Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

Stoner

Jayop wrote:

It's a bit funny listening to Dubs complaining about not getting a neutral venue.

Go on Jayop. Sure you guys must get one game there once a year at this stage!

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

Go on Jayop. Sure you guys must get one game there once a year at this stage!

Maybe on average over the last fifteen years.

RuMan

dirtyden wrote: »

Semple is a GAA venue and it more importantly is a hurling venue. It may give Tipp a small advantage given familiarity but it was the obvious choice for these games given the 4 teams who are playing. I think this thing of a home draw is a moot point. Croke park is the obvious venue when Dublin footballers play because you get the biggest crowd and Semple for this game was the best venue.

It's a home draw for Tipp.
I'd be favour of the footballers playing on the road a lot more , I see no need to give our footballers or Tipp hurlers extra advantages against weaker counties.

Given the increasing number of mismatches the GAA should be trying to help weaker counties where possible. This does hurling no good.

dirtyden

RuMan wrote: »

dirtyden wrote: »

Semple is a GAA venue and it more importantly is a hurling venue. It may give Tipp a small advantage given familiarity but it was the obvious choice for these games given the 4 teams who are playing. I think this thing of a home draw is a moot point. Croke park is the obvious venue when Dublin footballers play because you get the biggest crowd and Semple for this game was the best venue.

It's a home draw for Tipp.
I'd be favour of the footballers playing on the road a lot more , I see no need to give our footballers or Tipp hurlers extra advantages against weaker counties.

Given the increasing number of mismatches the GAA should be trying to help weaker counties where possible. This does hurling no good.

How does it do hurling no good? Bumper crowd in the home of hurling on a Saturday evening or a half empty Croker or Gaelic Grounds? I know which I would prefer. Dublin probably got the short end of the stick (for once) but is it really that big an advantage? A pitch is a pitch, the grass and goal size are pretty similar everywhere.

RuMan

dirtyden wrote: »

How does it do hurling no good? Bumper crowd in the home of hurling on a Saturday evening or a half empty Croker or Gaelic Grounds? I know which I would prefer. Dublin probably got the short end of the stick (for once) but is it really that big an advantage? A pitch is a pitch, the grass and goal size are pretty similar everywhere.

its supposed to be a neutral venue.
If it was Waterford or Kilkenny I'd have no problem. If you're going to give one of the teams home advantage you may as well play it in Parnell Park.

My reading of it is the hurlers are being punished to compensate for the criticism that the footballers always get home advantage.

washman3

Any Dublin GAA officials that agreed to play this game in Thurles without consulting with the hurling management and squad need their collective holes kicked.:mad:
Can you imagine Tipp been TOLD,yes TOLD, that they were going to Nowlan Park next Saturday to play Kilkenny in a 'neutral venue'.
I've posted already that the thing that angers me was Tipp refusing point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath last Saturday in the interest of fairness.
We now have a situation where Tipp, having lost to Cork in Thurles, are now rewarded with 2 home games against Westmeath and Dublin.
Add to that a full-house next Sunday in Thurles for Cork/Clare.
Tipp/Dublin should be in Portlaoise or Tullamore.
Kilkenny/Waterford in Wexford Park.
Forget the 'logistics' spread it around a bit. Why not play a game in Limerick.?

washman3

dirtyden wrote: »

How does it do hurling no good? Bumper crowd in the home of hurling on a Saturday evening or a half empty Croker or Gaelic Grounds? I know which I would prefer. Dublin probably got the short end of the stick (for once) but is it really that big an advantage? A pitch is a pitch, the grass and goal size are pretty similar everywhere.

Dublin also travelled to Thurles to play Tipp, I think it was 3 years ago, it was a double header then with Limerick/Wexford.
Croke Park is not Dublins home pitch (not the hurlers anyway) Parnell is.
Thurles IS Tipps home pitch.

Dyr

washman3 wrote: »

Any Dublin GAA officials that agreed to play this game in Thurles without consulting with the hurling management and squad need their collective holes kicked.:mad:

Shanley is saying they agreed to nothing, it was imposed on them

Bonniedog

washman3 wrote: »

Any Dublin GAA officials that agreed to play this game in Thurles without consulting with the hurling management and squad need their collective holes kicked.:mad:
Can you imagine Tipp been TOLD,yes TOLD, that they were going to Nowlan Park next Saturday to play Kilkenny in a 'neutral venue'.
I've posted already that the thing that angers me was Tipp refusing point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath last Saturday in the interest of fairness.
We now have a situation where Tipp, having lost to Cork in Thurles, are now rewarded with 2 home games against Westmeath and Dublin.
Add to that a full-house next Sunday in Thurles for Cork/Clare.
Tipp/Dublin should be in Portlaoise or Tullamore.
Kilkenny/Waterford in Wexford Park.
Forget the 'logistics' spread it around a bit. Why not play a game in Limerick.?

Don't know what intitial DCB reaction was but Shanley is now kicking up over it. Getting it in neck obviously by people comparing it to footballers playing mostly in CP.

Which is fair enough other than fact that the hurlers are not the footballers and rarely get a home game. Even in league they seem to get bad end of stick every year including for play offs.

Anyway, a win was unlikely mo matter where it was so not going to get too annoyed. This might actually give them a bit of incentive to rise their game.

AGC

dirtyden wrote: »

How does it do hurling no good? Bumper crowd in the home of hurling on a Saturday evening or a half empty Croker or Gaelic Grounds? I know which I would prefer. Dublin probably got the short end of the stick (for once) but is it really that big an advantage? A pitch is a pitch, the grass and goal size are pretty similar everywhere.

The matches were never going to be in Croker this Saturday.

HurlingRanker

It didn't have to be a double header. Could have had Tipp v Dublin in Portlaoise and KK v Waterford in Semple.

blue note

Judging by the fact that there are only a couple of dubs anywhere giving out about this I'm going to say that the county chairman is probably embarrassing his county by giving out about this considering the hypocrisy.

I'd be curious to know if you were to compare the number of championship matches dublin have played in dublin with the number they've played in the opposition's home county how the figures would look.

BonnieSituation

blue note wrote: »

Judging by the fact that there are only a couple of dubs anywhere giving out about this I'm going to say that the county chairman is probably embarrassing his county by giving out about this considering the hypocrisy.

I'd be curious to know if you were to compare the number of championship matches dublin have played in dublin with the number they've played in the opposition's home county how the figures would look.

I don't feel embarrassed at all. He makes a good point.

Also remember it's not Dublin that decide that we play all of our Leinster Championship games in CP. The Leinster Council (and the other counties) consistently vote to keep us there despite our wishes to actually have some games outside of the capital.

People like yourself are just using this as another reason to give the whole "Dublin-bias" row a its annual once over.

Now, where's Mayoaremagic with his two cents on the issue?

Bonniedog

blue note wrote: »

Judging by the fact that there are only a couple of dubs anywhere giving out about this I'm going to say that the county chairman is probably embarrassing his county by giving out about this considering the hypocrisy.

I'd be curious to know if you were to compare the number of championship matches dublin have played in dublin with the number they've played in the opposition's home county how the figures would look.

Majorly in favour of footballers obviously, but hurlers have played most of their games as far back as I can recall outside of Dublin. Indeed they have a better championship record in recent times in places like Tullamore than CP!

Dyr

blue note wrote: »

Judging by the fact that there are only a couple of dubs anywhere giving out about this I'm going to say that the county chairman is probably embarrassing his county by giving out about this considering the hypocrisy.

I'd be curious to know if you were to compare the number of championship matches dublin have played in dublin with the number they've played in the opposition's home county how the figures would look.

You know we're talking about hurling here yeah?

blue note

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I don't feel embarrassed at all. He makes a good point.

Also remember it's not Dublin that decide that we play all of our Leinster Championship games in CP. The Leinster Council (and the other counties) consistently vote to keep us there despite our wishes to actually have some games outside of the capital.

People like yourself are just using this as another reason to give the whole "Dublin-bias" row a its annual once over.

Now, where's Mayoaremagic with his two cents on the issue?

I agree it is unfair, but in the case of the Dublin hurlers, they already get automatic home advantage for Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals. No other team gets that. So on balance, where matches are played is unfair in favour of Dublin hurlers. Where it becomes particularly beneficial to you is when you have a team capable of winning an AI and get to play the final two matches of the year at home. That's an enormous advantage!

You'd be a fool to think that this isn't going to benefit Tipp on Saturday. But you'd be a major hypocrite to complain about it without also saying that you'd like Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals played at neutral venues (so not Thurles if Dublin are in them) too.

blanch152

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I don't feel embarrassed at all. He makes a good point.

Also remember it's not Dublin that decide that we play all of our Leinster Championship games in CP. The Leinster Council (and the other counties) consistently vote to keep us there despite our wishes to actually have some games outside of the capital.

People like yourself are just using this as another reason to give the whole "Dublin-bias" row a its annual once over.

Now, where's Mayoaremagic with his two cents on the issue?

He is writing a post explaining how Dublin's financial and population advantage were responsible for Mayo being behind against Derry up until the last minute of normal time.

blanch152

blue note wrote: »

I agree it is unfair, but in the case of the Dublin hurlers, they already get automatic home advantage for Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals. No other team gets that. So on balance, where matches are played is unfair in favour of Dublin hurlers. Where it becomes particularly beneficial to you is when you have a team capable of winning an AI and get to play the final two matches of the year at home. That's an enormous advantage!

You'd be a fool to think that this isn't going to benefit Tipp on Saturday. But you'd be a major hypocrite to complain about it without also saying that you'd like Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals played at neutral venues (so not Thurles if Dublin are in them) too.

The only games that the Dublin hurlers would ever play in Croke Park are the Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals, if they ever get to them. Their home games are in Parnell Park, so they don't have any home advantage. "Home" advantage comes from playing regularly in the same ground.

Mantis Toboggan

washman3 wrote: »

Any Dublin GAA officials that agreed to play this game in Thurles without consulting with the hurling management and squad need their collective holes kicked.:mad:
Can you imagine Tipp been TOLD,yes TOLD, that they were going to Nowlan Park next Saturday to play Kilkenny in a 'neutral venue'.
I've posted already that the thing that angers me was Tipp refusing point blank to concede home advantage to Westmeath last Saturday in the interest of fairness.
We now have a situation where Tipp, having lost to Cork in Thurles, are now rewarded with 2 home games against Westmeath and Dublin.
Add to that a full-house next Sunday in Thurles for Cork/Clare.
Tipp/Dublin should be in Portlaoise or Tullamore.
Kilkenny/Waterford in Wexford Park.
Forget the 'logistics' spread it around a bit. Why not play a game in Limerick.?

Has Bernard Brogan scored a championship point outside of Dublin yet?

Funnily enough I'd prefer if the game was on in Dublin this weekend.

blue note

Here's a list of Dublin Hurling games in the last 10 years where Dublin or their opponents had home advantage

2008
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2009
Dublin vs Antrim (Dublin)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
2010
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Clare (Dublin)
Antrim vs Dublin (Dublin)
2011
Dublin vs Offaly (Dublin)
Kilkenny vs Dublin (Dublin)
Tipperary vs Dublin (Dublin)
2012
Clare vs Dublin (Clare)
2013
Wexford vs Dublin (Wexford)
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Dublin vs Cork (Dublin)
2014
Dublin vs Wexford (Wexford)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipperary (Tipperary)
2015
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Laois vs Dublin (Laois)
2016
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2017
Dublin vs Laois (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipp (Tipp)

So in a decade Dublin have had 16 home times and 8 away. Exactly twice as likely to get a home tie as an away one.

As I say, it's a big advantage playing at home. But no county benefits from it more than Dublin in hurling, so I think it's very hypocritical for your county board to give out about. Or our county board I should say since I play in Dublin.

corny

blue note wrote: »

Judging by the fact that there are only a couple of dubs anywhere giving out about this I'm going to say that the county chairman is probably embarrassing his county by giving out about this considering the hypocrisy.

People are obviously going to have a certain view on this given the privileged position the Dublin footballers find themselves in but the man has a point.

There's no way Kilkenny would have been playing in Thurles had they drawn Tipp. Dublin are seen as also rans and they've been treated accordingly.

Kavrocks

blue note wrote: »

Here's a list of Dublin Hurling games in the last 10 years where Dublin or their opponents had home advantage

2008
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2009
Dublin vs Antrim (Dublin)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
2010
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Clare (Dublin)
Antrim vs Dublin (Dublin)
2011
Dublin vs Offaly (Dublin)
Kilkenny vs Dublin (Dublin)
Tipperary vs Dublin (Dublin)
2012
Clare vs Dublin (Clare)
2013
Wexford vs Dublin (Wexford)
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Dublin vs Cork (Dublin)
2014
Dublin vs Wexford (Wexford)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipperary (Tipperary)
2015
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Laois vs Dublin (Laois)
2016
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2017
Dublin vs Laois (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipp (Tipp)

So in a decade Dublin have had 16 home times and 8 away. Exactly twice as likely to get a home tie as an away one.

As I say, it's a big advantage playing at home. But no county benefits from it more than Dublin in hurling, so I think it's very hypocritical for your county board to give out about. Or our county board I should say since I play in Dublin.

Your list and conclusions are flawed.

Only two of the above games have been played in Parnell Park. Several have been Leinster finals and All-Ireland Semi finals which are played in Croke Park regardless. I'd also suggest Kilkenny have got a much bigger benefit from Croke Park than Dublin in the last 10 years.

I'd certainly prefer Dublin hurling play most counties in Parnell Park than Croke Park. Out of the 14 games Dublin played in Croke Park in the last 10 years, they only won 5 of them whereas they won both games in Parnell Park.

road_high

What's latest on this? Hopefully dublin hold the line for an obvious neutral venture. Surely out of Portlaoise, Tullamore or even kilkenny they can accommodate the game. At this knockout stage you need to use every advantage and handing tipp one before the game even started is not one any team would be happy with

gormdubhgorm

blanch152 wrote: »

The only games that the Dublin hurlers would ever play in Croke Park are the Leinster finals, AI semi finals and AI finals, if they ever get to them. Their home games are in Parnell Park, so they don't have any home advantage. "Home" advantage comes from playing regularly in the same ground.

Exactly and up until recently the Dublin hurlers had a five year unbeaten record in Parnell Park.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/205308/Superb-Limerickhurlers-end-Dublin-unbeaten-run.html

Even if the Dublin hurlers played in Croke Park you can hardly call it an advantage.

The tighter pitch of Parnell always suited the Dublin hurlers against the bigger teams.

The Dublin hurlers are actually at a disadvantage playing any 'home' games in croke park, thier record proves this.

Mantis Toboggan

blue note wrote: »

Here's a list of Dublin Hurling games in the last 10 years where Dublin or their opponents had home advantage

2008
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2009
Dublin vs Antrim (Dublin)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
2010
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Clare (Dublin)
Antrim vs Dublin (Dublin)
2011
Dublin vs Offaly (Dublin)
Kilkenny vs Dublin (Dublin)
Tipperary vs Dublin (Dublin)
2012
Clare vs Dublin (Clare)
2013
Wexford vs Dublin (Wexford)
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Dublin vs Cork (Dublin)
2014
Dublin vs Wexford (Wexford)
Dublin vs Kilkenny (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipperary (Tipperary)
2015
Dublin vs Galway (Dublin)
Laois vs Dublin (Laois)
2016
Dublin vs Wexford (Dublin)
Cork vs Dublin (Cork)
2017
Dublin vs Laois (Dublin)
Dublin vs Tipp (Tipp)

So in a decade Dublin have had 16 home times and 8 away. Exactly twice as likely to get a home tie as an away one.

As I say, it's a big advantage playing at home. But no county benefits from it more than Dublin in hurling, so I think it's very hypocritical for your county board to give out about. Or our county board I should say since I play in Dublin.

This settles it.

Of all the teams that can complain about getting a raw deal from the GAA the Dubs aren't one.

BonnieSituation

Tyson Fury wrote: »

This settles it.

Of all the teams that can complain about getting a raw deal from the GAA the Dubs aren't one.

But comments above unsettle it.

I kinda want this stink to waft about for the week. Be much better for Dubs re access to have it in PortLousy in fairness. Is that too much of an advantage for us too.

Shame it's in Thurles. But it would be nice if this affront to our "also-ran" hurlers galvanises them somewhat.

Kavrocks

Tyson Fury wrote: »

This settles it.

Of all the teams that can complain about getting a raw deal from the GAA the Dubs aren't one.

No it doesn't. It shows some people are anti-Dublin regardless of code and will twist and omit data to suit their narrative. If it was any other county people would say they've gotten a raw deal.

One can only hope this galvanises the Dublin team and Cunningham can use it to his advantage.

dirtyden

Kavrocks wrote: »

Tyson Fury wrote: »

This settles it.

Of all the teams that can complain about getting a raw deal from the GAA the Dubs aren't one.

No it doesn't. It shows some people are anti-Dublin regardless of code and will twist and omit data to suit their narrative. If it was any other county people would say they've gotten a raw deal.

One can only hope this galvanises the Dublin team and Cunningham can use it to his advantage.

Dublin play at home more than any other team in the country. The uproar is a little bit hard to take in this case. If you cant see that you are being quite blinkered.

BonnieSituation

dirtyden wrote: »

Dublin play at home more than any other team in the country. The uproar is a little bit hard to take in this case. If you cant see that you are being quite blinkered.

Then don't take it. I mean coming into a Dublin forum to decry our "uproar" seems a bit silly to me.

Kavrocks

dirtyden wrote: »

Dublin play at home more than any other team in the country. The uproar is a little bit hard to take in this case. If you cant see that you are being quite blinkered.

Nobody has proven the Dublin hurlers play at home more than any other team in the country. However, that is irrelevant here. The round 2 qualifiers were supposed to be played at neutral venues how is that the case for the Dublin and Tipperary match?