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Military Road closures

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    #32
    Alek
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Alek


    Parts of the poor girl

    I've read it was a man in his 20ies?


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    #33
    cython
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    Alek wrote: »
    I've read it was a man in his 20ies?

    DNA testing since showed it was a female, since named locally asa grandmother from Dublin: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/wicklow-mountains-murder-victim-named-locally-and-remembered-as-loving-grandmother-35825348.html


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    #34
    dunleakelleher
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭dunleakelleher


    1bryan wrote: »
    Closing 20 miles of road just seems a bit OTT.
    ya think?
    some poor sod has just been killed and chopped up. his body parts strewn along the road and you think closing 20 miles of national park road, that in your own post recognizes the road is only used for recreational porpuses is a bit OTT. :eek:
    well, thank god nothing serious happened there.


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    #35
    1bryan
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭1bryan


    dunleakelleher wrote: »
    ya think?
    some poor sod has just been killed and chopped up. his body parts strewn along the road and you think closing 20 miles of national park road, that in your own post recognizes the road is only used for recreational porpuses is a bit OTT. :eek:
    well, thank god nothing serious happened there.

    what the hell is wrong with you? Read what I said, engage your brain to figure out what I meant, then come back to me.


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    #36
    irishrover99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    cython wrote: »
    DNA testing since showed it was a female, since named locally asa grandmother from Dublin: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/wicklow-mountains-murder-victim-named-locally-and-remembered-as-loving-grandmother-35825348.html

    Turned out to be a near neighbour of mine. You never know who you are living by.RIP


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    #37
    Eamonnator
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    1bryan wrote: »
    to be closed for a week, according to some news sources. Not belittling the seriousness of what's going on but it seems extreme to pretty much shut the whole of military road down?

    The Military Road from the Featherbeds to Laragh is, to all intents and purposes, a crime scene. Crime scenes have to be preserved until all evidence is collected.
    I don't think, it's, in any way, extreme to close the road to the public.


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    #38
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    1bryan wrote: »
    what the hell is wrong with you? Read what I said, engage your brain to figure out what I meant, then come back to me.

    How can they preserve the scene and search for evidence along the roadway (where it seems the body parts were dust thrown out from a moving car) without closing the road?

    You referred to it as OTT. What in your opinion should they do ?

    By all accounts what they have done has resulted in finding multiple crime scenes along the closed roadway and at other sites.

    A job well done if you ask me and not OTT in the slightest. The victim and her family deserve no less than a full search of the area (which now includes a grave in Wexford and a site at Hell Fire Club) and a thorough investigation for evidence and remains.

    There are many more hills and roads in Dublin and Wicklow to drive or cycle on that are not crime scenes.


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    #39
    1bryan
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    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    How can they preserve the scene and search for evidence along the roadway (where it seems the body parts were dust thrown out from a moving car) without closing the road?

    You referred to it as OTT. What in your opinion should they do ?

    By all accounts what they have done has resulted in finding multiple crime scenes along the closed roadway and at other sites.

    A job well done if you ask me and not OTT in the slightest. The victim and her family deserve no less than a full search of the area (which now includes a grave in Wexford and a site at Hell Fire Club) and a thorough investigation for evidence and remains.

    There are many more hills and roads in Dublin and Wicklow to drive or cycle on that are not crime scenes.

    yep, all fair enough. Just, I never remember such a long stretch of road being closed for anything other than bad weather before.

    And without meaning to be pedantic, from what I can gather from the media coverage, it seems all finds were made by members of the public and not the search teams, but that's somewhat moot.

    Anyway, that's the last from me. I expressed a viewpoint, now I'm being attacked (not by you - your post was reasonable, hence my responding).

    Obviously, thoughts are with those affected by this.

    Cycling-only, from now on


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    #40
    buffalo
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    1bryan wrote: »
    yep, all fair enough. Just, I never remember such a long stretch of road being closed for anything other than bad weather before.

    How many crimes have such a wide scattering of finds and therefore crime scenes, with potential for more finds in between and further afield?
    1bryan wrote: »
    And without meaning to be pedantic, from what I can gather from the media coverage, it seems all finds were made by members of the public and not the search teams, but that's somewhat moot.

    Not true - the latest finds were by search teams.


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    #41
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    The Army is out searching. This is a scene of horror. All we should be saying is condolences to the lady's friends and family.


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    #42
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    1bryan wrote: »
    yep, all fair enough. Just, I never remember such a long stretch of road being closed for anything other than bad weather before

    In the words of Bray Garda, it is unprecedented as a crime/ crime scene!


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    #43
    Thud
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    The fact they first thought the body was 25 year old man vs 60 woman indicates how gruesome it must have been, not a nice job.

    the amount of rubbish dumped up there can't have helped with the search, I'd imagine some poor Garda/Soldier has to go through all of that just in case.


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    #44
    LpPepper
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭LpPepper


    Went for a drive just up to Viewpoint yesterday evening and saw 2 guys cycling down from Military Road through the "Road Closed" signs and then down towards Cruagh, also another come up from Hellfire direction and straight through the road closed sign...

    Can some people not read?...


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    #45
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    LpPepper wrote: »
    Went for a drive just up to Viewpoint yesterday evening and saw 2 guys cycling down from Military Road through the "Road Closed" signs and then down towards Cruagh, also another come up from Hellfire direction and straight through the road closed sign...

    Can some people not read?...

    AFAIK "Road closed" signs only apply to Motorised traffic.


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    #46
    LpPepper
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭LpPepper


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    AFAIK "Road closed" signs only apply to Motorised traffic.

    Really? I would have thought any access wouldn't be permitted. If I had cycled up and planned on going towards Featherbeds I would have turned around upon seeing the sign


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    #47
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    AFAIK "Road closed" signs only apply to Motorised traffic.

    Road closed is a closed road for all.


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    #48
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Road closed is a closed road for all.


    Link? The only reference i can find to road closures are in the 1961 Road Traffic act, which refers to "Mechanically Propelled vehicles".


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    #49
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    LpPepper wrote: »
    Really? I would have thought any access wouldn't be permitted. If I had cycled up and planned on going towards Featherbeds I would have turned around upon seeing the sign

    So would I, but mainly because the reason for the road closure has been very well publicised.


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    #50
    smacl
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    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    Road closed is a closed road for all.

    I would thought that was certainly the intention in this case, regardless of the rule of law. Given that a man has been charged and admitted to the killing I'd say we'll have the Military road back sooner rather than later.


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    #51
    thejaguar
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    Has there been any indication if/when the road will be re-opened? Or is there somewhere you can get information?


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    #52
    irishrover99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    thejaguar wrote: »
    Has there been any indication if/when the road will be re-opened? Or is there somewhere you can get information?


    From someone i follow on Strava, his ride last night brought him over the Sally Gap from the Manor Kilbride way and then onto Luggula and up Ballinastoe.

    He said he had to go that way as the other ways were closed.


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    #53
    Thud
    Registered Users Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Thud


    No times on this segment this week:
    https://www.strava.com/segments/13033138?filter=overall


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    #54
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Link? The only reference i can find to road closures are in the 1961 Road Traffic act, which refers to "Mechanically Propelled vehicles".

    It's closed because it's a crime scene, something that the section from RTA you refer to does not have relevance /regulation on /of. Anyone who passes such a sign in this case is probably commiting an offence - hindering or interfering with a criminal investigation.

    Given the circumstances, I can't even see how the relevance of these signs to motor traffic only is up for discussion/ debate.


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    #55
    Maudi
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    1bryan wrote: »
    there are businesses in the area that will be decimated by this. They always take a hit in the winter months when the road is impassible, but tend to make up for it this time of year with the amount of walkers, cyclists, sunday drivers, etc.

    No one 'needs' to be there, but it's a national park. An amenity available to be enjoyed by anyone who wants.
    Thank Gods

    Closing 20 miles of road just seems a bit OTT.

    Ironically, there'll have been a lot less cyclists up that road since the botch job they made resurfacing from Lough Bre to Sally Gap.

    Thank Gods


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    #56
    Razor Russ
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    According to AA Roadwatch Laragh to Glencree is now reopen. Glencree to the viewing point not yet. Hopefully it reopens before Saturday. I am doing a charity cycle across that road.

    https://www.theaa.ie/roadwatch/newsroom/


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    #57
    thejaguar
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    Razor Russ wrote: »
    According to AA Roadwatch Laragh to Glencree is now reopen. Glencree to the viewing point not yet. Hopefully it reopens before Saturday. I am doing a charity cycle across that road.

    https://www.theaa.ie/roadwatch/newsroom/

    I'm doing a charity cycle up there myself tomorrow - apparently the organisers have been in touch with the Gardai. I believe they'll get confirmation early in the morning and if the road remains closed they'll be using an alternative route.

    I'm doing the Tallaght Hospital Summer 99 cycle.


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    #58
    Thud
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    thejaguar wrote: »
    I'm doing a charity cycle up there myself tomorrow - apparently the organisers have been in touch with the Gardai. I believe they'll get confirmation early in the morning and if the road remains closed they'll be using an alternative route.

    I'm doing the Tallaght Hospital Summer 99 cycle.

    if you could update us here when you hear it would be appreciated


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    #59
    terrydel
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    Anyone giving out about the 'inconvenience', get a fecking life.
    Loads of other roads you can take. If its only your cycling thats being impacted then you arent really impacted at all. Cant believe people are actually checking acts of legislation over this! Just cycling a different fecking road and wait til it reopens. Good Lord.


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    #60
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    terrydel wrote: »
    Anyone giving out about the 'inconvenience', get a fecking life.
    Loads of other roads you can take. If its only your cycling thats being impacted then you arent really impacted at all. Cant believe people are actually checking acts of legislation over this! Just cycling a different fecking road and wait til it reopens. Good Lord.

    It could not be put better!


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    #61
    buffalo
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    Anyone know which stretch is still closed? Is it this: https://goo.gl/maps/oQzTzL1WLrH2


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