Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

Billy86

Leroy42 wrote: »

Seems the latest rumoured deal (I say rumoured in terms of the total specifics, both WH and Dems agree that a deal has been agreed) is putting Trumps base into a bit of a tailspin.

Ann Coulter, a well known Trump supporter, (she wrote a book "In Trump we Trust") although she has been wavering in the last few months (who hasn't?) tweeted today

Breibart has headlines such as


There are loads more, particularly the GOP members are sending out Tweets all around denounching Trump and the deal.

Give it a few days, they'll wait for someone to come up with an excuse and rally around that talking point much like how "Trump for isolationism, an end to US involvement in the middle east and to avoid nuclear war!" became "deep state, deep state!!" and finally "Trump is right to bomb the middle east and show Kim who's got more nukes!"

We've seen it before and we'll see it again, extreme cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing and very common in cults.

Rjd2

Leroy42 wrote: »

Seems the latest rumoured deal (I say rumoured in terms of the total specifics, both WH and Dems agree that a deal has been agreed) is putting Trumps base into a bit of a tailspin.

Ann Coulter, a well known Trump supporter, (she wrote a book "In Trump we Trust") although she has been wavering in the last few months (who hasn't?) tweeted today

Breibart has headlines such as




There are loads more, particularly the GOP members are sending out Tweets all around denounching Trump and the deal.

Its a very risky strategy for Trump, he is infuriating his base and at best appeasing his enemies.

Its a bold strategy etc meme inserted here.

aloyisious

Obvious Otter wrote: »

The best thing Trump can do for America is to implode the GOP party and oust Ryan and McConnell. These guys are the definition of the 'swamp' that Trump promised to drain. It will be interesting to see if he wins and I think he will as Ryan and co are probably the most unpopular politicans in the US and they don't have the support or base that Trump has.

The GOP know they have no chance without Trump and that's why all their funding has Trump's name all over it. If the power struggle continues it's likely to damage both sides in the long run. Trump's base are as anti-GOP as it gets which is the funny thing about all this. They hate the RNC as much as they dislike the DNC.

Interesting times ahead! The GOP are getting their just deserts for years of poor representation.

That last bit is exactly what has been said about why the Dems lost the election.

Christy42

Rjd2 wrote: »

Its a very risky strategy for Trump, he is infuriating his base and at best appeasing his enemies.

Its a bold strategy etc meme inserted here.

Absolutely but I hope it is true. It really looks like it is a big win for the democrats given the main piece is the DACA issue and (supposedly no funding for the wall).

If they can force Republicans into getting DACA written into law properly it would be a good step forward. The bipartisan stuff is nice to see as well (I get the debt ceiling was done but isn't that normally automatic nearly?)

It would hilarious if this ended up as Trump's largest piece of legislation to date given it seems to he more a democratic piece.

It is risky, while many will approve I doubt it will be enough for the any on the left to forget all of Trump's flaws.

A Little Pony

The fake Trump he designed to win the Presidency has been completed. Now for the liberal Trump, the real Trump who he has always been on social and on many other issues. It should have been a Conservative and not some fake t*at with stupid hair.

Leroy42

A Little Pony wrote: »

The fake Trump he designed to win the Presidency has been completed. Now for the liberal Trump, the real Trump who he has always been on social and on many other issues. It should have been a Conservative and not some fake t*at with stupid hair.

The Liberal Trump who has defunded any abortion related funding for overseas agencies?
Who is taken away the funding element of planned parenthood through medical aid?
Who wants to massively reduce funding for education unless it is private?
Who wants to reduce taxes for Corporations and the Elite whilst reducing job retraining schemes for the unemployed?
The liberal who believes that white people are superior to people of colour.
Who doesn't want believe in doing anything to help reduce the gender pay gap?

But any number of people on here were telling people such as yourself that Trump is a conman, a charlatan. That literally nothing he says could be taken at face value.

But in your hatred of HC, you put all that aside to row in behind this person. I can only hope that your above post at least means that you have finally seen that you were conned and have been made a fool out of. At that you learn from the lesson.

aloyisious

A Little Pony wrote: »

The fake Trump he designed to win the Presidency has been completed. Now for the liberal Trump, the real Trump who he has always been on social and on many other issues. It should have been a Conservative and not some fake t*at with stupid hair.

So you agree he's a conman?

Quin_Dub

Trump has no agenda or policy or guiding principals.

He only cares about looking good and getting "wins" , and getting them now.. Long term planning isn't his thing.

What he has seen is that the GOP are too internally fractured between the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party type and the relatively more moderate side to be able to deliver on any of their agenda.

So now he sees an opportunity to get some wins by leveraging the Dems.

I don't think he has invested any thought into the longer term implications of that.. He's just wants the applause now..

In fact in Trumps world, the Dems gaining control of the Senate might actually work in his favour (in his mind), because they are at least capable of voting as a block to get things over the line.

Longer term of course it hurts the GOP and hurts his re-election chances as the GOP will hang him out to dry , but all he sees is the potential for good press and praise today.

MadYaker

I think you have it about right Quin, the guy is a ruthless pragmatist who just wants to be seen to have a "win". I think he also knows that mass deportations of people under the DACA program would be political suicide, only the most hardline republicans would support that. I also think he's getting tired of the GOPs nonsense. They are fractured into 3 or 4 different groups and can't vote as a block so what use are they to him? He'd get more done working with the democrats and the moderate faction of the GOP.

This a massive two finger salute to the GOP and a lot of is base imo who wanted the dreamers gone, that's going to hurt his chances of reelection, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he has zero interest in serving a second term. I use reddit as a gauge for what his supporters are thinking, not sure how accurate it is since a lot of his base are probably old white people who don't use the internet. It seems that some support this but most see it as a betrayal.

I think he's going to cave on the wall next, or at least move the goalposts massively. Proper funding for that requires congressional approval and at the moment none of the dems and less than half of the GOP congressmen think it's a good idea.

Christy42

MadYaker wrote: »

I think you have it about right Quin, the guy is a ruthless pragmatist who just wants to be seen to have a "win". I think he also knows that mass deportations of people under the DACA program would be political suicide, only the most hardline republicans would support that. I also think he's getting tired of the GOPs nonsense. They are fractured into 3 or 4 different groups and can't vote as a block so what use are they to him? He'd get more done working with the democrats and the moderate faction of the GOP.

This a massive two finger salute to the GOP and a lot of is base imo who wanted the dreamers gone, that's going to hurt his chances of reelection, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he has zero interest in serving a second term. I use reddit as a gauge for what his supporters are thinking, not sure how accurate it is since a lot of his base are probably old white people who don't use the internet. It seems that some support this but most see it as a betrayal.

I think he's going to cave on the wall next, or at least move the goalposts massively. Proper funding for that requires congressional approval and at the moment none of the dems and less than half of the GOP congressmen think it's a good idea.

Probably. I mean there is nothing in his history to suggest he ever supported this massive reversal before now but I will happily take it if he does it. While it may be done for the wrong reasons a couple of things done well is a good thing.

Massive credit to the democrats on this as well. Showing they will work with Trump to get sensible stuff through.

You are right on the GOP. I think a lot has to do with how some of their ideals have been shown to be wrong. Their ideal should be no Obamacare or any healthcare but people can see now that that would screw over millions. So we are left with the pragmatists who are willing to ignore this and the idealists who still want their original ideal.

This covers a whole range of issues, not just the healthcare given above.

MadYaker

I wonder why he decided to go to the democrats now? He gave congress six months didn't he? It's only been what, 2 weeks? I mean I'm not saying I have faith in them to get it together enough to actually pass some legislation to deal with the DACA issue but if I was in his position I probably would have given them a bit longer. Working with the GOP on this, if possible, would have been a much more advantageous solution for him. Even if they had given total amnesty to the dreamers he could have said it was all their idea and maybe his supporters would have been happier with it. He is in a precarious position now.

Manic Moran

MadYaker wrote: »

I wonder why he decided to go to the democrats now? He gave congress six months didn't he? It's only been what, 2 weeks? I mean I'm not saying I have faith in them to get it together enough to actually pass some legislation to deal with the DACA issue but if I was in his position I probably would have given them a bit longer. Working with the GOP on this, if possible, would have been a much more advantageous solution for him. Even if they had given total amnesty to the dreamers he could have said it was all their idea and maybe his supporters would have been happier with it. He is in a precarious position now.

He didn't say he wanted Congress to do nothing until the day before the deadline. It's an issue that's in the news right now, there's force behind it, why not solve the problem now?

I go with #3 of the list before. He just wants the wins. It's not often noted but the single biggest recipient in Congress of Trump campaign donations over the years is Schumer, the lead Senate Democrat. His ideology has never been hard right.

pitifulgod

Manic Moran wrote: »

He didn't say he wanted Congress to do nothing until the day before the deadline. It's an issue that's in the news right now, there's force behind it, why not solve the problem now?

I go with #3 of the list before. He just wants the wins. It's not often noted but the single biggest recipient in Congress of Trump campaign donations over the years is Schumer, the lead Senate Democrat. His ideology has never been hard right.

I'm doubtful if he is even has a real opinion for the most part, let alone an ideology. To date he has catered for white supremacist and extremism in the US. His most significant actions as president included his Charlottesville remarks and the Arpaio pardon. So regardless of what he thinks, he's enabled a very dangerous portion of US society and has added to bigotry. So hard right or not, it simply doesn't matter.

Water John

I know there is internal dissention within the Dems as well about any cooperation with DT. But Schumer and Pelosi may be the only politicians getting anything actually done. That will really isolate the right of the GOP.

MadYaker

I would hope that the democrats wouldn't be opposed to working with Trump just because it's Trump. That's what the GOP did during Obama's years and the democrats slated them for it. It's an incredibly juvenile attitude for an elected representative to have and if someone I voted for took that position I would not vote for them again. It needs to be about policy and not about personalities. But then again the American electorate rewarded the GOP for that behaviour by handing them all three major wings of government so who knows.

everlast75

MadYaker wrote: »

I would hope that the democrats wouldn't be opposed to working with Trump just because it's Trump. That's what the GOP did during Obama's years and the democrats slated them for it. It's an incredibly juvenile attitude for an elected representative to have and if someone I voted for took that position I would not vote for them again. It needs to be about policy and not about personalities. But then again the American electorate rewarded the GOP for that behaviour by handing them all three major wings of government so who knows.

More likely to work with him to píss off the republicans...

Water John

I think that would rate as a bonus point, not any part of a Democratic Party core strategy.

Christy42

MadYaker wrote: »

I wonder why he decided to go to the democrats now? He gave congress six months didn't he? It's only been what, 2 weeks? I mean I'm not saying I have faith in them to get it together enough to actually pass some legislation to deal with the DACA issue but if I was in his position I probably would have given them a bit longer. Working with the GOP on this, if possible, would have been a much more advantageous solution for him. Even if they had given total amnesty to the dreamers he could have said it was all their idea and maybe his supporters would have been happier with it. He is in a precarious position now.

Maybe enough people pointed out Republicans doing something here would be about as successful as health.

Most know what needs to be done and what people will feel is right (like healthcare) but it would go against the Republican principles to vote to let those people stay. If he wants a win here the only way it will come to pass is if the democrats are involved and they happen to grab some Republican moderates as well.

Leroy42

As was pointed out, maybe Trump sees that the GOP are utterly divided, the clearest example being the Healthcare attempt.

If he can get Dems on his side then he only needs a handful on Senators from the GOP to reach the number.

Obama tried to reach across the house, but from Day 1 GOP were against everything and anything that he did.

IMO, the job of the POTUS should be to get the right things done, whether that means going with one party or the other or both.

I don't have much hope that this is actually what is at play here though. I think it is more to do with a combination of Trump wanting to 'win' something and also rub the GOP noses in it. The fact that he appears to be going against the apparent driving policy behind his presidency would seem to suggest that he is only concerned about himself

spacecoyote

Good article on fivethirtyeight about why the GOP are failing to get the job done whoch may well align with trumps moves with the dems

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-republicans-cant-govern/

Itssoeasy

CNN are reporting that president trump has once again claimed that the both sides in Charlottesville were to blame for the violence there.

I mean why does he need to reopen this issue after he made a less then stellar attempt the first time.

Billy86

Itssoeasy wrote: »

CNN are reporting that president trump has once again claimed that the both sides in Charlottesville were to blame for the violence there.

I mean why does he need to reopen this issue after he made a less then stellar attempt the first time.

Because he doesn't want to alienate white supremacists, who form the core of his remaining base.

He knows no matter what he does, even if it is introduce an openly socialist regime with progressive tax rates starting at 60% with free abortions for all, the he will not lose the Republican fundamentalist section, because the letter (R) appear beside his name. White supremacists on the other hand, they have other concerns than worshipping a letter of the alphabet as their God and will hold Trump to assisting their bigoted agenda.

Maddeningly, I think I actually respect the white supremacists more of the two groups.

Itssoeasy

North Korea have fired an unidentified missile in the direction of Japan causing Japanese officials to ask people to find shelter.

aloyisious

Don, according to Fox News [online version] is unhappy with Susan Rice testimony before House Int Committee "unmasking" of members of his transition team. The report says the transition team met the UAE Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan traveled to New York last December before Trump was sworn into office for a meeting with several top Trump officials, including Michael Flynn, Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon, CNN reported.

The meeting preceded a separate effort by the UAE to facilitate a back-channel communication between Russia and the incoming Trump administration.

Fox headline: Trump rips Susan Rice on unmasking days after she spoke to House panel

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5576368244001/

Fox interviewed Trey Gowdy who praised Susan for her testimony.....
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/14/susan-rice-unmasking-testimony-congress-trey-gowdy-says-she-did-good-job.
Fox News report segment: Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, appeared on "America's Newsroom" and said that the CNN report is "consistent" with what Rice said during her two-and-a-half-hour testimony.

Rjd2

Water John wrote: »

I know there is internal dissention within the Dems as well about any cooperation with DT. But Schumer and Pelosi may be the only politicians getting anything actually done. That will really isolate the right of the GOP.

Nancy should be out of a job ages ago when you consider the state of the dem party, but those moaning about her working with Trump are silly when it comes to DACA. If I were a "dreamer" I'd have been terrified after the Sessions speech the other week, she and Chuck have intervened and sorted it and the dreamers should be thankful.

Its all well and good for people on an Irish forum to point out that that nothing was going to come of this, but if you were a dreamer, would you have been so calm? Dunno tbh.

If Nancy and Chuck had shunned Trump, it would have been a very nervous few months for the dreamers when you consider how volatile Trump can be. Yep Trump would have been hammered in the press, but heh what use is that if you were terrified about been deported?

Politics is about working with people you don't like for the betterment of society, Dreamers can relax and in exchange Trump gets not awful coverage for a few days,everyone is a winner.

Zubeneschamali

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean why does he need to reopen this issue after he made a less then stellar attempt the first time.

Stop trying to look for hidden motives. He has the attention span of a goldfish, and does whatever morning TV tells him to do.

He's Chauncey Gardiner.

ECO_Mental

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He's Chauncey Gardiner.

Had to hit wikipedia hard on this one but this is Trump down to a tee...could nearly be autobiography. Instead of plant references Trump refers to every thing in building terms eg his own son "he's a high quality person" yeah like Trump Jr. has fine Italian marble for teeth or something....

Water John

It's interesting though, that discussions with the Dems was possible once Bannon was gone.
Kelly obviously taking it more mainstream with a focus on getting things done.

Peregrinus

Water John wrote: »

It's interesting though, that discussions with the Dems was possible once Bannon was gone.
Kelly obviously taking it more mainstream with a focus on getting things done.

This. I think the petulant toddlers are slowly being marginalised or forced out of the administration, and the adults are beginning to exercise a degree of control. There's not much that can be done to get rid of the toddler-in-chief, but once he's the only toddler in the house and is kept somewhat calm with a regular diet of campaign rallies and golf, plus warm milk and rusks of an evening, he might not be too disruptive, and the adults can work with the people in Congress who can get some stuff done. Who, as it happens, turn out to be the Democrats.

I wouldn't expect anything too dramatic. But some of the less-psychotic-but-still-popular elements of Trump's electoral platform aren't 100% repugnant to the majority of Democrats, and tto some moderate Republicans, and I think the emerging strategy is for the adults to make deals with them, and then to tell Trump that is was his idea to do so - "and a brilliant idea too, if I may say so, sir".

Leroy42

Rjd2 wrote: »

Politics is about working with people you don't like for the betterment of society, Dreamers can relax and in exchange Trump gets not awful coverage for a few days,everyone is a winner.

Well except for his base which voted for both a wall and the deportation of illegals and is now getting neither.
And except for the GOP which now has a POTUS without having any actual policies that are in line with him and seemingly have little power to influence him.
And the Dreamers who have been tossed around the last few weeks from get them out, to give us six months, to I love them all, to something needs to be done, to ah its ok I was only having you on you can all stay afterall.
And Sessions who has been made look a right fool. His speech was full of 'compassion is the rule of law' and now has that ripped from under him
Or Sarah Huckerbee-Sanders, who came out and defended Trumps decision to threaten DACA and now has to come out and say it was all just a ruse.
And Fox News, Hannity, Coulter etc, who had out their faith in Trump and been his biggest cheerleaders.
And Trump himself who has shown, yet again, that he has no ability to think things through (like with the transgender ban) and that his word is worthless.

But yeah, everyone is a winner

Billy86

Rjd2 wrote: »

Politics is about working with people you don't like for the betterment of society, Dreamers can relax and in exchange Trump gets not awful coverage for a few days,everyone is a winner.

That did'nt last long, since he's back out in defense of his white supremacist base again. And now Sen. Russianbacker is in on the same, trying to call the Charlottesville terrorist attack "a set up".

Racism, or just continuing on with Putin's bidding?

Peregrinus

Billy86 wrote: »

That did'nt last long, since he's back out in defense of his white supremacist base again. And now Sen. Russianbacker is in on the same, trying to call the Charlottesville terrorist attack "a set up".

Racism, or just continuing on with Putin's bidding?

Or just attention-seeking?

One of the problems with the "let the adults take care of business" approach that I outlined a few posts back is that it marginalises Trump, and so risks depriving him of attention/adulation, which will likely lead him to start throwing his toys out of the pram. So the adults may quietly encourage, or at least enable, him to continue offending people he has already offended, and thus gratify the kind of people who are gratified by that, so long as it doesn't cut across the work they are doing.

Billy86

Peregrinus wrote: »

Or just attention-seeking?

One of the problems that I outlines with the "let the adults take care of business" approach a few posts back is that it marginalises Trump, and so risks depriving him of attention/adulation, which will likely lead him to start throwing his toys out of the pram. So the adults may quietly encourage, or at least enable, him to continue offending people he has already offended, and thus gratify the kind of people who are gratified by that, so long as it doesn't cut across the work they are doing.

Potentially, though I find it very interesting that as well as Trump, the *House representative who both the House speaker and house majority leader (both in the GOP - Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy) were caught openly discussing being a paid Russian plant/shill, is trying to use the Kremlin propaganda playbook on this.

It's funny, Trump needed something but looking at the reaction of his base he got played like a fiddle here and going by his insistence on bringing Charlottesville back up he absolutely knows it.

*Not a Senator, he's in the house - coffee is still digesting!

aloyisious

Billy86 wrote: »

That did'nt last long, since he's back out in defense of his white supremacist base again. And now Sen. Russianbacker is in on the same, trying to call the Charlottesville terrorist attack "a set up".

Racism, or just continuing on with Putin's bidding?

Was that R/bacher you meant above; and is it in reference to the surprising low-key police operation controlling the event or what? I'm thinking of the police going along with a stunt that gives sympathy to those Don's hinterland don't like, not what would be liked in the hinterland.

Aug 16.... https://rohrabacher.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rohrabacher-condemns-charlottesville-attackers-all-political-violence

Edit.... OK not R/bacher, but a person with the same name as a 1950's right-wing US politician who didn't like commies

Billy86

aloyisious wrote: »

Was that R/bacher you meant above; and is it in reference to the surprising low-key police operation controlling the event or what? I'm thinking of the police going along with a stunt that gives sympathy to those Don's hinterland don't like, not what would be liked in the hinterland.

Aug 16.... https://rohrabacher.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/rohrabacher-condemns-charlottesville-attackers-all-political-violence

Edit.... OK not R/bacher, but a person with the same name as a 1950's right-wing US politician who didn't like commies

Funny enough, Russianbacker is a play on Rohrbacher because of that same McCarthy (and Paul Ryan) openly discussing and laughing about the fact that he is essentially a paid Russian agent in their very own party.

This was what his latest comment on it was: http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-rep-dana-rohrabacher-blames-democrats-1505426333-htmlstory.html
“It was a setup for these dumb Civil War reenactors,” Rohrabacher said. “It was left-wingers who were manipulating them in order to have this confrontation” and to “put our president on the spot.”

Classic example of trying to play all sides against each other to spread disinformation and paranoia that comes directly from Vlad Surkov in the Kremlin.

Billy86

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908642277987356673

"Another attack in London by a loser terrorist.These are sick and demented people who were in the sights of Scotland Yard. Must be proactive!"

This is in immediate response to a botched terrorist attempt in London this morning, from the guy who point blank refused to acknowledge or condemn neo Nazi terrorist attacks in his very own country because he claimed to not want to pass comment without the full details.

BillyBobBS

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

Billy86

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

Yet when it's a white supremacist, he point blank refuses to acknowledge it. Almost as if he relies on this to form the core of his base.

I'm sure you reckon "both sides" are to blame for the recent UK terrorist attacks though.

robinph

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

No it isn't, he should keep his mouth shut until the information is released when the relevant authorities in London decide to. Just because he gets copied on the latest updates from Mi5 etc doesn't mean he should instantly go re-tweeting it about. It is for the Met to release that information not some foreign "president".

Zubeneschamali

Peregrinus wrote: »

So the adults may quietly encourage, or at least enable, him to continue offending people he has already offended, and thus gratify the kind of people who are gratified by that, so long as it doesn't cut across the work they are doing.

This is how the Government was run when Reagan was senile in the White House, except he didn't have Twitter.

Thepoet85

BillyBobBS wrote:

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

Has this been verified, or are you just assuming these "losers" did this.

Point scoring on tragic events, sad that it's come to this.

Professor Moriarty

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

Trump didn't mention the word 'Islamic'.

How do you know it is 'Islamic' terrorism?

Zubeneschamali

Thepoet85 wrote: »

Point scoring on tragic events, sad that it's come to this.

Trump on his reluctance to comment on the Charlottesville killing:

TRUMP: I didn't wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don't make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don't know the facts. And it's a very, very important process to me. And it's a very important statement. So, I don't want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts.

BabyCheeses

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Excellent to see that Tweet from president Trump. Calling this what it is a terrible attack on innocent people by Islamic terrorist losers.

But both sides have bad people.

Zubeneschamali

BabyCheeses wrote: »

But both sides have bad people.

There are bad people on many sides, many sides.

BabyCheeses

BabyCheeses wrote:

But both sides have bad people.

What? You really think comparing Antifa mobs & Nazi mobs against Islamic terrorists & the general public is a fair comparison or are you just being wildly unfunny?

everlast75

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Trump on his reluctance to comment on the Charlottesville killing:

TRUMP: I didn't wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don't make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don't know the facts. And it's a very, very important process to me. And it's a very important statement. So, I don't want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts.

I find it hard to even stomach reading his words. His lack of syntax and vocabulary, his phrasing.. causes me to throw up a little in my mouth

Leroy42

Deleted User wrote: »

What? You really think comparing Antifa mobs & Nazi mobs against Islamic terrorists & the general public is a fair comparison or are you just being wildly unfunny?

They are really just after the same thing. The white supremacist/neo-nazi's in US want to control and use force to get their own way. They believe in their God, their religion, the supremacy of their ideals and the fact that the country belongs to them. They believe in keeping others down in order to maintain their status and believe that they are destined by God to be in charge. And if they feel their voices are not being heard they will use force to get noticed.

ISIS feel the same way, but have taken it to a whole new level.

Terrorists are not just Muslims or in the Middle East.

Billy86

Deleted User wrote: »

What? You really think comparing Antifa mobs & Nazi mobs against Islamic terrorists & the general public is a fair comparison or are you just being wildly unfunny?

It's perfectly fair to compare terrorists committing terrorist attacks with terrorists committing terrorist attacks, yeah.

robinph

May isn't too keen on Trump shooting his mouth off on Twitter so freely, and surprisingly has actually said so now rather than just repeating niceties back and forth about "working together with our partners in US/ UK" or some such:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41283984