Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

corny

Be gas if Lowndes is brought on next week and the crowd erupts again.:D

gormdubhgorm

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Was not expecting that at all! amazing news! Where does he fit in I wonder? Seeing as Brogan hasn't even been making the bench.

What a problem to have though!

Delighted with that news. But how long will it take Dermo to get up to Championship fitness?
He will be a great impact sub ans he will be will really lift the crowd and the team if there is a backs to wall pressure game.

gormdubhgorm

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

O Gara was on the bench yesterday would of had Brogan on there over him any day.

I hope Brogan gets his chance this season he deserves to go out on a high.

Connelly hasn't played for Dublin in a long while now be incredibly curious to see how he's used and how he performs.

Connolly can kinda go missing in games, but if his head is right he is capable of those moments of magic that few players can do.
So he the type of player that you would put up with that type of lulls in games.
He did only get two points against Rathnew when playing for Vinnies in a Leinster club game. So he is not the world beater he is being built up as since he was out of the Dublin team.

I assume Jim will put him through 'the process' in a few minutes here and there in the remaining super 8 games. Would he get a full 70 in Omagh (if it is a dead rubber?)

Donnielighto

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

O Gara was on the bench yesterday would of had Brogan on there over him any day.

I hope Brogan gets his chance this season he deserves to go out on a high.

Connelly hasn't played for Dublin in a long while now be incredibly curious to see how he's used and how he performs.

I think his talent/ability will remain. He's a physically based player so if he still has that it's a big thing for him. He should have space in the dublin forwards to fart around the half forward line and pick his moments. Think he'll be a a sub option midway through 2nd half to punish tired teams.

corny

Donnielighto wrote: »

I think his talent/ability will remain. He's a physically based player so if he still has that it's a big thing for him. He should have space in the dublin forwards to fart around the half forward line and pick his moments. Think he'll be a a sub option midway through 2nd half to punish tires teams.

What does that mean?

Stoner

corny wrote:

Be gas if Lowndes is brought on next week and the crowd erupts again.

Was glad to see him on the bench too.

Stoner

corny wrote:

What does that mean?

Physically blessed maybe, auto correct

Donnielighto

corny wrote: »

What does that mean?

As opposed to skills. He tends to impose himself physically, don't see rustiness being much of an issue with him.

Donnielighto

Stoner wrote: »

Physically blessed maybe, auto correct

Basically yeah. He's skillful but he won the gene lottery too for football

Fann Linn

Eoghan Morgan and the English Cricket team to win Sportsteam of the year judging by the way RTE are creaming themselves.

Powerhouse

I suggested here last year that Connolly might have worn the Dublin jersey for the last time especially if Dublin completed the four in a row in his absence. Had his visa issue not emerged I might have been proven right, but am delighted to be wrong on that.

It'd be a shame for Dublin to be playing out the final stages of such a potentially monumental championship while such a player watches on. It is yet another sign of a manager (and person) of exceptional substance in Jim Gavin that he doesn't act all hard and decide that Dublin don't need Connolly. Diarmuid will be more content in his old age as a result of this, and Dublin will have no 'what ifs?'. Everyone a winner I think.

Tombo2001

Powerhouse wrote: »

I suggested here last year that Connolly might have worn the Dublin jersey for the last time especially if Dublin completed the four in a row in his absence. Had his visa issue not emerged I might have been proven right, but am delighted to be wrong on that.

It'd be a shame for Dublin to be playing out the final stages of such a potentially monumental championship while such a player watches on. It is yet another sign of a manager (and person) of exceptional substance in Jim Gavin that he doesn't act all hard and decide that Dublin don't need Connolly. Diarmuid will be more content in his old age as a result of this, and Dublin will have no 'what ifs?'. Everyone a winner I think.

Could he not have walked back into the squad anytime in the past 12 months.

gormdubhgorm

Powerhouse wrote: »

It'd be a shame for Dublin to be playing out the final stages of such a potentially monumental championship while such a player watches on. It is yet another sign of a manager (and person) of exceptional substance in Jim Gavin that he doesn't act all hard and decide that Dublin don't need Connolly. Diarmuid will be more content in his old age as a result of this, and Dublin will have no 'what ifs?'. Everyone a winner I think.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Could he not have walked back into the squad anytime in the past 12 months.

haha yeah.
What has happened is that he wanted to cash in America again, but since that option went suddenly - Dublin was in Croke Park steward parlance 'Plan B'.

Dublin are basically a last resort for Connolly, and he probably thought to himself 'I will be hanging around anyway. I might as well go back sure the weather is even nicer than America - the money is not as good though!'

There is no sense of a mystical 'what if' thing from Connolly regarding Dublin - I would say it is more of a 'what if' for him about his American visa!

Tombo2001

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

haha yeah.
What has happened is that he wanted to cash in America again, but since that option went suddenly - Dublin was in Croke Park steward parlance 'Plan B'.

Dublin are basically a last resort for Connolly, and he probably thought to himself 'I will be hanging around anyway. I might as well go back sure the weather is even nicer than America - the money is not as good though!'

There is no sense of a mystical 'what if' thing from Connolly regarding Dublin - I would say it is more of a 'what if' for him about his American visa!

I think to be fair to Gavin - he gave it the importance it deserves, which in my view is not much.

The media will hype it up to the 9s, as Connolly is box office; but in my view the Dublin fanbase would be doing the team a big disservice by making Connolly out as some returning prodigal. Its an outstanding team with or without him.

I do get the sense sometimes with Dublin fans that they haven't progressed in line with the teams progression - booing the Cork free taker was a bit pathetic.

Much more relevant from Saturday was the phenomenal performance by Jack McCaffrey.

Much more interesting is the Dean Rock / Costello tactical decision.

I don't see much chat about it here but the team seems to have changed quite a bit - as things stand - from last year.

Eoin Murchan hasn't had a decent run out. McCarthy didn't start, Cooper and Rock didn't start...…

There is quite a bit of flux in the team.

kilns

Fann Linn wrote: »

Eoghan Morgan and the English Cricket team to win Sportsteam of the year judging by the way RTE are creaming themselves.

Nice tweet from Paul Clarke about Morgan, he used to retrieve the balls for the team when Dublin were training in 95

Tombo2001

kilns wrote: »

Nice tweet from Paul Clarke about Morgan, he used to retrieve the balls for the team when Dublin were training in 95

And brought his cricket team to the Leinster Final (Football) - not quite as exciting a match as the Cricket World Cup final.

STB.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I think to be fair to Gavin - he gave it the importance it deserves, which in my view is not much.

You wouldn't know with Gavin. I thought it was quite deliberately slipped in. He knows what Connolly can do. He is also not tuned out to what the fans think of it all.

There is no doubt that he was treated appallingly by certain eejit pundits who had their own agendas and Connolly is not one who likes that attention.

I'm glad he is back and that he won't have the what if regrets when he gets older, at the very least.

Stoner

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Dublin are basically a last resort for Connolly, and he probably thought to himself 'I will be hanging around anyway. I might as well go back sure the weather is even nicer than America - the money is not as good though!'

How do you know all this ?
The man has played some fantastic games for Dublin, showed up at the right time in big games. Trained for years with his county. Last resort for what ? interviews he doesn't want to give?

gormdubhgorm wrote:

There is no sense of a mystical 'what if' thing from Connolly regarding Dublin - I would say it is more of a 'what if' for him about his American visa!

To be fair, he does not like media attention, he avoids it like no other top GAA player and he should be respected for that imo.

None of us know what motivates him, or which option he'd rather take.

I've been aware of this scenario for a while now, but still no nothing of the motivation behind it. The American thing was a good way to close the story off and stop the endless questions. Remember, the door was always open.

DC doesn't owe the GAA or supporters anything at this stage.

I'm delighted he's back, for him.

He still has to show he's ready in training.

How Soon Is Now

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I think to be fair to Gavin - he gave it the importance it deserves, which in my view is not much.

The media will hype it up to the 9s, as Connolly is box office; but in my view the Dublin fanbase would be doing the team a big disservice by making Connolly out as some returning prodigal. Its an outstanding team with or without him.

I do get the sense sometimes with Dublin fans that they haven't progressed in line with the teams progression - booing the Cork free taker was a bit pathetic.

Much more relevant from Saturday was the phenomenal performance by Jack McCaffrey.

Much more interesting is the Dean Rock / Costello tactical decision.

I don't see much chat about it here but the team seems to have changed quite a bit - as things stand - from last year.

Eoin Murchan hasn't had a decent run out. McCarthy didn't start, Cooper and Rock didn't start...…

There is quite a bit of flux in the team.

Ya I'm actually more interested to see how Gavin deals with the Costello / Rock situation.

Costello was poor last day out missed few frees as well his general game was off for first time this season. Rock has made two sub appearances and been brilliant so I think he deserves a chance against Roscommon. It might do Costello no harm to start on the bench.

My only issue would be I think on his day Costello does bit more work on and off the ball. He has a higher ceiling for what he can do during a game scoring wise.

Last season Rock was going missing in a lot of games you would see him step up to take a free and forget he was even playing. I think the break has done him no harm.

Overall I think both are huge players for Dublin. Rock is a very intelligent level headed player and has been vital to Dublin over last few years in us winning so much.

Costello is deadly on form and he's really matured and pushed on in the team.

How does Gavin fit them both in without someone losing out though?

Dublin have some serious quality off the pitch as well as on and using it at right time is gonna play big part this season.

gormdubhgorm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I think to be fair to Gavin - he gave it the importance it deserves, which in my view is not much.

The media will hype it up to the 9s, as Connolly is box office; but in my view the Dublin fanbase would be doing the team a big disservice by making Connolly out as some returning prodigal. Its an outstanding team with or without him.

I do get the sense sometimes with Dublin fans that they haven't progressed in line with the teams progression - booing the Cork free taker was a bit pathetic.

Much more relevant from Saturday was the phenomenal performance by Jack McCaffrey.

Much more interesting is the Dean Rock / Costello tactical decision.

I don't see much chat about it here but the team seems to have changed quite a bit - as things stand - from last year.

Eoin Murchan hasn't had a decent run out. McCarthy didn't start, Cooper and Rock didn't start...…

There is quite a bit of flux in the team.

In fairness McCathey and Cooper were recovering from injury lay offs.
I think they will be back in sooner rather than later.
Rock did not start because of Costello's form.
But it looks like that Rock will win his place back after the last day.
Murchan is a good point - Philly seems to be pushing to win his place.

I think the Media badly need something to talk about - they do not seem to have a real top class 'Dublin rival' to write about. So the Connolly story is mana from heaven for them.

At least it will not be as bad as the time Ray Cosgrove was given the '007 treatment' by a tabloid back in 2002.
It got really silly.

As for booing the Cork freetaker. There is always an 'element' that travels on the hill that are prone to that type of thing.
And because Dublin have a larger support than most the 'element' is magnified.

Tombo2001

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness McCathey and Cooper were recovering from injury lay offs.
I think they will be back in sooner rather than later.
Rock did not start because of Costello's form.
But it looks like that Rock will win his place back after the last day.
Murchan is a good point - Philly seems to be pushing to win his place.

I think the Media badly need something to talk about - they do not seem to have a real top class 'Dublin rival' to write about. So the Connolly story is mana from heaven for them.

At least it will not be as bad as the time Ray Cosgrove was given the '007 treatment' by a tabloid back in 2002.
It got really silly.

As for booing the Cork freetaker. There is always an 'element' that travels on the hill that are prone to that type of thing.
And because Dublin have a larger support than most the 'element' is magnified.

Maybe so - if Dublin get to the final, then there are just four games left - with each game of increasing importance.

They will both have to start one of the super 8 games in my view.

gormdubhgorm

Stoner wrote: »

How do you know all this ?
The man has played some fantastic games for Dublin, showed up at the right time in big games. Trained for years with his county. Last resort for what ? interviews he doesn't want to give?

DC doesn't owe the GAA or supporters anything at this stage.

I'm delighted he's back, for him.

He still has to show he's ready in training.

Ah I understand all that DC 'does not owe Dublin anything' stuff.
I am just looking at it practically if you were DC and were supposed to be heading to the USA -
then suddenly it was taken away as an option what would you do?

All the misty eyed 'prodigal son' returns stuff is media window dressing.
The fella just decided he might as well return for a a few games of football for Dublin since his other plans fell through at short notice.

He will be a a good addition a good impact sub and will get the crowd going.
He will the 2019 vintage of 'Vinnie Murphy 2001'.

Dirkziggler

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Stoner wrote: »

How do you know all this ?
The man has played some fantastic games for Dublin, showed up at the right time in big games. Trained for years with his county. Last resort for what ? interviews he doesn't want to give?

DC doesn't owe the GAA or supporters anything at this stage.

I'm delighted he's back, for him.

He still has to show he's ready in training.

Ah I understand all that DC 'does not owe Dublin anything' stuff.
I am just looking at it practically if you were DC and were supposed to be heading to the USA -
then suddenly it was taken away as an option what would you do?

All the misty eyed 'prodigal son' returns stuff is media window dressing.
The fella just decided he might as well return for a a few games of football for Dublin since his other plans fell through at short notice.

He will be a a good addition a good impact sub and will get the crowd going.
He will the 2019 vintage of 'Vinnie Murphy 2001'.

You think DC is only capable of being an impact Sub?

Dermot is fit as a fiddle and will get up to championship standard In no time. If the powers that be take a step back and allow him play football he will blow teams away

Powerhouse

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is no sense of a mystical 'what if' thing from Connolly regarding Dublin - I would say it is more of a 'what if' for him about his American visa!

I never said there was. I said that if Dublin went on to unprecedented heights he might in his old age look back and reflect on what might have been.

gormdubhgorm

Dirkziggler wrote: »

You think DC is only capable of being an impact Sub?

Dermot is fit as a fiddle and will get up to championship standard In no time. If the powers that be take a step back and allow him play football he will blow teams away

No I don't see him starting.
Who would you leave out? (assuming DC gets back to full championship fitness)
The Dublin forwards currently pick themselves bar the Costello/Rock rotation.
It would be awful hard to pick a fella to drop at the moment.

Stoner

I think Gavin is doing the right thing with Rock and Costello.

Has Rock ever looked sharper?

The Munch and Philly. I think the Munch was used as a tactical specialist player last year, he'd two good games followed by a poor one.
Philly has been placed on AOS and Gooch so has looked good in those positions before. I like both players, but I could not see the Munch playing every game, some games wont suit him.

Gavin is keeping the team ticking over, Rock and McMahon have to watch their backs and that's where he should have them imo.

Cooper and McCarthy are injured starters.

Not sure about Brogan though. Looked good for the club a couple of times.

Stoner

Tombo2001 wrote:

I do get the sense sometimes with Dublin fans that they haven't progressed in line with the teams progression - booing the Cork free taker was a bit pathetic.

That happens at any important GAA game with a big crowd, young lads gather in groups, it's never going to stop, it's not something that will go away imo. Too many fairweather supporters in the GAA across the board.

I don't do it, but did when I was younger. I remember at the 91 replays against Meath both sets of supporters at it, it was almost your duty, that's how it feels on the hill.

In the stand with your wife and kids, not so much.

It's always a good way to drop in pathetic and disappointing into a conversation. When it loses its universal stamp across all support bases and is identified as only coming from one set, we are in pathetic territory alright.

TBH it's part of being a good free taker.
The fist up to the Dublin supporters after the penno was scored was an up yours type gesture, and fair play to him.

IMO the GAA is different to other sports here, players don't get penalised for gesturing to opposition fans, it's a reward for all the abuse they get.

All those older Kerry and Meath lads have written about the joy of scoring into the hill when it's hopping.

gormdubhgorm

Stoner wrote: »

I think Gavin is doing the right thing with Rock and Costello.

Has Rock ever looked sharper?

That is a great point keeping both of them focused.
Clever move by Jim considering how important the free taker is
But I think the two lads deserve credit as well for pushing each other.
There is no sulking by the fella who is dropped he comes on and tries his damndest.

It is great to have two freetakers like that to chose from.
Then there is Mannion as well as the third option.

It seems light years from the days when it was hoped that Wayne McCarthy would be as good as Redmond - mainly because he collected the balls for Charlie in training.

I wonder will we ever see Cluxton take a free again?
Or are them days gone for good now?

STB.

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corny

Why are Irish people so precious about booing? Whats the big deal?