Need help, been harassed for 2 months..

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MAJJ

anna080 wrote: »

The point of the video would be more to let the people accusing you of being racist know what's going on. You could make a point of saying that this is the last time you're going to address it and won't be mentioning it again. At least when you're impersonator directs people to your channel the commenters will see the video where you address what's going on and they'll know it's not you saying those things.
You can pin tweets on Twitter so they stay at the top of your content. Maybe have a link to the video there too.

This is a what I think too, you get out ahead of it. Also, I would get them traced too to identify them but be careful not to name them.

Shurimgreat

Turn off the internet, watch the news, see how less fortunate people are elsewhere in the world and then come back to us.

This sounds like a classic first world problem you are having.

greencap

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Turn off the internet, watch the news, see how less fortunate people are elsewhere in the world and then come back to us.

This sounds like a classic first world problem you are having.

get off boards. theres someone out there whos poor.

Kimbot

MOD Shurimgreat & greencap, cut it out theres no need for the unhelpful posts.

Quite interesting how many (not a huge amount but more than I expected) posts there are essentially saying "Give up - run away - let the bully win" on the thread. The moment I read the OP I expected one (there is always one) but there's been a few now.

Kimbot

MC212 wrote: »

Ive used the report tool (first link) about 5 times, nothing has been done. Plus if they did get shut down it would take literally a few minutes to set up another channel on their account.

Havent tried the second one though so thanks!

You should request that your followers also report the pages and it will be dealt with quicker if more reports are added in.

MC212

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Turn off the internet, watch the news, see how less fortunate people are elsewhere in the world and then come back to us.

This sounds like a classic first world problem you are having.

Thanks for the input.

wakka12

wonderfullife wrote: »

Without being too nosy, and it's only relevant to the type of advice you might get ....How many subscribers do you roughly have?

I mean - are you talking:

0-10,000
10,000 - 50,000
50,000 - 200,000

Or bigger?

With due respect, if the subscribers total was in the 1st or 2nd category, is it really worth the hassle?

Its actually really hard to get subscribers, 30k is a really big achievement, and you can a lot of money for a subscriber base of that size

wakka12

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Turn off the internet, watch the news, see how less fortunate people are elsewhere in the world and then come back to us.

This sounds like a classic first world problem you are having.

She said its destroying her business and she's being personally harassed,by a clearly quite obsessed individual, dont see how its a first world problem at all

wonderfullife

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite interesting how many (not a huge amount but more than I expected) posts there are essentially saying "Give up - run away - let the bully win" on the thread. The moment I read the OP I expected one (there is always one) but there's been a few now.

It's an under-rated piece of advice to walk away from a toxic situation, regardless of the perceived binary winners/losers in a zero-sum game.

Boom_Bap

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's an under-rated piece of advice to walk away from a toxic situation, regardless of the perceived binary winners/losers in a zero-sum game.

Also it's threatening to spill over to threats being carried out in real life against family and friends.

So just wait for that to happen then?

MC212

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Also it's threatening to spill over to threats being carried out in real life against family and friends.

So just wait for that to happen then?

Not sure if it will but if I do get something like a Skype, a number or an email I can find out who they are. Cant do much with a throwaway YouTube channel.

loyatemu

Posting racist comments while purporting to be someone else could be considered defamation - I'm not sure whether the guards would do anything but a solicitor who specialises in online issues might be able to assist.

The only way you can find out who is doing this is to get first YouTube to provide IPs and timestamps and then the ISP that owns the IPs to identify the user - your not going to be able to do this without some legal intervention.

However you should first put together a detailed timeline of what has happened with screenshots etc and formally complain to YouTube/Google - they may be able to identify the user's main account and take some action against them. Just shutting down the fake accounts one by one is an exercise in futility. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802268?hl=en

wonderfullife

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Also it's threatening to spill over to threats being carried out in real life against family and friends.

So just wait for that to happen then?

I'm sure you're well aware that persistent trolling, harassment and threats happen every second of every minute online. It's extremely rare for them to come to anything and there's not a whole lot the social media sites or Guards can do/will do.

There's only so much the OP can do. Report them to youtube and the Guards, sure, but that's likely to prove fruitless and pointless. Youtube can certainly do more but likely won't. I've no idea what people expect the Guards to do either if it's some anonymous troll from Wyoming using a Russian VPN doing it for sh1ts and giggles.

Minderbinder

MC212 wrote: »

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Also it's threatening to spill over to threats being carried out in real life against family and friends.

So just wait for that to happen then?

Not sure if it will but if I do get something like a Skype, a number or an email I can find out who they are. Cant do much with a throwaway YouTube channel.

Could you set up a new email account and display it on your YouTube channel as bait? Maybe it's not allowed but I think you need to think of ways to entice him into contacting you.

Kimbot

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm sure you're well aware that persistent trolling, harassment and threats happen every second of every minute online. It's extremely rare for them to come to anything and there's not a whole lot the social media sites or Guards can do/will do.

There's only so much the OP can do. Report them to youtube and the Guards, sure, but that's likely to prove fruitless and pointless. Youtube can certainly do more but likely won't. I've no idea what people expect the Guards to do either if it's some anonymous troll from Wyoming using a Russian VPN doing it for sh1ts and giggles.

The guards can do plenty and sure thats what the like of interpol etc are for.

wonderfullife

jonnycivic wrote: »

The guards can do plenty and sure thats what the like of interpol etc are for.

In my case they did not much. They said they'd keep an eye out on my gaf whenever they're in the area and to call them If I see anything suspicious.

You're watching too many films.

wonderfullife

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's an under-rated piece of advice to walk away from a toxic situation, regardless of the perceived binary winners/losers in a zero-sum game.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

So just wait for that to happen then?

To my knowledge though that _rarely_ happens. Admittedly limited knowledge sure - but what little I have heard suggests this is almost unheard of statistically.

Consider the alternative - that we live in a world where any content provider we do not like we can simply start threatening so they walk away and shut down. That is not a world I want to live in - YMMV.

I have had many threats in my life - online as I described earlier. Off line merely for being who I am. And also off line for being involved heavily in things like campaigning on the equal marriage referendum.

Where would we be if everyone receiving threats - like I did - simply closed up shop and walked away? And for what? The whatever minute % of threats that are actually followed through.

It is advice worth _giving_ and advice worth _considering_ for sure. And the OP should consider it. But advice worth _following_ - I would not be as sure myself I am afraid.

Someone threatened me it stops with me - I am not going to run away so the perpetrator can move on to the next victim - bolstered further by his victory over me. But I repeat - that is just me I guess.

Minderbinder

wonderfullife wrote: »

jonnycivic wrote: »

The guards can do plenty and sure thats what the like of interpol etc are for.

In my case they did not much. They said they'd keep an eye out on my gaf whenever they're in the area and to call them If I see anything suspicious.

You're watching too many films.

I'd be inclined to agree. Reported credit card fraud a couple of years ago, where my card was used to order stuff online but I didn't hear a word from them afterwards.

Boom_Bap

Deleted User wrote: »

To my knowledge though that _rarely_ happens. Admittedly limited knowledge sure - but what little I have heard suggests this is almost unheard of statistically.

Consider the alternative - that we live in a world where any content provider we do not like we can simply start threatening so they walk away and shut down. That is not a world I want to live in - YMMV.

I have had many threats in my life - online as I described earlier. Off line merely for being who I am. And also off line for being involved heavily in things like campaigning on the equal marriage referendum.

Where would we be if everyone receiving threats - like I did - simply closed up shop and walked away? And for what? The whatever minute % of threats that are actually followed through.

It is advice worth _giving_ and advice worth _considering_ for sure. And the OP should consider it. But advice worth _following_ - I would not be as sure myself I am afraid.

Someone threatened me it stops with me - I am not going to run away so the perpetrator can move on to the next victim - bolstered further by his victory over me. But I repeat - that is just me I guess.

I do see what you are saying, but from the opening post I read it that it was a genuine concern by the OP. They have since sort of reduced that concern.

sheesh

I do not know if this will work but

Email the person with a html email that links to an image hosted on your own webspace if they open the email and allow the image to be viewed it will send a request to your website you can check the logs to see what is the ip address of the recpient.

I'll see if this works.....

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loyatemu

sheesh wrote: »

I do not know if this will work but

Email the person with a html email that links to an image hosted on your own webspace if they open the email and allow the image to be viewed it will send a request to your website you can check the logs to see what is the ip address of the recpient.

I'll see if this works.....

and then what? An IP address may identify what country the user is in, but not much more.

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ScumLord

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm sure you're well aware that persistent trolling, harassment and threats happen every second of every minute online. It's extremely rare for them to come to anything and there's not a whole lot the social media sites or Guards can do/will do.

There's plenty youtube/google can do they just won't, unless you're a major entertainment company.

At the very least they can ban the accounts, email addresses and IPs, it's likely youtube know a hell of a lot about that user, he's basically their product and they know enough about him to sell that data onto other people.

There's freedom of speech and abusing freedom of speech, google can't be responsible for everything people say but they also have to have some method for dealing with these people once they know they're using their service for abuse, once they know and do nothing I think they become somewhat complicit.

greencap

MC212 wrote: »

Not sure if it will but if I do get something like a Skype, a number or an email I can find out who they are. Cant do much with a throwaway YouTube channel.

you could link a website to your channel, mention it in your videos.

that website would have google analytics and various other audience data plugins integrated that would give meta-data.

talk with a web developer, you could lay a trap to get their meta data - gender, location and so forth.

Its an option, albeit it only one for someone very committed.

Business does this kind of thing for commercial reasons, and they go further than you might expect.

I've made a few websites, a while back, and I wasn't particularly into it, but I do remember listening to a podcast about developer tools and some of the companies are quite nosy indeed when it comes to marketing information and meta-data. And if you're the site owner you get that info.

Google analytics (free) for example can show you operating system used, the users device model, maybe even give times, and gender (though this may not be 100% reliable).

So if you know someone who owns a samsung and lives in the UK and works shifts for example .... and it all correlates with the times the troll appears, his/her device and geo data you've got them.

And web hosts allow you to switch on/off availability in countries. So you can most probably deduce your trolls nationality.

A fair investment of time and or cash for a little progress, but it might just unfurl their anonymity.

wonderfullife

ScumLord wrote: »

There's plenty youtube/google can do they just won't, unless you're a major entertainment company.

At the very least they can ban the accounts, email addresses and IPs, it's likely youtube know a hell of a lot about that user, he's basically their product and they know enough about him to sell that data onto other people.

There's freedom of speech and abusing freedom of speech, google can't be responsible for everything people say but they also have to have some method for dealing with these people once they know they're using their service for abuse, once they know and do nothing I think they become somewhat complicit.

Let's be real, Youtube care more about copyright infringement etc than they do about some fool making repeated threats in the comments section.

If people making abusive threats hit Youtube in their wallet, you can be sure they'd find ways to clamp down on it.

ScumLord

wonderfullife wrote: »

Let's be real, Youtube care more about copyright infringement etc than they do about some fool making repeated threats in the comments section.

But according to the OP there is copyright infringement going on. He's taking pictures and content from the OPs videos and using them himself. that's why I said earlier he should put in a complaint that way, it should shut down the channel instantly while they check if it's true or not. I wonder if they did find he was in breach of the OPS copyright would they hand over personal details so he could bill the abuser?

dreamers75

Is there a financial benefit to anyone if your channel is shut down or loses viewers?

If you are making money Youtube will ban the fcuk out of anyone who you can prove is harassing you. You can persist with them and they will ban whoever it is.