Leeds United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2020/2021

is_that_so

Days like these... Next game is home to Burnley - at least a point there!

is_that_so

Kingp35 wrote: »

Agreed, he's definitely not the problem. Very good keeper and will only get better.

Patched up and non-functioning defence and set pieces issues main headache. Need to see if there are any CBs who can play.

whiterebel

And Cooper injured......FFS. The stuff of nightmares. Bielsa has done something very rare today....he made OGS look like a tactical genius.

whiterebel

5 more for the win!!

10000maniacs

Great save Meslier, not a weak link.

10000maniacs

6:2

GoldFour4

Meslier is absolutely not the problem. He’s made some great saves this season and is super composed when we are playing out from the back. One of the best deals Orta has done in my opinion.

Cracking strike from Dallas.

adaminho

malistheman wrote: »

Cracking strike from Dallas.

The Bushmills is working lads!

adaminho

adaminho wrote: »

The Bushmills is working lads!

:D

whiterebel

Struijk needs to sort out his positioning. He is all over the place.

adaminho

adaminho wrote: »

The Bushmills is working lads!

Deleted User wrote: »

:D

There's a bottle of Cointreau in the press, can we get Meslier up for Corners?

Mushy

That weak link causing a lot of trouble the last few minutes

10000maniacs

Meslier has done good today. Another good save.

is_that_so

Mushy wrote: »

That weak link causing a lot of trouble the last few minutes

The weak link is every player who has given the ball way today.

10000maniacs

Harrison misses a sitter. Embarrassing.

Kristopherus

What a miss !!!

GoldFour4

Wonder is Bielsa still keen on Dan James?

is_that_so

10000maniacs wrote: »

Harrison misses a sitter. Embarrassing.

That is the word for the day.

10000maniacs

Roll on Burnley. 20 points before Christmas.

Mushy

10000maniacs wrote: »

Roll on Burnley. 20 points before Christmas.

Very annoying theres no midweek games

event

Some boom bust here lads.

Lose to West ham. It was a disaster, this is wrong, that is wrong

Destroy Newcastle. All is well, we are great.

Hammered today. We need 6 players etc.

I'm not too bothered, we will get a few more hammerings this year. Bielsa will not change lads. This is the way he plays. He has played the same way his entire career and isn't going to change because Leeds lose a few games.
The style got us promoted, had us as an incredible team over 2 years and now we should change it after 14 games?

We are a promoted team. As I said at the start of the year, if we finish 17th its a good season. Let's forget about Europe or top half ffs. Its a marathon, not a sprint

whiterebel

Well if he can't modify the game plan we can look forward to the same v Spurs x 2, Chelsea, Liverpool, MU at Elland Road. Play clever like Spurs did at OT, wait for the mistake and then charge forward. Their second home win of the season. They must have loved seeing it was Leeds, because we were made for them.

adaminho

whiterebel wrote: »

Well if he can't modify the game plan we can look forward to the same v Spurs x 2, Chelsea, Liverpool, MU at Elland Road. Play clever like Spurs did at OT, wait for the mistake and then charge forward. Their second home win of the season. They must have loved seeing it was Leeds, because we were made for them.

But It worked against Man City and Arsenal and to an extent against Liverpool in that we were in the game to the last few mins!

Carcharodon

event wrote: »

Some boom bust here lads.

Lose to West ham. It was a disaster, this is wrong, that is wrong

Destroy Newcastle. All is well, we are great.

Hammered today. We need 6 players etc.

I'm not too bothered, we will get a few more hammerings this year. Bielsa will not change lads. This is the way he plays. He has played the same way his entire career and isn't going to change because Leeds lose a few games.
The style got us promoted, had us as an incredible team over 2 years and now we should change it after 14 games?

We are a promoted team. As I said at the start of the year, if we finish 17th its a good season. Let's forget about Europe or top half ffs. Its a marathon, not a sprint

Yep, the talk of Europe was absolutely madness, there are some really delusional fans out there
I posted here during the week that we could easily lose 5-2 to United, it’s just the nature of the beast.
It just sucks that it was United that did that to us

10000maniacs

event wrote: »

Some boom bust here lads.

Lose to West ham. It was a disaster, this is wrong, that is wrong

Destroy Newcastle. All is well, we are great.

Hammered today. We need 6 players etc.

I'm not too bothered, we will get a few more hammerings this year. Bielsa will not change lads. This is the way he plays. He has played the same way his entire career and isn't going to change because Leeds lose a few games.
The style got us promoted, had us as an incredible team over 2 years and now we should change it after 14 games?

We are a promoted team. As I said at the start of the year, if we finish 17th its a good season. Let's forget about Europe or top half ffs. Its a marathon, not a sprint

Bielsa sets up the same every week despite the opposition. We should set up to suit our ability or lack of ability or we are easy pickings for the ManU's, Chelseas, Leicesters and Spurs of this world.
This needs to be worked on.
Sheffeld United nearly got a result against ManU three days ago, because they did exactly that.

adaminho

10000maniacs wrote: »

Bielsa sets up the same every week despite the opposition. We should set up to suit our ability or lack of ability or we are easy pickings for the ManU's, Chelseas, Leicesters and Spurs of this world.
This needs to be worked on.
Sheffeld United nearly got a result against ManU three days ago, because they did exactly that.

We are where we are because of Bielsa's set up! Honestly we usually lose at OT so I'd rather have a go at them and lose 6-2 than set up defensively and go down 2/3-0! It was 2 fast goals that killed us, if we'd got to 20mins at 0-0 and be a lot more confident of the result. During the first half we were 3/4 down and looked like we were winning the way we attacked!

event

event wrote: »

Some boom bust here lads.

Lose to West ham. It was a disaster, this is wrong, that is wrong

Destroy Newcastle. All is well, we are great.

Hammered today. We need 6 players etc.

I'm not too bothered, we will get a few more hammerings this year. Bielsa will not change lads. This is the way he plays. He has played the same way his entire career and isn't going to change because Leeds lose a few games.
The style got us promoted, had us as an incredible team over 2 years and now we should change it after 14 games?

We are a promoted team. As I said at the start of the year, if we finish 17th its a good season. Let's forget about Europe or top half ffs. Its a marathon, not a sprint

Spot on.

Fans expected us to challenge for Europe after a decent start that confirmed that Bielsa was the greatest since Revie, a few weeks later that changed to shipping out half the team to avoid relegation and questioning the same manager...and in the past few days it's turned every way.

whiterebel

adaminho wrote: »

We are where we are because of Bielsa's set up! Honestly we usually lose at OT so I'd rather have a go at them and lose 6-2 than set up defensively and go down 2/3-0! It was 2 fast goals that killed us, if we'd got to 20mins at 0-0 and be a lot more confident of the result. During the first half we were 3/4 down and looked like we were winning the way we attacked!

Which is exactly what we needed to try and do. Keep it tight and hit them when the opportunities arose. With their home record the nerves would have got worse the longer it went on.

event

10000maniacs wrote: »

Bielsa sets up the same every week despite the opposition. We should set up to suit our ability or lack of ability or we are easy pickings for the ManU's, Chelseas, Leicesters and Spurs of this world.
This needs to be worked on.
Sheffeld United nearly got a result against ManU three days ago, because they did exactly that.

We are easy pickings because we just got promoted.

Sheffield United nearly got a point? If me auntie had balls she'd be me uncle. They didn't get a point. They got beat.
We didn't suffer through 18 years of sh1te to watch us go to old Trafford and park the bus.

I dont believe a man that has been managing 40 years should change what he has done since the start because we have lost 7 games.
Let's have some perspective

10000maniacs

Deleted User wrote: »

Spot on.

Fans expected us to challenge for Europe after a decent start that confirmed that Bielsa was the greatest since Revie, a few weeks later that changed to shipping out half the team to avoid relegation and questioning the same manager...and in the past few days it's turned every way.

Again, you are misreading what I am saying.
You don't set up the same way against ManU as you do against Newcastle. You need to hang back a little more against ManU because they will have so much attacking options, space and speed otherwise.

adaminho

10000maniacs wrote: »

Again, you are misreading what I am saying.
You don't set up the same way against ManU as you do against Newcastle. You need to hang back a little more against ManU because they will have so much attacking options, space and speed otherwise.

That's not the Bielsa way though! Play your own game and let other's worry about you! If We'd scored first how different would the game would've been? We looked the better team for most of the first half!

Kingp35

adaminho wrote: »

That's not the Bielsa way though! Play your own game and let other's worry about you! If We'd scored first how different would the game would've been? We looked the better team for most of the first half!

Did we? I'm not sure how being carved open at will makes you the better team.

I get what people are saying with Bielsas way but it absolutely was his fault for how he set the team up today. You can't play the same against every team.

adaminho

Kingp35 wrote: »

Did we? I'm not sure how being carved open at will makes you the better team.

I get what people are saying with Bielsas way but it absolutely was his fault for how he set the team up today. You can't play the same against every team.

Bielsa doesn't have a plan B though. We play the same every game cause that's what works for him! Don't forget we were down to the bare bones at the back, even if we wanted to we couldn't really set up defensively.

Hijpo

adaminho wrote: »

Bielsa doesn't have a plan B though. We play the same every game cause that's what works for him! Don't forget we were down to the bare bones at the back, even if we wanted to we couldn't really set up defensively.

I dont know how you can watch a billion hours of footage and still play the same way for 90 minutes. I mean the team doesn't even change, maybe that's because we dont have depth in the squad.

newhouse87

No real surprise so not to disappointed, have to be unbelievable clinical against top teams like united and we are not at that level of converting our chances, disappointed that Phillips was taking off for him being a local lad in particular, don't think there was any need for it, struijk was never going to do any better.

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote: »

Again, you are misreading what I am saying.
You don't set up the same way against ManU as you do against Newcastle. You need to hang back a little more against ManU because they will have so much attacking options, space and speed otherwise.

I wasn't addressing you.

And I didn't say one thing about tactics. I was talking about the switching between high praise and harsh criticism from some...I'm not sure you've moved from the latter!

There's no point telling me about how Bielsa gets set up wrong, he never asks my opinion anyway...;)

adaminho

Hijpo wrote: »

I dont know how you can watch a billion hours of footage and still play the same way for 90 minutes. I mean the team doesn't even change, maybe that's because we dont have depth in the squad.

Because 8/10 times it works! I said it earlier in the thread , The last home game I was at was a 1-1 vs Sunderland in April 2018, of that squad ( incl. underage players) there was 9 involved today and Berardi and Forshaw as well!

Hijpo

adaminho wrote: »

Because 8/10 times it works! I said it earlier in the thread , The last home game I was at was a 1-1 vs Sunderland in April 2018, of that squad ( incl. underage players) there was 9 involved today and Berardi and Forshaw as well!

What is the 8/10 times?
Matches, attacks, certain teams?

event

Kingp35 wrote: »

Did we? I'm not sure how being carved open at will makes you the better team.

I get what people are saying with Bielsas way but it absolutely was his fault for how he set the team up today. You can't play the same against every team.

FWIW I agree its his fault, 100%. But I know he's not going to change, so don't even consider it.

10000maniacs

Deleted User wrote: »

I wasn't addressing you.

And I didn't say one thing about tactics. I was talking about the switching between high praise and harsh criticism from some...I'm not sure you've moved from the latter!

There's no point telling me about how Bielsa gets set up wrong, he never asks my opinion anyway...;)

No Leeds player came off well after that game. I give criticism whenever due. Especially after a 6:2 defeat. Does not mean I am less of a Leeds fan. Quite the opposite actually.
Harrison and Bamford needed to score those chances.
Bielsa needs a more dynamic setup so he can change tack depending on the opposition or how the game is going. It needed to be more defensive today.

adaminho

10000maniacs wrote: »

No Leeds player came off well after that game. I give criticism whenever due. Especially after a 6:2 defeat. Does not mean I am less of a Leeds fan. Quite the opposite actually.
Harrison and Bamford needed to score those chances.
Bielsa needs a more dynamic setup so he can change tack depending on the opposition or how the game is going. It needed to be more defensive today.

I would disagree, the last thing you could say is his team's are not dynamic!

10000maniacs

adaminho wrote: »

I would disagree, the last thing you could say is his team's are not dynamic!

You misunderstand what I mean by dynamic. When things were going bad in the first few minutes, park the bus for 20 minutes in order to settle the team down a bit. Then try to attack them on the break (which we have proved we are good at on occasion).

adaminho

10000maniacs wrote: »

You misunderstand what I mean by dynamic. When things were going bad in the first few minutes, park the bus for 20 minutes in order to settle the team down a bit. Then try to attack them on the break (which we have proved we are good at on occasion).

adjective
1.
(of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.
"a dynamic economy"
2.
(of a person) positive in attitude and full of energy and new ideas.
"a dynamic young advertising executive"

Fair enough, I'll take option Two every time though!

Eggs For Dinner

newhouse87 wrote: »

No real surprise so not to disappointed, have to be unbelievable clinical against top teams like united and we are not at that level of converting our chances, disappointed that Phillips was taking off for him being a local lad in particular, don't think there was any need for it, struijk was never going to do any better.

Game was gone and I believe Phillips and Klitch are on 4 yellows each. Bigger fish to fry

newhouse87

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Game was gone and I believe Phillips and Klitch are on 4 yellows each. Bigger fish to fry

the 4 yellows didn't think of that, fair enough so.

is_that_so

Some good news on the defence front. Llorente will be back in training from today.

is_that_so

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Game was gone and I believe Phillips and Klitch are on 4 yellows each. Bigger fish to fry

They were also very poor on the day, a concern in both cases, as it's been happening a bit lately.

whiterebel

MoTD 2 last night showed how easily we were laid open. KP was given the man marking job on Fernandes who just pulled him across the park. Then Klich decided to go missing at vital times. Still can't believe MB couldn't see that coming. The gaps between the front line and defence were ludicrous. There are times you have to keep it tight for a while to try and frustrate, particularly that team who were short on confidence at home.
Yesterday was the equivalent of the Charge of the Light brigade, or a child sticking its hand into the fire 6 times.

is_that_so

The "weak link" as some have called him. He saved Leeds from an even bigger drubbing.


https://twitter.com/LUFCDATA/status/1340765502558318592

whiterebel

For a lad his age, Meslier is a fantastic keeper. If he continues to develop I think he'll be right up there in a few years.