any group there is a bell curve of types but pinning them all as lacking confidence seems to just a way of dismissing them.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    pickarooney
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    Colser wrote: »
    I'd have thought that men have much easier access tbh with the availability of escorts ect.

    Where is the sex available on tap for women ?

    Surely that's proof of the exact opposite? Female prostitutes exist everywhere because it's a viable business and has been since the dawn of time. Male prostitutes who only have female clients are exceptionally rare. That there's no demand for them strongly suggests that either women don't need to pay for sex or are not all that bothered if they have to go without.


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