Cork council merger plans to be axed but extension of city boundary recommended

Reputable Rog

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Time to implement the original recommendations as they are messing around too much now.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/County-Council-reject-boundary-extension-deal-after-marathon-talks-2a18b631-7a23-4dca-ac37-39b07c7b6c5f-ds

It will end up as a merger in time.

namloc1980

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Time to implement the original recommendations as they are messing around too much now.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/County-Council-reject-boundary-extension-deal-after-marathon-talks-2a18b631-7a23-4dca-ac37-39b07c7b6c5f-ds

The County are just pathetic at this stage. The cabinet has signed off on the deal, how they think they can come along again and try to change it is beyond me. At this stage the original MacKinnon recommendations need to be implemented and be done with it. County Councillors are like a bunch of kids throwing their toys out of the pram.

mire

Cabinet have already approved the deal.

boardsuser1

Reputable Rog wrote: »

It will end up as a merger in time.

Would you reckon? That idea will create more problems than it solved to to the nursery in county hall.

namloc1980 wrote: »

The County are just pathetic at this stage. The cabinet has signed off on the deal, how they think they can come along again and try to change it is beyond me. At this stage the original MacKinnon recommendations need to be implemented and be done with it. County Councillors are like a bunch of kids throwing their toys out of the pram.

Yeah, the MacKinnon report is the only way to go.

Monard needs to be brought into the city if Blarney and Tower are. Ovens,Little Island and Carrigtwohill would be great as well. Money is what it's over as we all know.

mire wrote: »

Cabinet have already approved the deal.

Can they go back on the deal?

Water John

My understanding was on the agreement 2 weeks ago that Little Island and Carrigtohill were staying in the County.

namloc1980

Water John wrote: »

My understanding was on the agreement 2 weeks ago that Little Island and Carrigtohill were staying in the County.

Yes but the crèche in county hall are moaning over that now.

Water John

Still not clear to me. Tim Lucey and Anne Doherty, along with the two Lord Mayors came to an agreement. This is a variation on the McKinnion Report.
For example, Ballincollig went to the city and EMC stayed in the county.
Blarney and Airport went to the city.

Patrick 1959

County council will always continue to build and promote building as close to cork city as they can,even with the modest boundary extension agreed they are worried it will effect” there “ City Cash Cow. When I read of Cork County Council members in the far off corners of Cork (20/60 miles from the City) talk as if Little Island,or cork airport are on the outskirts of Kanturk Skibreen or Youghal ) it shows the limited view they have in creating any real rate base in there own areas. The outskirts of Cork City (7 mile radius from city center) will always insure they won’t have to do anything other then watch The rates flow in from the outskirts of Cork City. The agreed extension is hindering them in the Blarney (railway line) area so they will continue with there Monard town plan, County Council will also allow Ovens, Killumley, Ballygarvan to unplanned sprawl , I The Mackinnon report should go ahead to help build better transport, industrial urban area under one council and go a long to stopping the county’s urban sprawl policies .

Reputable Rog

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

County council will always continue to build and promote building as close to cork city as they can,even with the modest boundary extension agreed they are worried it will effect” there “ City Cash Cow. When I read of Cork County Council members in the far off corners of Cork (20/60 miles from the City) talk as if Little Island,or cork airport are on the outskirts of Kanturk Skibreen or Youghal ) it shows the limited view they have in creating any real rate base in there own areas. The outskirts of Cork City (7 mile radius from city center) will always insure they won’t have to do anything other then watch The rates flow in from the outskirts of Cork City. The agreed extension is hindering them in the Blarney (railway line) area so they will continue with there Mallard town plan, County Council will also allow Ovens, Killumley, Ballygarvan to unplanned sprawl , The Mackinnon report should go ahead to help build better transport, industrial urban area under one council and go a long to stopping the county’s urban sprawl policies .

Wow, some rant. Where's this Mallard place,somewhere in the harbour?

Roger Hassenforder

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

County council will always continue to build and promote building as close to cork city as they can,even with the modest boundary extension agreed they are worried it will effect” there “ City Cash Cow. When I read of Cork County Council members in the far off corners of Cork (20/60 miles from the City) talk as if Little Island,or cork airport are on the outskirts of Kanturk Skibreen or Youghal ) it shows the limited view they have in creating any real rate base in there own areas. The outskirts of Cork City (7 mile radius from city center) will always insure they won’t have to do anything other then watch The rates flow in from the outskirts of Cork City. The agreed extension is hindering them in the Blarney (railway line) area so they will continue with there Monard town plan, County Council will also allow Ovens, Killumley, Ballygarvan to unplanned sprawl , I The Mackinnon report should go ahead to help build better transport, industrial urban area under one council and go a long to stopping the county’s urban sprawl policies .

"Cash cow". City actually gets LPT from the County. Are most commuters travelling from County into City or vise versa. So who benifets from the rates from those employers?

"Real bases in Kanturk/Skibbereen/ Youghal"
Dafuq? How are they going to pay for it? Some of their revenue is diverted to these godforsaken parts of county to try and maintain some semblance of an existance for the locals.
Is it the right thing to do? Dunno.
Have you the same problem with Dubs supporting you with their tax?

Drive around rural Ireland- its fcuking dying.


People want to live and work in cities now. Employers want to set up where the services and infrastructure is, and where they can attract employees.

This may be good for Cork City, but its a disaster for the county of Cork. The City of Cork is the economic hub of the County. But dont think Cork City Council is the economic driver for the region, being bled by the children in the creche.
Its due to both Councils sharing interest in a geographic region they have inherited a functional interest in.

Patrick 1959

Cork city needs a city boundary of 7/9 miles radius from city center managed by one council or mayor the county council should be stopped from planing new towns or any major urban development near the Boundary to stop urban sprawl . This new city area should be enough land To see us to the end of the centurry, h

Reputable Rog

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Cork city needs a city boundary of 7/9 miles radius from city center managed by one council or mayor the county council should be stopped from planing new towns or any major urban development near the Boundary to stop urban sprawl . This new city area should be enough land To see us to the end of the centurry, h

How about an English translation, your rant makes no sense.

Roger Hassenforder

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Cork city needs a city boundary of 7/9 miles radius from city center managed by one council or mayor the county council should be stopped from planing new towns or any major urban development near the Boundary to stop urban sprawl . This new city area should be enough land To see us to the end of the centurry, h

who dafuq is this "us"
there's about 550,000 people living in Cork

Patrick 1959

A lot of one liners there boys, One needs a translator , the other needs to know that there will always be an us and them .

Reputable Rog

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

A lot of one liners there boys, One needs a translator , the other needs to know that there will always be an us and them .

Well if you punctuated your sentences we might make some sense of what you are actually saying.
I cannot figure out where your sentences begin and end.

Patrick 1959

Who is this we ?

Roger Hassenforder

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

A lot of one liners there boys, One needs a translator , the other needs to know that there will always be an us and them .

who is "them"?

Roger Hassenforder

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Who is this we ?

Rog and i are a bit confused.
Maybe Rog is royalty too.

Patrick 1959

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Rog and i are a bit confused.
Maybe Rog is royalty too.

Yes I agree . Rog and Roger (that reminds me of another double act) can you stay with the thread boys,

Reputable Rog

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Yes I agree . Rog and Roger (that reminds me of another double act) can you stay with the thread boys,

Can you tell us all what your trying to say?

Patrick 1959

The Mackinnon report should now be implemented in full.

snotboogie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"Cash cow". City actually gets LPT from the County. Are most commuters travelling from County into City or vise versa. So who benifets from the rates from those employers?

"Real bases in Kanturk/Skibbereen/ Youghal"
Dafuq? How are they going to pay for it? Some of their revenue is diverted to these godforsaken parts of county to try and maintain some semblance of an existance for the locals.
Is it the right thing to do? Dunno.
Have you the same problem with Dubs supporting you with their tax?

Drive around rural Ireland- its fcuking dying.


People want to live and work in cities now. Employers want to set up where the services and infrastructure is, and where they can attract employees.

This may be good for Cork City, but its a disaster for the county of Cork. The City of Cork is the economic hub of the County. But dont think Cork City Council is the economic driver for the region, being bled by the children in the creche.
Its due to both Councils sharing interest in a geographic region they have inherited a functional interest in.

Dublin doesn't support Cork with its tax. Cork is a net contributor to the state

snotboogie

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

The Mackinnon report should now be implemented in full.

For those wondering what you mean:

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/County-Council-reject-boundary-extension-deal-after-marathon-talks-2a18b631-7a23-4dca-ac37-39b07c7b6c5f-ds

Reputable Rog

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

The Mackinnon report should now be implemented in full.

And how would that stop this urban sprawl your so diametrically opposed to ?
Or is it case Cork City sprawl good ( so your children will magically able to afford a house in the City) or urban sprawl in the county bad?

Water John

I think Patrick wants to live in the city, in a house in Inniscarra.

snotboogie

Reputable Rog wrote: »

And how would that stop this urban sprawl your so diametrically opposed to ?
Or is it case Cork City sprawl good ( so your children will magically able to afford a house in the City) or urban sprawl in the county bad?

It's been answered already:

"The answer to where the city boundary should be is represented in commuting flows," he said.

"Census commuting patterns indicate that people are predominantly travelling from Douglas, Ballincollig, Glanmire, Midleton, Passage, Rochestown and Carrigaline to workplaces in the harbour, Little Island and the existing city area on a daily basis.

"The city-regional authority should be governing these resident and workplace areas and working on the integration of existing urban landscape.

Roger Hassenforder

snotboogie wrote: »

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"Cash cow". City actually gets LPT from the County. Are most commuters travelling from County into City or vise versa. So who benifets from the rates from those employers?

"Real bases in Kanturk/Skibbereen/ Youghal"
Dafuq? How are they going to pay for it? Some of their revenue is diverted to these godforsaken parts of county to try and maintain some semblance of an existance for the locals.
Is it the right thing to do? Dunno.
Have you the same problem with Dubs supporting you with their tax?

Drive around rural Ireland- its fcuking dying.


People want to live and work in cities now. Employers want to set up where the services and infrastructure is, and where they can attract employees.

This may be good for Cork City, but its a disaster for the county of Cork. The City of Cork is the economic hub of the County. But dont think Cork City Council is the economic driver for the region, being bled by the children in the creche.
Its due to both Councils sharing interest in a geographic region they have inherited a functional interest in.

Dublin doesn't support Cork with its tax. Cork is a net contributor to the state

Cork City is not a net contributor to the state. Its not even self financing.

Patrick 1959

Reputable Rog wrote: »

And how would that stop this urban sprawl your so diametrically opposed to ?
Or is it case Cork City sprawl good ( so your children will magically able to afford a house in the City) or urban sprawl in the county bad?

The urban sprawl around cork city has been caused by cork county council . I put this down to no boundary extension in the last 50 years and 2 Councils with different agendas. Thanks to the County Council We are faced with a population on the county side of boundary larger then the city itself .


Mackinnon report would plan for all major urban and industries to be built in side this new boundary . Enough land to plan for housing as close to industry or railway lines as possible. Areas like Ballincoig would most likely see some sort of tram system. Cork county council would than have to stop any large scale urbanization on the new boundary. This plan should see cork city with enough space to grow for the next 50 years.

Roger Hassenforder

snotboogie wrote: »

Reputable Rog wrote: »

And how would that stop this urban sprawl your so diametrically opposed to ?
Or is it case Cork City sprawl good ( so your children will magically able to afford a house in the City) or urban sprawl in the county bad?

It's been answered already:

"The answer to where the city boundary should be is represented in commuting flows," he said.

"Census commuting patterns indicate that people are predominantly travelling from Douglas, Ballincollig, Glanmire, Midleton, Passage, Rochestown and Carrigaline to workplaces in the harbour, Little Island and the existing city area on a daily basis.

"The city-regional authority should be governing these resident and workplace areas and working on the integration of existing urban landscape.

Is that the third time you've quoted the UCC guy in about 20 posts?

City-regional authority has another name. Like the one in Waterford and Limerick.

snotboogie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Cork City is not a net contributor to the state. Its not even self financing.

Cork is a net contributor to the state. I'm not talking about city councils