Garda Traffic on Twitter 2

colm_mcm

If you don’t have the capacity to remember your driving licence then maybe driving is out of scope too.

I’ve heard people on learner permits deliberately don’t carry it and opt to bring it to the station. That way the car doesn’t get taken. Not sure if there’s any truth in that theory though.

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255231904305086470

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Sam Russell

CoBo55 wrote: »

Well, they don't and I can understand that, they're human beings not machines and I'm sure after standing at yet another checkpoint watching car after car you'd just get fcuked up looking at them. You'd be glad when tea break time comes around...

I got stopped in the USA and asked for my licence. 'Well, Sam, .... ' he said looking at my Irish licence, 'where are you from?' ....... 'you were travelling over the speed limit....' but he let me off with a caution.

It is just the opening question that should be asked - 'Can I see your licence?', and if it is as every time a car is stopped, then that is normal and the way it will be always.

No licence, car impounded and trip to the station. Well, they could check their magic mobility app as well, but I think that generally they know whether you have one or not.

ELM327

Sam Russell wrote: »

They should always ask to see the driving licence. The driver is obliged to carry and it should be standard to have it inspected.

In practice - although the law requires you to carry it - you are given 10 days to produce.

Sam Russell

ELM327 wrote: »

In practice - although the law requires you to carry it - you are given 10 days to produce.

No, you are required to carry it (AFAIK). Failure to carry = offence.

Failure to produce at nominated GS = offence 2.

Maybe I am wrong, but the law always allowed 10 days to produce, but was amended to require it to be carried when driving.

[Edit: A bit like failure to display tax disc = offence. Failure to tax car = offence 2.

Normally, they do you for only one offence, but they can do you for both.]

ELM327

Sam Russell wrote: »

No, you are required to carry it (AFAIK). Failure to carry = offence.

Failure to produce at nominated GS = offence 2.

Maybe I am wrong, but the law always allowed 10 days to produce, but was amended to require it to be carried when driving.

Yes, as per the letter of the law (and as I stated) you are committing an offence by not carrying it.
However, in practice, the member is permitted and directed to use discretion and allow 10 days to produce. This is a separate offence, you are correct.


It's similar to the offence of non display of insurance disc vs driving without insurance, or non display of tax disc vs driving a non taxed motorised vehicle.

antodeco

I'd say I've forgotten my licence about 5 - 10% of the time I've driven. I keep it in my wallet and there's been a time when I've left without my wallet!

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255497741075087360

GM228

Sam Russell wrote: »

No, you are required to carry it (AFAIK). Failure to carry = offence.

Failure to produce at nominated GS = offence 2.

Maybe I am wrong, but the law always allowed 10 days to produce, but was amended to require it to be carried when driving.

[Edit: A bit like failure to display tax disc = offence. Failure to tax car = offence 2.

Normally, they do you for only one offence, but they can do you for both.]

You were always required to carry it.

They can't do you for both (in relation to tax), it's one or the other.

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255544082069434373

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255524038799228935

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255553534461968384

Mr Snow

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Damien360

Mr Snow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255524038799228935

This irritates me. Right beside the golf course on the curragh near Kildare town is a large encampment of travellers that came from north London. Not a single garda gives a hoot about those as they travel all around the kildare area looking for work. Rules don’t apply to some.

Eric Cartman

Damien360 wrote: »

This irritates me. Right beside the golf course on the curragh near Kildare town is a large encampment of travellers that came from north London. Not a single garda gives a hoot about those as they travel all around the kildare area looking for work. Rules don’t apply to some.

sadly an entire thread on this was already closed in another forum. In a time where we're having record arrests for drug consumption while driving, drink driving, unessential journeys, no licences etc... and not a single bit of enforcement on our nomadic criminals.

There is definitely selective policing in place or that entire encampment would never have made it to that site, let alone continue to remain there.

punisher5112

Eric Cartman wrote: »

sadly an entire thread on this was already closed in another forum. In a time where we're having record arrests for drug consumption while driving, drink driving, unessential journeys, no licences etc... and not a single bit of enforcement on our nomadic criminals.

There is definitely selective policing in place or that entire encampment would never have made it to that site, let alone continue to remain there.

The biggest laugh is it's controlled land of the Irish army....

Damien360

punisher5112 wrote: »

The biggest laugh is it's controlled land of the Irish army....

They are never over that far. From the army camp, they would patrol up to Newbridge, towards athgarvan, and a towards Kildare town. But the motorway intersects the land between Newbridge and Kildare. The army don't tend to look after anything on the golf course side of the town in the direction of Milltown and nowhere near Rathangan.

Every single year, the gang turn up and lately tend to stay on the Kildare town side. It's the annual burning of the bushes that has to occur after they leave. But, if you go out with a golf club, and this happened to myself and my wife, you will be told to move on.

Now we have gardai telling people to turn around on approaches to the curragh at the racecourse on Newbridge side, entrance to Kildare beside the chilling and the far side of Kildare coming from monasterevin. My in law was asked why she couldn't shop in Newbridge on her way to Aldi Kildare.

These are not poor travellers. These are on their holidays. Yes it's tradition for newly married to travel before settling down. These guys have mature families. But these are not in a halting site struggling like the ones in the Newbridge tankards garden site. The ones on the curragh now are far from stuck for cash. It's an annual joke and Covid restrictions has only just highlighted this.

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255611052840157186

punisher5112

joujoujou wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255611052840157186

Is it for restrictions or is it because disqual

wonski

punisher5112 wrote: »

Is it for restrictions or is it because disqual

Of course because of disqualification.

They don't just arrest people for non essential journeys anyway...

Henry Ford III

pablo128 wrote: »

There could well be more than one or two drivers. It could be the family car with the children learning in it. Just give it a wide berth and consider it may be a new driver in it.

You have no idea who's in any car, btw, L plate or not.

Why bother with L or N plates at all then?

highdef

Or why not L and N plates on every car, just in case at some point in the future someone might get lessons in any given car or a novice might drive it?

pablo128

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Why bother with L or N plates at all then?

highdef wrote: »

Or why not L and N plates on every car, just in case at some point in the future someone might get lessons in any given car or a novice might drive it?

The amount of people being stopped drunk and on drugs, no insurance, bald tyres, disqualified, and a heap of recent posts raging about poxy L plates. Of all the things to be cribbing about.

Lundstram

Eric Cartman wrote: »

sadly an entire thread on this was already closed in another forum. In a time where we're having record arrests for drug consumption while driving, drink driving, unessential journeys, no licences etc... and not a single bit of enforcement on our nomadic criminals.

There is definitely selective policing in place or that entire encampment would never have made it to that site, let alone continue to remain there.

Because they're cowards. Like I said before regarding taking the L driver's car, an easy target. Then they boast about it on Twitter like they're some kind of heroes.

One rule for them, another for us.

Dravokivich

Lundstram wrote: »

Because they're cowards. Like I said before regarding taking the L driver's car, an easy target. Then they boast about it on Twitter like they're some kind of heroes.

One rule for them, another for us.

It's their own fault. Don't go making them out to be victims.

tossy

Someone shouldn't get away breaking the law just because there is someone else breaking another law that you perceive to be more serious. The Gardai have been out to that group already, both on the ground and in the air. They also already been moved on once unfortunately they didn't move far. Also it's not in the remit of the roads police.

Emmersonn

Lundstram wrote: »

Because they're cowards. Like I said before regarding taking the L driver's car, an easy target. Then they boast about it on Twitter like they're some kind of heroes.

One rule for them, another for us.

Spoken like a true keyboard warrior. :P

Killinator

Lundstram wrote: »

Because they're cowards. Like I said before regarding taking the L driver's car, an easy target. Then they boast about it on Twitter like they're some kind of heroes.

One rule for them, another for us.

Ha, spoken like someone who has all the solutions.
Templemore will be glad to have ya when they reopen, you'll sort them out

Oops!

Killinator wrote: »

Ha, spoken like someone who has all the solutions.
Templemore will be glad to have ya when they reopen, you'll sort them out

You or your superiors don't seem to have the answers/interest either unfortunately...

Killinator

Oops! wrote: »

You or your superiors don't seem to have the answers/interest either unfortunately...

Yep seems that way.
Mind you there is a significant percentage of the prison population made up of that lot, it's always a wonder to me how they ended up there given apparently the Gardai are afraid to take them on.

I guess it's a mystery.
But sure easy targets and such...

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255897960577224706

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255912936406691840

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selectamatic

It seems it is now advisable to look up before kicking the clutch...

Atlantic Dawn

Wonder what was the item purchased online was? Why did they mention the 2km limit when that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything except exercise, do they like making complete fools of themselves online, idiots.

Gardaí conducting a Covid-19 checkpoint today, advised a driver to return home immediately when found to be driving way over 2km to collect an item purchased online. We would like to remind the public not to take any non-essential journeys and #StayatHome

Irish Steve

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Wonder what was the item purchased online was? Why did they mention the 2km limit when that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything except exercise, do they like making complete fools of themselves online, idiots.

Have to wonder who's

making complete fools of themselves online

Maybe this might explain more clearly why the Gardai are stopping vehicles.



There are clearly a lot of people who really don't get it, even after a month of restrictions, and it's contributing to the delay in getting the numbers down so that the restrictions CAN be reduced for everyone.

Travel restrictions will be implemented as follows:

• there will be a nationwide restriction on travel outside of 2 kilometres from your home, except for the restrictions listed above

Taken from the Government Covid 19 web site, not from the section about exercise, but from the section about travel. It couldn't be much clearer, but some people seem to be unable or unwilling to recognise these very clear limits.

BrianD3

The point is that the Gardai don't know the law. The 2km restriction only relates to exercise. If you are not exercising then you can travel as far as you want if your journey is essential or if you have a reasonable excuse for it. OTOH if you are not exercising and your journey is not essential and you don't have a reasonable excuse, then you can't travel any distance.

Looks like the information on gov.ie is wrong, talking about the 2km restriction but not being clear that it ONLY relates to exercise. Jesus wept.

Also, I note that the general "reasonable excuse" part is conveniently left out in the infomation and guidance that is published on gov.ie. Who decides what a reasonable excuse is? The Gardai who don't even know the law?

E.g. a poster on the Coronavirus forum is staying with relatives and wanted to travel to check on his property that is located 150 km away that he hasn't visited in weeks as he is understandably concerned about it being robbed. He rang Garda HQ and was fobbed off and told that it would depend on any individual Garda who would stop him. Completely unsatisfactory answer but not surprising.

Exact quote from Irishstautebook

Restriction of movement of applicable persons

4. (1) An applicable person shall not leave his or her place of residence
without reasonable excuse.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes a reasonable
excuse for the purposes of paragraph (1), such reasonable excuse includes an
applicable person leaving his or her place of residence (in this paragraph referred
to as the “relevant residence”) to -
(a) provide, or assist in the provision of, an essential service, whether
for remuneration or not,
(b) go to an essential retail outlet for the purpose of obtaining items
(including food, beverages, fuel, medicinal products, medical
devices or appliances, other medical or health supplies or
products, essential items for the health and welfare of animals, or
supplies for the essential upkeep and functioning of the relevant
residence), or accessing services provided in the outlet, for the
4 [121]
applicable person or any other person residing in the relevant
residence,
(c) go to an essential retail outlet for the purpose of obtaining items
(including food, beverages, fuel, medicinal products, medical
devices or appliances, other medical or health supplies or
products, essential items for the health and welfare of animals, or
supplies for the essential upkeep and functioning of the place of
residence of a vulnerable person), or accessing services provided
in the outlet, for a vulnerable person,
(d) obtain money for -
(i) the applicable person,
(ii) any other person residing in the relevant residence, or
(iii) a vulnerable person,
(e) attend a medical appointment or accompany, to a medical
appointment, any other person residing in the relevant residence
or a vulnerable person,
(f) seek essential medical, health or emergency dental assistance for -
(i) the applicable person,
(ii) any other person residing in the relevant residence, or
(iii) a vulnerable person,
(g) donate blood or accompany any other person residing in the
relevant residence to donate blood,
(h) seek veterinary assistance,
(i) exercise, either alone or with other persons residing in the
relevant residence, within a 2 kilometre radius of that residence,
(j) attend to vital family matters (including to provide care to
vulnerable persons),
(k) attend the funeral of -
(i) another person who resided in the relevant residence before
his or her death, or
(ii) a close family member of the applicable person,
(l) fulfil a legal obligation (including attending court, satisfying bail
conditions, or participating in ongoing legal proceedings), attend
a court office where required, initiate emergency legal
proceedings or execute essential legal documents,
(m) access an essential service, or assist any other person residing in
the relevant residence or a vulnerable person to access an essential
service, where the access is immediately required and the
applicable person, other person residing in the relevant residence
or vulnerable person, as the case may be, cannot access the
service concerned from the person’s place of residence,
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(n) if the applicable person is a parent or guardian of a child, or a
person having a right of access to a child, give effect to
arrangements for access to the child by -
(i) the applicable person, or
(ii) another person who is -
(I) a parent or guardian of the child, or
(II) a person having a right of access to the child,
(o) in the case of a minister of religion or priest (or any equivalent
thereof in any religion) -
(i) lead worship or services remotely through the use of
information and communications technology,
(ii) minister to the sick, or
(iii) conduct funeral services,
(p) move to another residence where, in all the circumstances of the
case, such movement is reasonably necessary, or
(q) provide emergency assistance, avoid injury or illness, or escape a
risk of harm, whether to the applicable person or another person.

pablo128

Regarding checking on property, I'm sure my folks would love to head down to Wexford to 'check on their property'. I don't think a Garda would swallow that as an excuse though.

dastardly00

Lundstram wrote: »

Because they're cowards. Like I said before regarding taking the L driver's car, an easy target. Then they boast about it on Twitter like they're some kind of heroes.

One rule for them, another for us.

Was this Learner driver another easy target so?


https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1256091939964948480

markc1184

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drunkmonkey

pablo128 wrote: »

Regarding checking on property, I'm sure my folks would love to head down to Wexford to 'check on their property'. I don't think a Garda would swallow that as an excuse though.

My insurance says I've to turn off the water etc if it's empty for 30 days, I've the water on and haven't been there in over 30 days as I never foresaw this 2km crap.
Who's going to compensate me if the place is destroyed when I get back. I'm already assuming the new TV in the box is already stolen along with a good few of my tools.

shaveAbullock

Why do people including the Garda keep talking about the 2km limit when it is only for exercise.
You can't even go past the 2km radius for non essential journeys and there is no limit for essential ones.

drunkmonkey

It's a criminal rule at this stage being forced to stay somewhere you know is about to be seriously infected when you have an opportunity to protect your family by getting out of there.

shaveAbullock

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's a criminal rule at this stage being forced to stay somewhere you know is about to be seriously infected when you have an opportunity to protect your family by getting out of there.

I'm not sure how that could be done on a large scale without spreading the virus to new areas.

Gemma O'Doherty and John Waters will have their say on it next week in the high court so be sure to give them your support.

drunkmonkey

I don't think there up to much, the common good will trump them. Not convinced separating families and forcing people to stay where there is an outbreak if there not infected is in the common good though. That's downright dumb, check their temperature and let them get out of dodge.
I can feel it creeping closer, was 10 miles away yesterday, 5 miles today...getting close to renting a Transit, dying my hair red and blasting through checkpoints to safety.

shaveAbullock

Imagine if it was as easy as checking temperature and a very long incubation was not common. We'd probably have it beaten now, I guess one can dream.

drunkmonkey

We done the right thing along with my relatives and now because of one stupid employer they've caused a huge risk locally. We're ok, we know it as we followed the asks. I didn't feel like a prisoner until today, afraid to go the shops and can't legally escape to our safe house. You must stay within 2/5km and get the virus.
Time for the guards to be given some real powers to stop confirmed and awaiting results cases to force them stay at home.
The HSE need to be feeding the details of these people to the guards and making sure they stfah they also need to be saying where these clusters are rather than doing it on a county basis.

Marcusm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

My insurance says I've to turn off the water etc if it's empty for 30 days, I've the water on and haven't been there in over 30 days as I never foresaw this 2km crap.
Who's going to compensate me if the place is destroyed when I get back. I'm already assuming the new TV in the box is already stolen along with a good few of my tools.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's a criminal rule at this stage being forced to stay somewhere you know is about to be seriously infected when you have an opportunity to protect your family by getting out of there.

You are not forced to stay there if you can establish that the move is "reasonably necessary"; they key point being tht you can move there, i.e.not simply head for a visit or check up.

(p) move to another residence where, in all the circumstances of the
case, such movement is reasonably necessary

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1256234470144958464

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1256456856781930497

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soups05

pablo128 wrote: »

No one. I put abc123 every time without fail.

oh ffs. the trouble i go to filling that stuff in and for no reason.


thanks for the tip mate.

bazz26

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1256572244660301825

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1256615703865708548