The big E3 discussion thread

Dyr

Are people still arguing that VR won't take off?

Weird.

K.O.Kiki

I can't keep watching these conferences.

Stop fvcking moving the camera out from the trailer to show us the crowd/stage!

kunst nugget

qrx wrote: »

Obviously PC gamers are not the target audience.

They are making sure all Xbox exclusives available on the Windows Store - how are they not a target audience?

qrx

Bambi wrote: »

Are people still arguing that VR won't take off?

Weird.

Well it was supposed to be the next big thing in 1996. So it's been a while on the runway. But I expect too much has been invested in the last 5-10 years. I think it's still a way off, it'll get there in another 10 I reckon.

Mickeroo

kunst nugget wrote: »

They are making sure all Xbox exclusives available on the Windows Store - how are they not a target audience?

They're not a target audience for the hardware. The average console gamer won't own a gaming PC. MS can sell their games to a demographic that aren't that likely to buy a console in the first place so it's a win win for them far as I can see.

When is Sonys turn?

Robert ninja

kunst nugget wrote: »

They are making sure all Xbox exclusives available on the Windows Store - how are they not a target audience?

It's a push to get more people locked into their eco, using Windows 10 and relying on their storefront. It's about locking people down, it has nothing to do with supporting PC gaming and you'd be a fool to believe anything MC does is for that benefit.
If they really gave a feck about supporting PC for gaming they'd have dropped DX12, shifted it into open source or redirected their efforts to other APIs that work other platforms or even just Windows XP, 7 & 8.. MC is just another apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

FAILSAFE 00

Robert ninja wrote: »

It's a push to get more people locked into their eco, using Windows 10 and relying on their storefront. It's about locking people down, it has nothing to do with supporting PC gaming and you'd be a fool to believe anything MC does is for that benefit.
If they really gave a feck about supporting PC for gaming they'd have dropped DX12, shifted it into open source or redirected their efforts to other APIs that work other platforms or even just Windows XP, 7 & 8.. MC is just another apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

Spot the linux user :P

ERG89

Bambi wrote:

Are people still arguing that VR won't take off?

Well I imagine those people are surprised at how few games are supporting it. Superhot looked a lot more adaptable to the hardware. A slowed down Doom game & the meh Fallout 4 is less than I was expecting.
There doesnt seem to be a big audience for it. I think I read recently the PSVR has sold a million but Sony's conference will say a lot tonight on it's future. How are the Rift & Vive selling now?

Xenji

M!Ck^ wrote: »

When is Sonys turn?

Today's Schedule.

PC Gaming Show - 18.00 GMT
Ubisoft - 21.00 GMT
Sony - 02.00 GMT

earthwormjack

M!Ck^ wrote: »

When is Sonys turn?

About 1am tonight I think.

edit: didn't see the above post.

kunst nugget

Robert ninja wrote: »

It's a push to get more people locked into their eco, using Windows 10 and relying on their storefront. It's about locking people down, it has nothing to do with supporting PC gaming and you'd be a fool to believe anything MC does is for that benefit.

Did I ever state anything to the contrary? I know they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

TitianGerm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As a PC gamer I can't but help feel no enthusiasm for the xbox one. It makes no sense to own one when all these games are coming to the PC as well. A new PC seems like a much better investment.

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Not everyone wants a PC or even has the space for one. Most console gamers like the plug and play element of a console.

As a PC gamer Microsoft have a chance to get some of your money now by allowing their titles to be play anywhere. Before a PC gamer might never have bothered with a Microsoft game because they didn't want the console.

qrx

emmetkenny wrote: »

Not everyone wants a PC or even has the space for one. Most console gamers like the plug and play element of a console.

As a PC gamer Microsoft have a chance to get some of your money now by allowing their titles to be play anywhere. Before a PC gamer might never have bothered with a Microsoft game because they didn't want the console.

Also, Most PC gamers eventually grow tired of the endless upgrade cycle of the PC. Sitting all day at a desk and then coming home and sitting at a desk all night. when that day comes and you finally join us lowly peasants on a console, you'll have a back catalog ready and waiting for you. You won't need to keep a 10 year old PC in the corner just in case you want to play your old games (but never actually do). Instead you can admire them in your Ready to Install list on your console

earthwormjack

There's no endless upgrade cycle. You upgrade whenever you want, new hardware releasing doesn't mean your current hardware stops working.

qrx

qrx wrote: »

Also, Most PC gamers eventually grow tired of the endless upgrade cycle of the PC. Sitting all day at a desk and then coming home and sitting at a desk all night. when that day comes and you finally join us lowly peasants on a console, you'll have a back catalog ready and waiting for you. You won't need to keep a 10 year old PC in the corner just in case you want to play your old games (but never actually do). Instead you can admire them in your Ready to Install list on your console

Do they, I have never grown tired of it and it's not as if you have to do it every other year, most PC gamers only upgrade every 4 or 5 years. I'm building a new PC this year and going to spend a decent amount on it so I can play 4k with all settings maxed out, that PC will do me for everything from gaming, video editing, day to day tasks etc and I'll even have it connected to my TV for some couch gaming. Sure the initial outlay is going to be expensive but I'll get more out of it than I put in over the next 4 years or so.

kunst nugget

qrx wrote: »

Also, Most PC gamers eventually grow tired of the endless upgrade cycle of the PC. Sitting all day at a desk and then coming home and sitting at a desk all night. when that day comes and you finally join us lowly peasants on a console, you'll have a back catalog ready and waiting for you. You won't need to keep a 10 year old PC in the corner just in case you want to play your old games (but never actually do). Instead you can admire them in your Ready to Install list on your console

I'm a console player myself. I can't say I've ever really heard people complain about the nightmare scenario you've presented above for PC gaming.

qrx

earthwormjack wrote: »

There's no endless upgrade cycle. You upgrade whenever you want, new hardware releasing doesn't mean your current hardware stops working.

I'm an ex PC gamer. Eventually you need to upgrade. Of course you do I can't believe you can even argue otherwise. I never suggested it's a regular cycle.

qrx

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm a console player myself. I can't say I've ever really heard people complain about the nightmare scenario you've presented above for PC gaming.

What nightmare scenario?

qrx

qrx wrote: »

I'm an ex PC gamer. Eventually you need to upgrade. Of course you do I can't believe you can even argue otherwise. I never suggested it's a regular cycle.

I'm a console and a PC gamer and eventually you have to upgrade your console. Same with a PC, every 4 or 5 years you add a little to your PC and go from there.

earthwormjack

qrx wrote: »

I'm an ex PC gamer. Eventually you need to upgrade. Of course you do I can't believe you can even argue otherwise. I never suggested it's a regular cycle.

It sounded that way when you said an endless upgrade cycle, my mistake. If that's the case though, consoles are an endless upgrade cycle too. You need to upgrade everything eventually. If you built a PC on the same day as buying a console they'd last the same time. The PC probably longer due to adjustable settings.

Robert ninja

kunst nugget wrote: »

Did I ever state anything to the contrary?

Nope.

emmetkenny wrote: »

As a PC gamer Microsoft have a chance to get some of your money now by allowing their titles to be play anywhere.

Windows 10 & XBO
Hardly anywhere

emmetkenny wrote: »

Not everyone wants a PC or even has the space for one. Most console gamers like the plug and play element of a console.

They also liked

• Not having to update games/system
• Games working on launch
• No upgrade paths
• No subscription fees
• Consistent performance

8th gen has none of that so isn't 'plug n' play'. At a Tekken 7 tournament I attended the PS4s were asking me to sign in because I plugged my controller in. It caused a lot of delays everywhere because the consoles would end up racking dozens of 'guest' accounts that the tournament staff would have to delete and manage between every player switch.

qrx wrote: »

Sitting all day at a desk and then coming home and sitting at a desk all night.

Not everyone works at a desk. Not everyone plays games at a desk. My sis plays games on her PC in bed with a gamepad.

qrx wrote: »

when that day comes and you finally join us lowly peasants on a console, you'll have a back catalog ready and waiting for you.

qrx wrote: »

You won't need to keep a 10 year old PC in the corner just in case you want to play your old games

No, you can play them on your new system. PS3 dropped backwards compatibility FYI. I was super disappointed because my original fat PS3 was stolen.

qrx wrote: »

Also, Most PC gamers eventually grow tired of the endless upgrade cycle of the PC. Sitting all day at a desk and then coming home and sitting at a desk all night. when that day comes and you finally join us lowly peasants on a console, you'll have a back catalog ready and waiting for you. You won't need to keep a 10 year old PC in the corner just in case you want to play your old games (but never actually do). Instead you can admire them in your Ready to Install list on your console

qrx wrote: »

I'm an ex PC gamer. Eventually you need to upgrade.

To play the latest games, yes. Just like you need to buy a new console to play the latest console games. No difference other than that on PC all your games, controllers & peripherals come with you.

earthwormjack wrote: »

It sounded that way when you said an endless upgrade cycle, my mistake. If that's the case though, consoles are an endless upgrade cycle too. You need to upgrade everything eventually. If you built a PC on the same day as buying a console they'd last the same time. The PC probably longer due to adjustable settings.

Someone got Tekken 7 working on intergrated CPU graphics by playing the game at like 500p or something

qrx

OK I seem to have offended some people. Bizarre, but I've no problem taking it back. You don't need to upgrade your PC and PC gamers don't grow tired and switch to the console couch living lifestyle. My apologies.

Osmosis Jones

qrx wrote: »

OK I seem to have offended some people. Bizarre, but I've no problem taking it back. You don't need to upgrade your PC and PC gamers don't grow tired and switch to the console couch living lifestyle. My apologies.

But that's not what you said.

Anyway just had a look at the Anthem gameplay and it does look an awful lot like Destiny, not really into another one of these loot shooters.

earthwormjack

You didn't offend anyone man. You need to upgrade everything - PC, consoles, phone, TV, car. And sure, some people can't stop upgrading their PC and probably swap to consoles to quit doing it for good. I'm sure it happens. I'm still happily using a GTX 970@1440P and will be for some time yet.

With PC gaming growing year over year it seems like people are enjoying building and tinkering with PCs more and more.

Osmosis Jones

Also from watching bits of the Microsoft conference I actually never knew Player Unknown was Irish

Robert ninja

Nobody was offended here. But someone was as The Last Night's dev had to apologise for wrong-think.
https://twitter.com/rawfurygames/status/874140352860618753

titan18

Tbf, upgrade cycle isnt that bad nowadays. I'm still rocking a 2500k and only upgrade GPU in 5 years. In comparison to 15 years ago, it's great

Robert ninja

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, upgrade cycle isnt that bad nowadays. I'm still rocking a 2500k and only upgrade GPU in 5 years. In comparison to 15 years ago, it's great

I've seen pixel indie games with higher requirements than Crysis. The requirements go up but the graphics don't seem to match it. Consoles are probably a reason you don't need to upgrade PC so much since there's so few graphically intensive and technologically ambitious PC-only games. Maybe we'll hear some at E3 but I doubt it.

SolvableKnave

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Anyway just had a look at the Anthem gameplay and it does look an awful lot like Destiny, not really into another one of these loot shooters.

The scripted dialogue was awful.
The game looks very pretty. I'll be keeping it on my radar as it looks interesting enough to me. Whenever a beta appears I'll give it a go. I wonder how long the Timed Exclusivity is.