Any conspiracy in all these terrorist attacks?

conditioned games

I'm sorry, you have not addressed my points at all.

conditioned games wrote: »

We live in a world of controlled manipulation through the mainstream media. Having an actor play a dead victim is easier to capture through the lens than finding people in the immediate aftermath of a bomb. Why leave it to chance to get the right photo broadcast to the world.

Why would they have trouble finding a victim in the aftermath of a bomb?
Why wouldn't they just plant two people, a camera man and a victim, get the shot they need for whatever reason and just use a real bomb?

What purpose does the rest of it serve other than to leave clues for folks like you?

conditioned games wrote: »

The actors changed behind the ambulances. From the video it looks like it is from a camera phone from a distance. It looks like they thought no one was looking while they changed.

But you just said that they didn't want to take chances, up to the point of hiring fake victims to make sure they got nice pictures.
But now you are saying they're willing to leave stuff to chance when it comes to the actual event?
Having these actors pull double shifts and change on site in full view seems like a pointless, unnecessary risk.

Why would they take this risk, but not the risk associated with using a real bomb? It doesn't make sense...

conditioned games wrote: »

From the footage it looks like Crisis Solutions are been cheap. Firstly the actors were police, then they changed clothes, some into ambulance crew and some to pose as victims.

Why would they be cheap? Why go through all of this expense to fake every aspect of the attack (and others) only then to cheap out on actors?

You know what would be far far cheaper?
Real bomb.

greenspurs

conditioned games wrote: »

Lack of video evidence in Manchester and London, simulated staging of terror attack with police before they happen, attackers so happen to be known to police and with their ID on them, prevention of real firefighters and ambulances to the scene, Crisis Solutions who stage the terror attacks in advance have the 666 symbol in their logo meaning their Luciferian, in photos showing dummies as dead they take off the shoes which is a symbol to other Luciferians around the world they are in control and also the tendency to use 11th and 22nd of month to stage the false flag attacks.

Where would one find out about all these examples you have given ?

conditioned games

greenspurs wrote: »

Where would one find out about all these examples you have given ?

From various sources on youtube. I listen to some videos from Ole Dammegard such as the one below where he tries to decode the messages the global elites leave in the false flag attacks, so he can predict where the next one is. He has got a few of them right such as the recent one in London. The next one is meant to be planned for Copenhagen so we shall see.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwoS7uRAWg

Dohnjoe

Ole Dammegard is another one of these nonsense-merchants, holocaust denier types who make money from gullible people selling them fantastical horse****

He's as bad as Alex Jones

Conspiracy theorists really need to take off the blinkers, open their eyes and ask questions about these types of people who make a living off this

conditioned games

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ole Dammegard is another one of these nonsense-merchants, holocaust denier types who make money from gullible people selling them fantastical horse****

He's as bad as Alex Jones

Conspiracy theorists really need to take off the blinkers, open their eyes and ask questions about these types of people who make a living off this

Of course, let's take the blinkers off and rely on the mass produced garbage from the controlled mainstream media. And if anyone questions the brainwashing from the mainstream media we will call them conspiracy theorists.

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

Of course, let's take the blinkers off and rely on the mass produced garbage from the controlled mainstream media. And if anyone questions the brainwashing from the mainstream media we will call them conspiracy theorists.

Are you going to be answering my questions at any point?

Why should anyone buy into your version of events when you can't show how it makes sense?

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

Of course, let's take the blinkers off and rely on the mass produced garbage from the controlled mainstream media. And if anyone questions the brainwashing from the mainstream media we will call them conspiracy theorists.

You are comparing hundreds of diverse credible and accountable sources, broadsheets, long-standing independent media outlets (like the Guardian), national broadcasters, veteran reporters, independent and freelance journalists, experts and academics (including thousands of historians), scientific journals; countries with the highest standards of impartiality and rated highest on the press free index

With monkeys who make youtube videos..

really?

It's the mental euivalent of dismissing hundreds of years of astronomy and the efforts and studies of thousands of scientists in favour of mystic meg's horoscope.. then lecturing other people to get their heads out of the sand

conditioned games

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are comparing hundreds of diverse credible and accountable sources, broadsheets, long-standing independent media outlets (like the Guardian), national broadcasters, veteran reporters, independent and freelance journalists, experts and academics (including thousands of historians), scientific journals; countries with the highest standards of impartiality and rated highest on the press free index

With monkeys who make youtube videos..

really?

It's the mental euivalent of dismissing hundreds of years of astronomy and the efforts and studies of thousands of scientists in favour of mystic meg's horoscope.. then lecturing other people to get their heads out of the sand

Credible sources, really? So for example when the US used chemical weapons in Syria to blame Assad and 48hrs later dropped bombs, did RTE news for example verify where the chemical weapons came from, or did they go with what they were told. They had no issue saying Assad did it without any proof.

Nearly every news channel and print media use the same language, blame the same people and go with the same version of what happened. Do any of these actually investigate what happened or do they rehash what they're told.

With instant media all around the world, they all use the same version of events from the same grapevine without any of them taking the time to question what they have been told. And you think this information is impartial and accurate?

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

Nearly every news channel and print media use the same language, blame the same people and go with the same version of what happened. Do any of these actually investigate what happened or do they rehash what they're told.

Funny you say this when my points remain completely unaddressed.
Did you investigate (and I mean really investigate, not watch youtube videos) any of the claims you repeated? Did you question any of them?

The fact that you were unable to address my points and the fact you're burying your head and trying to pretend they don't exist show that you have not.

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

Credible sources, really? So for
example when the US used chemical weapons in Syria to blame Assad and 48hrs later dropped bombs, did RTE news for example verify where the chemical weapons came from, or did they go with what they were told. They had no issue saying Assad did it without any proof.

That's your personal conspiracy theory. Experts and reporters on the ground contradict those kind of views

Nearly every news channel and print media use the same language, blame the same people and go with the same version of what happened. Do any of these actually investigate what happened or do they rehash what they're told.

Different countries, different cultures, different languages, they report and investigate that's their job. Quality depends on the outlet, the story, their reporters and a host of factors.

With instant media all around the world, they all use the same version of events from the same grapevine without any of them taking the time to question what they have been told. And you think this information is impartial and accurate?

Again this is your personal world view - it doesn't represent reality. If it were true they'd all save a lot of money sending one or two reporters to Ukraine - instead there were hundreds from all over the world, independently verifying and corroborating the information

Deciding information must be controlled, because it's the same - is pretty ridiculous

It's the same because it represents the truth. Multiple reports on a football match? the same, why? it's what happened

Ipso

I feel my rights and freedoms are safe if the people who are going to take them away can't think of hiring different people for different parts of their false flags.

conditioned games

King Mob wrote: »

Funny you say this when my points remain completely unaddressed.
Did you investigate (and I mean really investigate, not watch youtube videos) any of the claims you repeated? Did you question any of them?

The fact that you were unable to address my points and the fact you're burying your head and trying to pretend they don't exist show that you have not.

Possible reasons why they use the same actors is it is easier to keep the charade under wraps the less people that know or maybe they get a kick out of using the same people, see how asleep the population is and their way of mocking us. Below is more pictures of people used at different false flag events. Definitely worth keeping an open mind at least rather than immediately believing everything the mainstream media tells you.

http://thetruthfulone.com/false-flag-crisis-actors/

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

Possible reasons why they use the same actors is it is easier to keep the charade under wraps the less people that know or maybe they get a kick out of using the same people, see how asleep the population is and their way of mocking us. Below is more pictures of people used at different false flag events. Definitely worth keeping an open mind at least rather than immediately believing everything the mainstream media tells you.

http://thetruthfulone.com/false-flag-crisis-actors/

So all the dead terrorists are actors, then the police that shot them must be actors too right? and the 8 victims are also actors? (presumably that means all their family, relatives and friends are actors too or it would be blown), which would mean the 48 wounded in the hospital are actors also, and their friends, families and relatives too.. obviously that means all the hundreds of first responders, emergency staff, medical staff, doctors, surgeons, nurses across the 8 hospitals who treated these "fake wounds" are also actors..

Do they continue working at these hospitals? are they mixed with real staff? if they are.. won't the real staff notice hundreds of "new" staff suddenly appearing/disappearing?

And all the investigators, involved metropolitan police, forensics, pathologists, detectives.. presumably actors too right or the whole thing is blown.. do they just appear or do they have to work for years to build a back story? where do the advertise for these acting jobs? on the internet? craigslist?

"Wanted: 65 professional doctors to treat fake wounded people, involves several years work in a hospital, good pay, shot if you reveal the story"

conditioned games

This addresses some of my points, but not all of them. Are you going back to address the others or are you going to continue ignoring them?
Maybe you can explain why you are ignoring them?

conditioned games wrote: »

Possible reasons why they use the same actors is it is easier to keep the charade under wraps the less people that know or maybe they get a kick out of using the same people, see how asleep the population is and their way of mocking us.

But these explainations don't make sense and they are self contradictory.
You say they are using the same actors to keep the conspiracy small. However this fails to make sense as Dohnjoe points out, it would require hundreds of actors to pull off. A handful of them pulling double duty would not make much of a difference. Additionally, if they were concerned about keeping the conspiracy small, then they would just plant a real bomb. That would require far far less people to pull off.

You reasons also contradict each other. You say they want to keep the conspiracy small, presumably to keep it secret. But then you say that they are deliberately leaving clues for ****s and giggles.
So they want to keep it secret, but they also want to tell everyone?
That doesn't make sense and it's a contradiction in terms.

Finally, you previously claimed that the reason that thesse supposedly fake police officers were caught was because it was a mistake:

conditioned games wrote: »

The actors changed behind the ambulances. From the video it looks like it is from a camera phone from a distance. It looks like they thought no one was looking while they changed.

Now you're saying that it was on purpose?
Which is it? Cause they contradict each other and can't both be the explanation, nor do either of them make sense alone...

Your explanations don't seem to make any sort of sense and it appears like you are just spouting the first thing that pops to your head without actually thinking about it...

conditioned games wrote: »

Below is more pictures of people used at different false flag events. Definitely worth keeping an open mind at least rather than immediately believing everything the mainstream media tells you.

http://thetruthfulone.com/false-flag-crisis-actors/

So immediately believe everything conspiracy theory media tell you even if it doesn't make any sense if you apply a second of critical thought to it?

conditioned games

The questions of why the global elites use actors for their false flags is something they can know. I can only hazard a guess for their motives. One reason I highlighted is it's an experiment of how much they can get away with and it's their way of mocking the masses. There was a backlash over the below stunt they pulled when they used strange names for 4 pilots that crash landed in San Fran. In that case they went too far and had to backtrack by firing tv producers.


https://www.dailydot.com/news/ktvu-fires-producers-racist-asiana-gaffe/

thomasm

conditioned games wrote: »

The questions of why the global elites use actors for their false flags is something they can know. I can only hazard a guess for their motives. One reason I highlighted is it's an experiment of how much they can get away with and it's their way of mocking the masses. There was a backlash over the below stunt they pulled when they used strange names for 4 pilots that crash landed in San Fran. In that case they went too far and had to backtrack by firing tv producers.


https://www.dailydot.com/news/ktvu-fires-producers-racist-asiana-gaffe/

Mocking the masses!! So it's not world domination just them having a bit of craic

conditioned games

For world domination they will need a one world currency and government. Given the masses believe everything they are told through the controlled mainstream media, if I were them I too would experiment on what they can get away with. Other forms of experimentation they use are subliminal messages through music and cartoons. Check out the below

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U2T3n9cFA2w

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

The questions of why the global elites use actors for their false flags is something they can know.

You've yet to establish they they do use actors in the first place.
And now, given that you're admitting that you cannot explain why they would do so, we're not seeing a very good reason to believe your claim.

It simply does not make any sense for them to use actors and were the conspiracy theory true, they would not use actors at all.

conditioned games wrote: »

I can only hazard a guess for their motives. One reason I highlighted is it's an experiment of how much they can get away with and it's their way of mocking the masses.

Yes, and it's been pointed out how this doesn't make sense and contradicts all of the other motives you've claimed.


Please stop ignoring questions. They do not go away when you do.
It just makes it look like you are doing what you are accusing all us doubters of.

By ignoring these questions it looks exactly like you have bought what the media has told you without question...

It looks more like you'd prefer to spam random links rather than debate or try to convince anyone of your arguments....

Overheal

conditioned games wrote: »

The questions of why the global elites use actors for their false flags is something they can know. I can only hazard a guess for their motives. One reason I highlighted is it's an experiment of how much they can get away with and it's their way of mocking the masses. There was a backlash over the below stunt they pulled when they used strange names for 4 pilots that crash landed in San Fran. In that case they went too far and had to backtrack by firing tv producers.


https://www.dailydot.com/news/ktvu-fires-producers-racist-asiana-gaffe/

Widely understood that the local station reacted to a bad tip/phone prank and they tried to "scoop" the pilot names before the national media. Not sure how or why that would constitute a conspiracy.

Doesn't address King Mobs excellent point of why it wouldn't be more expedient to just plant real bombs or perform real attacks.

You're jumping all over the place here. The only conspiracy here seems to be someone trolling and they are running out of ice to skate on. Yes. That's a warning.

conditioned games

King Mob wrote: »

You've yet to establish they they do use actors in the first place.
And now, given that you're admitting that you cannot explain why they would do so, we're not seeing a very good reason to believe your claim.

It simply does not make any sense for them to use actors and were the conspiracy theory true, they would not use actors at all.


Yes, and it's been pointed out how this doesn't make sense and contradicts all of the other motives you've claimed.


Please stop ignoring questions. They do not go away when you do.
It just makes it look like you are doing what you are accusing all us doubters of.

By ignoring these questions it looks exactly like you have bought what the media has told you without question...

It looks more like you'd prefer to spam random links rather than debate or try to convince anyone of your arguments....

It would make sense to use crisis actors, as it would be easier to get the right message across the controlled mainstream media by having an operation that is more tightly controlled. Their goal here is to manipulate public sentiment to agree to their pre-determined agenda. Using crisis actors does help to get their message across. If you have any other questions, list them in bullet points and I'll see if I can answer them.

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

It would make sense to use crisis actors, as it would be easier to get the right message across the controlled mainstream media by having an operation that is more tightly controlled. Their goal here is to manipulate public sentiment to agree to their pre-determined agenda. Using crisis actors does help to get their message across. If you have any other questions, list them in bullet points and I'll see if I can answer them.

How does using crisis actors make it easier to get the point across?
Why would they be unable to get their point across by using a real bomb?
Why do you say that it is more tightly controlled when you then point to pictures that you believe slip out and show mistakes? Doesn't this indicate that the don't control it? Or are you now saying it's on purpose?
If their goal is to control the scene to put out a message, why then to they risk it by leaving deliberate clues?

I'm sure I can think of more questions, but these are the main ones.
I'd also like you to outline precisely how many actors there were and who was involved in the conspiracy, cause it seems like you believe it's every single person at the event...

conditioned games

King Mob wrote: »

How does using crisis actors make it easier to get the point across?
Why would they be unable to get their point across by using a real bomb?
Why do you say that it is more tightly controlled when you then point to pictures that you believe slip out and show mistakes? Doesn't this indicate that the don't control it? Or are you now saying it's on purpose?
If their goal is to control the scene to put out a message, why then to they risk it by leaving deliberate clues?

I'm sure I can think of more questions, but these are the main ones.
I'd also like you to outline precisely how many actors there were and who was involved in the conspiracy, cause it seems like you believe it's every single person at the event...

Crisis actors can best protray the images of ordinary people been caught up in the attack. A girl looking distressed on a phone, guy looking dead on the road etc.. These would be the perfect pictures to get across the world.

Using a real bomb will need real ambulance crew, police and fire brigade to attend. Getting the right picture during all this commotion would prove more difficult than in a controlled environment.

I'm not fully sure why they use the same actors in some of the false flag attacks. Possibly it is an experiment on their side to see how far they can push the manipulation.

My guess on why they leave deliberate clues is to due with negative forces of karma. By giving the public a chance to find the clues and thereby choosing to ignore them, the global elites avoid all negative effects of karma.

I don't know how many actors there were, I am basing my opinion on pictures of the same people being used in various false flag attacks. I don't believe the exact same actors are used every time, but there has been an overlap with some of the actors they have used.

Brother Luke

NIMAN wrote: »

Now before I start, I have to say that I wouldn't be a great believer in most conspiracy theories.

But over the last couple of years, seeing all these attacks in France, Belgium and the UK, it is shocking that in most of the cases "the attackers were known to police".

It would be incredibly hard to stop unknowns carrying out acts, but so many of these nuts seem to have been on a radar. I also appreciate how hard it is to keep track of potential terrorists.

Some might say they are being allowed to carry out a certain number of attacks so that the Gov can introduce harsh laws, states of emergency etc, or to get the general public to see more military spending and invasions as necessary? All done with a relatively small number of the public killed?

In the latest attack, one of the guys even appeared in a TV documentary basically saying "look at me, I'm a mad Jihadi". Yet he was able to go out and crash a van into people then stab others to death!

Did you ever consider that those countries bring it on themselves?

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

Crisis actors can best protray the images of ordinary people been caught up in the attack. A girl looking distressed on a phone, guy looking dead on the road etc.. These would be the perfect pictures to get across the world.

Using a real bomb will need real ambulance crew, police and fire brigade to attend. Getting the right picture during all this commotion would prove more difficult than in a controlled environment.

That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't any photos like that come out of using a real bomb? Why wouldn't a planted photographer be able to get what they need? This is a bizarre claim.
Why would actors be better at portraying people caught in a bomb attack than people caught in a bomb attack.

conditioned games wrote: »

I'm not fully sure why they use the same actors in some of the false flag attacks. Possibly it is an experiment on their side to see how far they can push the manipulation.

Again, nonsense.
Why would they want to push it, yet also want to control everything? That's contradictory.

conditioned games wrote: »

My guess on why they leave deliberate clues is to due with negative forces of karma. By giving the public a chance to find the clues and thereby choosing to ignore them, the global elites avoid all negative effects of karma.

Several problems here. One that wouldn't absolve them of bad karma. The karma would only effect them after they died. If you believe they are satanic, they won't believe in karma. And lastly, karma doesn't exist.

This is your silliest claim yet. These people are tricking and killing people, but they're worried about being good people? That doesn't make sense.

conditioned games wrote: »

I don't know how many actors there were, I am basing my opinion on pictures of the same people being used in various false flag attacks. I don't believe the exact same actors are used every time, but there has been an overlap with some of the actors they have used.

I know you don't know how many people because it is obvious that you haven't put much thought into this theory.
Dohnjoe listed the people who have had to be involved at minimum. Do you believe all of these people were involved?
What of the crowd? We're they all actors? They must have been since you believe they must all be controlled so as to get a nice picture...
Or is it possible to take pictures in a chaotic crowd?

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

The questions of why the global elites use actors for their false flags is something they can know.

It comes across as odd to create your own facts and fictional groups/actors, then act as if they have some undetermined will you don't know anything about - it's another cop out

On a side note, Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013, believed 911 was an inside job. Dzhokhar is currently on death row, it must be with the grimmest irony that he sees his twin bombings.. being labelled an inside job, and the people that he and Tamerlan personally killed (e.g. Sean Collier at close range).. being called "actors"

conditioned games

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It comes across as odd to create your own facts and fictional groups/actors, then act as if they have some undetermined will you don't know anything about - it's another cop out

On a side note, Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his brother Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013, believed 911 was an inside job. Dzhokhar is currently on death row, it must be with the grimmest irony that he sees his twin bombings.. being labelled an inside job, and the people that he and Tamerlan personally killed (e.g. Sean Collier at close range).. being called "actors"

The Tsarnaev brothers did not carry out the Boston marathon bombings. They were set up. The backpacks they had did not match the bags used in the bombings as pictured in the aftermath per below. There were 2 secret police captured on camera leading up to it, both had backpacks matching the exploded bags pictured after the 2 bombs. These 2 people were initially accused by some media until the CIA released photos of the Tsarnaev brothers saying it was them. One was later killed and one got away but got captured while the cameras were on.


http://www.hangthebankers.com/proof-boston-marathon-bombing-was-a-false-flag-operation/

conditioned games

conditioned games wrote: »

The Tsarnaev brothers did not carry out the Boston marathon bombings. They were set up. The backpacks they had did not match the bags used in the bombings as pictured in the aftermath per below. There were 2 secret police captured on camera leading up to it, both had backpacks matching the exploded bags pictured after the 2 bombs. These 2 people were initially accused by some media until the CIA released photos of the Tsarnaev brothers saying it was them. One was later killed and one got away but got captured while the cameras were on.


http://www.hangthebankers.com/proof-boston-marathon-bombing-was-a-false-flag-operation/

You are once again ignoring questions and points you cannot answer. Spamming yet more conspiracy theory claims that you have swallowed without question is not going to convince anyone and it is not going to make those questions go away. It just makes the conspiracy theory look even more ridiculous than it already is.

So since it's pointless to chase you up on the questions you've dodged and you are only going to dodge any difficult questions about these new claims, perhaps you could at least answer one question:

What recent tragedies have not been false flags and how do you tell the difference?

Dohnjoe

conditioned games wrote: »

The Tsarnaev brothers did not carry out the Boston marathon bombings. They were set up. The backpacks they had did not match the bags used in the bombings as pictured in the aftermath per below. There were 2 secret police captured on camera leading up to it, both had backpacks matching the exploded bags pictured after the 2 bombs. These 2 people were initially accused by some media until the CIA released photos of the Tsarnaev brothers saying it was them. One was later killed and one got away but got captured while the cameras were on.

The backpacks matched. The CCTV from Boylston street is pretty good. The CIA didn't release photos, the FBI did. They doing throwing home-made grenades and at least one pressure cooker bomb at the police in Watertown.. the same type of pressure cooker bombs that went off at the marathon finish line.. I don't know how that's a setup, what, mind control

I don't want to be too harsh here, but it's the hypocrisy that is the staggering part. You are blindly accepting false information without question, then spreading that disinformation, then you have the balls to lecture people on blindly accepting disinformation.. which is actually fact

It's mind-bending stuff when you think about it

conditioned games

King Mob wrote: »

You are once again ignoring questions and points you cannot answer. Spamming yet more conspiracy theory claims that you have swallowed without question is not going to convince anyone and it is not going to make those questions go away. It just makes the conspiracy theory look even more ridiculous than it already is.

So since it's pointless to chase you up on the questions you've dodged and you are only going to dodge any difficult questions about these new claims, perhaps you could at least answer one question:

What recent tragedies have not been false flags and how do you tell the difference?

After I answer your questions you come back and repeat the same questions. It's like you don't read the answers.

I would look at each attack on a individual basis to see if it is a false flag attack. Most of what I have seen so far are false flags.

conditioned games

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The backpacks matched. The CCTV from Boylston street is pretty good. The CIA didn't release photos, the FBI did. They doing throwing home-made grenades and at least one pressure cooker bomb at the police in Watertown.. the same type of pressure cooker bombs that went off at the marathon finish line.. I don't know how that's a setup, what, mind control

I don't want to be too harsh here, but it's the hypocrisy that is the staggering part. You are blindly accepting false information without question, then spreading that disinformation, then you have the balls to lecture people on blindly accepting disinformation.. which is actually fact

It's mind-bending stuff when you think about it

The backpacks don't match, it's obvious you didn't look at the footage. One had a white backpack while the other had a brown one. The torn up one after it exploded was black and matched the look of the backpacks carried by the secret police.

You talk about accepting false information yet you accept information about them throwing grenades without evidence. It would appear you keep a closed mind and accept whatever the controlled mainstream media tells you.