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The big E3 discussion thread

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    #1652
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,743 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    qrx wrote: »
    It's a multiplatform game and Sony just pulled a dick "if you want to use our logo you have to meet our demands" move. All speculation of course.

    Sorry, but now you're just inventing stuff to be angry over.


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    #1653
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Penn wrote: »
    It's up to the developers not to sell the farm.

    Are those timed exclusive ultimately of benefit to the developers. Weren't Rise of the Tomb Raider's sales on the PS4 pretty dismal once it was released?


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    #1654
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Penn wrote: »
    It just seems odd for him to have made those comments after having showcased so many timed exclusives during their conference.

    I think it's because he's a massive Destiny fan. He's put over 600 hours in the the first one and seems genuinely pissed off that he won't be able to play everything from the sequel on the Xbox X.


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    #1655
    heebusjeebus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    I can see it being annoying for Phil as he's a lot weaker hand when negotiating these deals due to such a low user base on the XBox.
    If publishers think it will affect total sales, they are more likely to side with the console with the largest market share.

    Phil toured some Japanese publishers earlier this year. Would be interesting to see if he was able to convince Sega or Atlus to start releasing games for the XBox.


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    #1656
    qrx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭qrx


    Penn wrote: »
    Sorry, but now you're just inventing stuff to be angry over.
    Apology accepted. I'm not in the slightest bit angry.


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    #1657
    Penn
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Are those timed exclusive ultimately of benefit to the developers. Weren't Rise of the Tomb Raider's sales on the PS4 pretty dismal once it was released?

    They weren't great. It's sold near equal numbers on both XB1 and PS4 even though the XB1 version had a year head start (though the PS4 version came with more content and was a TR 20th Anniversary edition which likely also helped). It still only sold about 3.2m combined. Horizon Zero Dawn has sold almost as much in about 3 months.

    To be honest, the biggest trouble I think was when it was released, during Christmas rush in both years. In terms of whether the timed exclusivity deal was of benefit to the developers, it's just impossible to answer the question without knowing how much money MS paid for it. Whether it offset the development costs enough to balance out lower-than-expected sales figures or not.


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    #1658
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    Tomb Raider had lost all momentum when it was farted out 9 months after the XBOX release. Didn't do well at all. Have it on Steam but never finished it.


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    #1659
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    super_furry wrote: »
    I think it's because he's a massive Destiny fan. He's put over 600 hours in the the first one and seems genuinely pissed off that he won't be able to play everything from the sequel on the Xbox X.

    He should get himself a PS4 then… :P


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    #1660
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    kunst nugget wrote:
    Are those timed exclusive ultimately of benefit to the developers. Weren't Rise of the Tomb Raider's sales on the PS4 pretty dismal once it was released?

    Its estimated first week sales on PS4 was bigger than the first week sales of Xbox One, 360 and PC combined. It did fine on PS4 but the year delay didn't help it, shame as it was a decent game. I picked it up on the One for cheap a month after it came out and did rebuy it for the PS4 for the VR mission and to try it in 4K. Again only because I got it cheap .

    Anyone who thinks that Sony said "you can't use our logo or slogan without giving us exclusive stuff" is deluded. Sony paid for the exclusivity or else offered a huge incentive. Phil Spencer whinging about it is comical, he has no problem when it's his company doing it but when it's Sony it's wrong and ungamer. His only regret is that he didn't get the deal.


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    #1661
    super_furry
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    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Tomb Raider had lost all momentum when it was farted out 9 months after the XBOX release. Didn't do well at all. Have it on Steam but never finished it.

    Not too sure about that, it sold 8.5 million copies across all platforms and is the biggest selling game in the franchise ever.


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    #1662
    EoinHef
    Registered Users Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Saint Phil!!

    Patron saint of wronged gamers:D

    Wonder if he was offered the exclusive deal on destiny 2 tomorrow would he take it? My guess is he would bite bungies hand off to get it.

    I agree these deals are ****ty though,they dont benefit gamers in any way really.

    Also id agree the publishers/devs have a lot to answer for,all they have to do is say no to these deals. Id imagine there offering them to platform holders at this stage. Can be so short sighted,short term profit but potential damage to IP in the long run.


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    #1663
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    EoinHef wrote:
    Also id agree the publishers/devs have a lot to answer for,all they have to do is say no to these deals. Id imagine there offering them to platform holders at this stage. Can be so short sighted,short term profit but potential damage to IP in the long run.

    When you have games rushed out into the middle of the busiest month of the year because someone made a deal with Nestle and they have half a billion and branded packets to put on shelves, you know that the industry is inherently screwed


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    #1664
    Jerichoholic
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Not too sure about that, it sold 8.5 million copies across all platforms and is the biggest selling game in the franchise ever.

    Rise of the Tomb Raider sold less than 2 million on ps4, and 1.5 million on Xbox.


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    #1665
    kunst nugget
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Not too sure about that, it sold 8.5 million copies across all platforms and is the biggest selling game in the franchise ever.

    I think he means Rise of the Tomb Raider which would have less than half those sales I think.


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    #1666
    Penn
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Not too sure about that, it sold 8.5 million copies across all platforms and is the biggest selling game in the franchise ever.

    Think that's the rebooted one from 2013 for 360 and PS3. That figure would also include the Definitive Editions then released for XB1 and PS4.

    Rise of the Tomb Raider hasn't sold half that.
    PS4 - 1.69m
    360 - 0.34m
    XB1 - 1.51m
    Windows - 0.15m
    http://www.vgchartz.com/game/82906/rise-of-the-tomb-raider/


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    #1667
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    That is grim.


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    #1668
    Generic Dreadhead
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    This thread is not long for this world. Any talk of E3 and the games long forgotten and replaced with the usual $h!te slinging match.


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    #1669
    super_furry
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    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Rise of the Tomb Raider sold less than 2 million on ps4, and 1.5 million on Xbox.

    Says more about the appetite for the game than anything else. The 2013 reboot had the exact same exclusivity deal.


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    #1670
    kunst nugget
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its estimated first week sales on PS4 was bigger than the first week sales of Xbox One, 360 and PC combined. It did fine on PS4 but the year delay didn't help it, shame as it was a decent game.

    Part of me wants to get it but after finishing Uncharted 4 not long ago, I don't know if I have the heart for another ledge-jumping game.


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    #1671
    Penn
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Says more about the appetite for the game than anything else. The 2013 reboot had the exact same exclusivity deal.

    No it didn't. It released on both on the same day. There were no timed exclusivity deals.


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    #1672
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    super_furry wrote: »
    Says more about the appetite for the game than anything else. The 2013 reboot had the exact same exclusivity deal.

    I don't think it did at all.


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    #1673
    super_furry
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Part of me wants to get it but after finishing Uncharted 4 not long ago, I don't know if I have the heart for another ledge-jumping game.

    You should. Both the 2013 reboot and Rise and much better games than Uncharted with less restriction and linearity.


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    #1674
    Varik
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Says more about the appetite for the game than anything else. The 2013 reboot had the exact same exclusivity deal.

    the 2013 game didn't have the timed exclusive deal PS3 and 360 got it March 13 while the PS4 and One got it January 2014.


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    #1675
    kunst nugget
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Says more about the appetite for the game than anything else. The 2013 reboot had the exact same exclusivity deal.

    No, it didn't. It was released on the Xbox360 and PS3 on the same day.


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    #1676
    super_furry
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    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    I don't think it did at all.

    Huh, turns out you're right. I was fully sure it was the same for both games.


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    #1677
    kunst nugget
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    super_furry wrote: »
    You should. Both the 2013 reboot and Rise and much better games than Uncharted with less restriction and linearity.

    I enjoyed the first one and I was going to pick it up Rise in Tesco while it was half price but they're sold out. I played a bit of the demo last night but I think I'll hold off a little while longer.


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    #1678
    Jerichoholic
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    Uncharted as amazing looking as it is, just gets really boring after a while.


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    #1679
    Retr0gamer
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    Any e that thinks bubgie are paying to put a Playstation logo in their advert doesn't know how business works. Sony is paying to have that in the adverts.
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    #1680
    SeantheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭SeantheMan


    Jerichoholic wrote: »
    Uncharted as amazing looking as it is, just gets really boring after a while.

    I stopped halfway through 3 because it got boring, but in saying that I started 4 yesterday...because it was on sale on PSN.


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    #1681
    Jerichoholic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    I meant 4! I really should specify. Hated the first 2 with respawning enemies and horrible shooting.


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