Garda Traffic on Twitter 2

Ohio9

tossy wrote: »

It might drop a little but it will never stop, there will always be a certain kind of person who believes that it's beneath them to pay their way. There are incidents in these pages of people getthing caught with tax out over a year on cars that cost a couple of hundred euro a year to tax or vans that cost only comercial rates. I bet a good portion of these will own the latest phone or have a 55 inch tv at home... it's not always down to financial constraints just selfishness and a general thick cnut attitude.

Yes because if insurance was €100 per year then these "thick" ***** still wouldn't pay anyway because it is better to go to court and pay massive fines and lose your license for years instead of paying €100. Absolute nonsense. There is a checkpoint on top of checkpoint now and the main reason for not having insurance are stupid costs. Even for a tiny 1l car you can pay thousands when you're starting out. It's one of the most rip off systems in the world while we all know that insuring the vehicle itself so anyone can drive it, is a much better and less complicated way but then there wouldn't be millions coming in. Where will the insurance companies invest their profits then?

tossy

Ohio9 wrote: »

Yes because if insurance was €100 per year then these "thick" ***** still wouldn't pay anyway because it is better to go to court and pay massive fines and lose your license for years instead of paying €100. Absolute nonsense. There is a checkpoint on top of checkpoint now and the main reason for not having insurance are stupid costs. Even for a tiny 1l car you can pay thousands when you're starting out. It's one of the most rip off systems in the world while we all know that insuring the vehicle itself so anyone can drive it, is a much better and less complicated way but then there wouldn't be millions coming in. Where will the insurance companies invest their profits then?

I'm not sure if you're rubbishing my post or agreeing with it.

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260102530291437568

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260138544607170560

It wasnt me123

10 years of no tax! They should be made to back pay the whole ten years — FFS, there is no excuse for that. Discs for another vehicle, driver not licensed. We need to wake up and throw these ignorant cnuts in jail.

shaveAbullock

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

10 years of no tax! They should be made to back pay the whole ten years — FFS, there is no excuse for that. Discs for another vehicle, driver not licensed. We need to wake up and throw these ignorant cnuts in jail.

That would require giving viloent crimes lower sentences or building new prisons.
I don't think it would be a popular proposal to most voters.

CrabRevolution

Guys don't ye know that it's the pandemic of 2020 that meant he couldn't tax his van in 2011, or 2012, or 2013, or....

Plus he was probably using it to ferry food and medicine to his bedbound granny and volunteering at the animal shelter at weekends.

BronsonTB

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

10 years of no tax! They should be made to back pay the whole ten years — FFS, there is no excuse for that. Discs for another vehicle, driver not licensed. We need to wake up and throw these ignorant cnuts in jail.

They will Just claim they don't have the money....they know we don't have the space in our prisons so any fine will never be paid & any prison sentence will be minimal. The political will power & money is not there to enforce these crimes.

Eric Cartman

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Just looking at some of the drug test results that they post.
They rarely seem to report on people found driving while having benzodiazepines in their system.
I believe it is legal once you have a prescription and are not noticeably intoxicated.
But so many people take them without a doctors prescription you would think it would be a bigger problem and would show up frequently.

most of the people using benzo's are using them in combination with heroin or methadone , usually both will test positive together, its really a drug combo that hits the inner cities and the poorest in society so many would not have legitimate access to a car.

Henry Ford III

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I think we are approaching uninsured drivers in the classic Irish way i.e not fixing the problem as the source but bodge a solution. If the government tackled the ridiculous cost of insurance in this country the number of uninsured drivers would drop.

How do you judge that the cost of insurance is ridiculous? Mine isn't anyhow.

Eric Cartman

Ohio9 wrote: »

Yes because if insurance was €100 per year then these "thick" ***** still wouldn't pay anyway because it is better to go to court and pay massive fines and lose your license for years instead of paying €100. Absolute nonsense. There is a checkpoint on top of checkpoint now and the main reason for not having insurance are stupid costs. Even for a tiny 1l car you can pay thousands when you're starting out. It's one of the most rip off systems in the world while we all know that insuring the vehicle itself so anyone can drive it, is a much better and less complicated way but then there wouldn't be millions coming in. Where will the insurance companies invest their profits then?

If we fixed our compensation culture and stopped paying out for unproved whiplash and back injuries we would have much lower insurance cost.

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260439540298375170

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260448279717974016

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260473713713184769

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260494031584399361

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260518349978718210

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260530959008575488

thomas anderson.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

How do you judge that the cost of insurance is ridiculous? Mine isn't anyhow.

Whats the actual cost of your policy?

Without a NCB?

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260554562898968579

BronsonTB

Henry Ford III wrote: »

How do you judge that the cost of insurance is ridiculous? Mine isn't anyhow.

There is always an exception & extremes so we are not talking about your specific insurance, but more IN GENERAL for the majority of people the overall cost of insurance is high here.

Back on thread topic...

Henry Ford III

Breakerz wrote: »

The cost of insurance is ridiculous. It shouldn't really come as a surprise as large companies are now going directly to underwriters for self-administered schemes rather that take out cost prohibitive policies in RoI. There is no justification for the gouging that goes on in the insurance market in Ireland and unfortunately we have probably the worst insurance industry in Europe, if not the world.

Can you provide any specific evidence to support those claims?

Henry Ford III

thomas anderson. wrote: »

Whats the actual cost of your policy?

Without a NCB?

I paid about €360 net this year for comp. Car value of €25k. Model risk.

Doesn't seem excessive.

colm_mcm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I paid about €360 net this year for comp. Car value of €25k. Model risk.

Doesn't seem excessive.

It’s unusually cheap.

thebiglad

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I paid about €360 net this year for comp. Car value of €25k. Model risk.

Doesn't seem excessive.

I paid about the same for both my wife's and my own car - one with Aviva and the other Axa through Supervalu.

I find there are deals out there every year if willing to put in the time on the internet, usually have to change insurer but, so be it.

BronsonTB

There is a separate thread for your Insurance prices/quotes discussion....use it
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058074990

Back on Garda Traffic twitter related thread topics here....:D

Henry Ford III

BronsonTB wrote: »

There is a separate thread for your Insurance prices/quotes discussion....use it
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058074990

Back on Garda Traffic twitter related thread topics here....:D

One of the major reasons for and spin off discussions emanating from the entire Garda Traffic tweets thread relates to motor insurance.

Whilst you are correct that there is a separate area for discussing that topic specifically there is inevitably going to be a degree of overlap.

flazio

I know it's already posted above in the midst of three other tweets but I'm pulling it out for a separate discussion
https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260494031584399361

Surely if he or she hasn't copped on after the first FCPN on the same day, that warrants a visit to the judge to convince his or her honour as to why they should be allowed to retain their licence.

punisher5112

flazio wrote: »

I know it's already posted above in the midst of three other tweets but I'm pulling it out for a separate discussion
https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260494031584399361

Surely if he or she hasn't copped on after the first FCPN on the same day, that warrants a visit to the judge to convince his or her honour as to why they should be allowed to retain their licence.

Probably thought lighting can't strike twice.....

May not be exactly the same place but it well can strike twice.....

alias no.9

punisher5112 wrote: »

Probably thought lighting can't strike twice.....

May not be exactly the same place but it well can strike twice.....

In the early days of penalty points one genius picked up 12 points in a single month, all from the same fixed speed camera

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/banned-by-points-delay-1.1152954

joujoujou

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260587066435477507

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260674564000043010

JustARandomGuy

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

Markcheese

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

Well ,it's not always dangerous ,but it is above the speed limit ...

Top Dog

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

Nobody claimed it was?

Ohio9

Markcheese wrote: »

Well ,it's not always dangerous ,but it is above the speed limit ...

It used to be ok to keep slaves and since it wasn't illegal, it's all good. I love Germany. Amazing country with amazing people and no potato levels of logic used.

Allinall

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

It depends on who's driving.

You can't have individual speed limits for every person, so one has to be set for the whole population of drivers- old, young, experienced, novice, professional etc., etc.

Sam Russell

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

But coming up at that speed on an accident that blocks the road is.

liamog

Sam Russell wrote: »

But coming up at that speed on an accident that blocks the road is.

Fortunately our mainline moterway's have a design speed of around 160km/h. Unless the accident is all invisible cars and your car has brakes made out of butter there should be plenty of stopping distance.

Cordell

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

It is when everyone else is doing 120 or below.

liamog

Cordell wrote: »

It is when everyone else is doing 120 or below.

The autobahn manages to work ok with unrestricted traffic next to speed restricted trucks, but then German drivers have much better lane discipline. Proving once again, that it's not just the speed that's the issue, it's the ineptitude of large portion of Irish drivers.

martingriff

liamog wrote: »

Fortunately our mainline moterway's have a design speed of around 160km/h. Unless the accident is all invisible cars and your car has brakes made out of butter there should be plenty of stopping distance.

You are speaking of a perfect world and that all people have the driving ability. You are not the only person on the road and the point of the speed limit is that for everyone to be aware and careful of everyone on the road. 150 is not dangerous in ideal conditions but with fog ice rain etc it sure as hell could be

martingriff

liamog wrote: »

The autobahn manages to work ok with unrestricted traffic next to speed restricted trucks, but then German drivers have much better lane discipline. Proving once again, that it's not just the speed that's the issue, it's the ineptitude of large portion of Irish drivers.

But we are not in Germany, we do not have there autobahn and as you note there driving prowess. I find it fascinating that people will fawn over rules of other countries that they love and we should be more like that but as soon as it is something they dislike it is we should not follow that country

liamog

It's either dangerous due to physics and the handling of cars or is an arbitary limit that is based on fuel efficeny rules from the 1970s.
We have a design speed of 160km/h, therefore travelling at 150kmh is suitable for the road.
We can see it works in Germany, where they have a similar profile of cars, sothe current limit has absolutely no basis in vehicle handling and the point about mixing speeds can know also be discounted.

That leaves us with the remaining argument that 150km/h is unsafe due to the ineptitude of Irish drivers. Personally I'm a fan of the French system. 130km/h and a drop to 110km/h during poor weather conditions.

Cordell

liamog wrote: »

The autobahn manages to work ok with unrestricted traffic next to speed restricted trucks, but then German drivers have much better lane discipline. Proving once again, that it's not just the speed that's the issue, it's the ineptitude of large portion of Irish drivers.

In 2018, the autobahn rate of 1.7 fatality per billion traveled kilometer is less secure than both the French one at 1.4 per billion traveled kilometers, and the British one at 1.4 fatalities per vehicle-miles traveled[27]. This means the risk of fatalities per traveled vehicle kilometer is 20% higher in Germany than in France, and near 92% higher than in the UK

They keep clinging to that for mostly political reasons, but there is no safety argument to be made for it.

Ryath

liamog wrote: »

That leaves us with the remaining argument that 150km/h is unsafe due to the ineptitude of Irish drivers. Personally I'm a fan of the French system. 130km/h and a drop to 110km/h during poor weather conditions.

Ye it works fairly well over there. The overtaking lane is kept clear mostly so it's easier overtake slower traffic. It helps that a lot of their motorways have 3 lanes and they know how to use them. Most of them don't even drive at the 130 limit. Driving at 130 gps speed will have you as one of the faster cars, you'll be overtaking most traffic. (Bar Renault Clios with A plates displayed they're faster than most supercars!) 130 gps speed here will see you overtaken a lot more. They do drop their speed in the wet but not quite to the 110 most are doing a bit above. I've only driven there in the summer so haven't driven much in rain so maybe they are better in heavy rain.

CrabRevolution

I know the same "They've no speed limits on the autobahn, so neither should we" argument has probably been had word for word dozens of times on this forum, but if the German system is so unarguably great, why is it the only example people are able to cite?

The points on my license can tell you I'm no angel regarding speed, but I don't get this obsession by people wanting the law changed so they can travel at 160 down a motorway.

I'd understand the argument more if Ireland was the only outlier among numerous countries worldwide, but from the looks of it 120/130 is a very standard motorway limit across the entirety of Europe:

https://www.theaa.ie/aa/motoring-advice/driving-in-europe/speed-limits.aspx

Sam Russell

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I know the same "They've no speed limits on the autobahn, so neither should we" argument has probably been had word for word dozens of times on this forum, but if the German system is so unarguably great, why is it the only example people are able to cite?

The points on my license can tell you I'm no angel regarding speed, but I don't get this obsession by people wanting the law changed so they can travel at 160 down a motorway.

I'd understand the argument more if Ireland was the only outlier among numerous countries worldwide, but from the looks of it 120/130 is a very standard motorway limit across the entirety of Europe:

https://www.theaa.ie/aa/motoring-advice/driving-in-europe/speed-limits.aspx

Plus unlimited speed is not that common on German Autobahns. It does not apply to all autobahns, nor to all parts of autobahns where it does apply.

Travelling at 150 km/h will save 12 mins per hour travelled compared with 120 km/h. Now, I doubt that one could actually do a steady 150 km/h for 60 mins uninterrupted by lorries, and other motorist overtaking those lorries during normal hours. I doubt even if 120 km/h could be sustained as an average.

I doubt if even 15 mins could be achieved on busy parts of the network.

Allinall

Sam Russell wrote: »

Plus unlimited speed is not that common on German Autobahns. It does not apply to all autobahns, nor to all parts of autobahns where it does apply.

Travelling at 150 km/h will save 12 mins per hour travelled compared with 120 km/h. Now, I doubt that one could actually do a steady 150 km/h for 60 mins uninterrupted by lorries, and other motorist overtaking those lorries during normal hours. I doubt even if 120 km/h could be sustained as an average.

I doubt if even 15 mins could be achieved on busy parts of the network.

I would hazard a guess that not one of the advocates for increased speed limits are doing so to save time on a journey.

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260893140678041600

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260863112560947200

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260854447615377408

liamog

Allinall wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that not one of the advocates for increased speed limits are doing so to save time on a journey.

For me, I'd like more of a focus on roads enforcement of driving instead of speed. The risk of some one travelling at 25% over the speed limit on the M1 is far lower than the constant red light jumping that we see in our cities. Similarly there are appears to absolutely no enforcement of lane discipline by the traffic corps. When was the last time we saw the Garda Twitter account pull someone over for travelling in the middle lane of the M50.

JCX BXC

liamog wrote: »

For me, I'd like more of a focus on roads enforcement of driving instead of speed. The risk of some one travelling at 25% over the speed limit on the M1 is far lower than the constant red light jumping that we see in our cities. Similarly there are appears to absolutely no enforcement of lane discipline by the traffic corps. When was the last time we saw the Garda Twitter account pull someone over for travelling in the middle lane of the M50.

Risk in terms of what?

The risk of someone being killed, or the risk of an accident? Accidents due to red light jumping mostly occur at low speeds.

Dravokivich

liamog wrote: »

For me, I'd like more of a focus on roads enforcement of driving instead of speed. The risk of some one travelling at 25% over the speed limit on the M1 is far lower than the constant red light jumping that we see in our cities. Similarly there are appears to absolutely no enforcement of lane discipline by the traffic corps. When was the last time we saw the Garda Twitter account pull someone over for travelling in the middle lane of the M50.

Stop doing something that'll affect me. Go do something that won't affect me.

liamog

Dravokivich wrote: »

Stop doing something that'll affect me. Go do something that won't affect me.

I've not been affected by the enforcement of speeds on motorways, I generally drive with cruise control on at the speed limit. However, my car was was hit by a motorbike who ran a red light in a 50km/h zone, and have had a couple of close calls as a pedestrian by people barrelling though after the man has gone green.

So really, what I'm asking for is enforcement of things that do affect me, a VW Passat (why is it always a Passat driver) overtaking me on the motorway whilst he does 150km/h is no concern. The fatality stats back this up. Roads with a >=120km/h speed limit accounted for just 3% of road deaths last year, the same as roads with <= 30km/h limit.

Mr Snow

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1260942057859887104

flazio

JustARandomGuy wrote: »

Here's some food for thought:

150 km/h is not dangerous on a motorway.

It is if there is ice, fog, heavy rain, heavy traffic, vehicles incapable of reaching the limit speeds (usually work vehicles such as heavy laden trucks) or absolutely anything that you would not expect to see on an ordinary day.