Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

Billy86

Others too I would assume, lots of people have interest in oil and gas money to be made in the middle east.

Don't forget though, Trump for peace and isolationism!

Tony EH

Mmmmm...

Wasn't one of Trump's platforms that Clinton was a "warmonger" for her stance on Syria and he didn't want to get involved in overseas wars?

Billy86

Tony EH wrote: »

Mmmmm...

Wasn't one of Trump's platforms that Clinton was a "warmonger" for her stance on Syria and he didn't want to get involved in overseas wars?

On boards in particular that seemed like the #1 reason for Trump fans to claim, well that and avoiding what they were eager to paint as a seemingly inevitable potential nuclear war.

Hhmmmm indeed...

wes

Wanderer78 wrote: »

is it just the donald behind all this?

Well, its him, his administration and the republican party.

recedite

There won't be any war, Iran is much too formidable to attack.
Its about the US showing it still has the power to turn on or off international sanctions against Iran. Which impresses the Saudis, who are good customers of US arms firms.
Saudis seem to have been warming to Russia recently. As the Syria conflict draws to a close, it will be seen in hindsight that Russia backed the winners and USA backed the losers.

And at a cocktail party, everybody likes to cosy up to a winner. Nobody wants to be seen talking to a loser.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/saudi-russia-visit-putin-oil-middle-east

Leroy42

So it seems that the whiff of issues around Ivanka and Jared continues to grow. Just days after a report that they had been using personal e-mail accounts for official business ( the exact thing that Donald had such an issue with for HC) they have recently rerouted their personal e-mails accounts through computers run by the Trump organisation.

This, in addition to the issue of handling official government communications through third parties, also brings up the issue of the separation of the Trump business from the WH. How did they get access to the computers without first running it through Eric and Don JR, as, in line with ethical guidelines, Trump should have no connection to his business while POTUS.

When are the GOP, Alex Jones, Briebart, Fox etc going to start talking about Jared and Ivanka's e-mails?

ECO_Mental

This has to be the funniest thing I have read all year the mind bending and mental gymnastics to justify gerrymandering from Fox is just laughable. This is from a so call serious journalist saying that's it better fro Democrats that there is gerrymandering... I'm am actually dumbfounded

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/05/supreme-court-takes-on-gerrymandering-but-does-it-even-work.html

"Imagine an extreme case: a state with five districts where three out of five voters are Republican. The legislature could draw lines that give Republicans 60 percent in each district, or it could draw lines that give Republicans 100 percent in three districts while Democrats get 100 percent in two districts.

Which is better for Democrats? They might assume getting two out of five districts is better than getting none, but is it? With districts either completely red or blue, both parties could grow strongly polarized, presumably picking more extreme right or left wing candidates. In practice, this could mean the legislators wouldn’t compromise and the GOP would win an endless series of three to two votes.

But if each district were 60 percent GOP to 40 percent Democrat, you’d likely get more moderate Republicans, who might be willing to compromise and give Democrats some of what they want. There might even be some Democrats elected—moderates, probably, who could take enough of the Republican vote to go over the top."

Sorry not really on trump but some connection

Mr.Micro

recedite wrote: »

There won't be any war, Iran is much too formidable to attack.
Its about the US showing it still has the power to turn on or off international sanctions against Iran. Which impresses the Saudis, who are good customers of US arms firms.
Saudis seem to have been warming to Russia recently. As the Syria conflict draws to a close, it will be seen in hindsight that Russia backed the winners and USA backed the losers.

And at a cocktail party, everybody likes to cosy up to a winner. Nobody wants to be seen talking to a loser.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/saudi-russia-visit-putin-oil-middle-east

Iran would indeed be a different kettle of fish. The long term effects of a war with Iran would be disastrous

Has Trump asked his boss Putin about this. Why not go at North Korea as well at the same time? All those shiny weapons need to be used.

BuilderPlumber

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Iran would indeed be a different kettle of fish. The long term effects of a war with Iran would be disastrous

Has Trump asked his boss Putin about this. Why not go at North Korea as well at the same time? All those shiny weapons need to be used.

Trump is a secret agent working AGAINST American extremism by pretending to be an American extremist and embarrassing extremists so much that no American would vote again for a Republican party dominated by them. That is his game.

If Trump works for Putin, he is not going to war with Iran or North Korea as they are Putin's and thus Trump's friends against a common enemy, the Republican party's hardliners. It is all a big game but let's hope the end result is the demise of American fascism.

Billy86

Overheard the US is down 33,000 jobs over September when an increase of 80,000 was expected.

BuilderPlumber

recedite wrote: »

There won't be any war, Iran is much too formidable to attack.
Its about the US showing it still has the power to turn on or off international sanctions against Iran. Which impresses the Saudis, who are good customers of US arms firms.
Saudis seem to have been warming to Russia recently. As the Syria conflict draws to a close, it will be seen in hindsight that Russia backed the winners and USA backed the losers.

And at a cocktail party, everybody likes to cosy up to a winner. Nobody wants to be seen talking to a loser.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/saudi-russia-visit-putin-oil-middle-east

Trump is a planted agent to destroy warmongers and racists within the GOP. He is clearly doing ALL he can to destroy them and embarrass them by publically voicing their REAL views. Trump ain't no fool and he is a Trojan horse who is going to take out American fascism and render the current GOP unelectable by 2018. He is spouting rhetoric abut he passes on the responsibility to make that into action to others and everything about him says anti-Republican agent. No wonder Putin backs him as the Republicans are a common enemy of both Trump and Putin.

Christy42

Billy86 wrote: »

Overheard the US is down 33,000 jobs over September when an increase of 80,000 was expected.

Honestly I would need to see a trend here to take anything away from it.

Granted a slow down was to be expected. With an unemployment rate of 4.3% (thanks Obama) there is not much room left to improve upon it in spite of what Trump was blustering about on the campaign trail.

Mr.Micro

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Trump is a secret agent working AGAINST American extremism by pretending to be an American extremist and embarrassing extremists so much that no American would vote again for a Republican party dominated by them. That is his game.

If Trump works for Putin, he is not going to war with Iran or North Korea as they are Putin's and thus Trump's friends against a common enemy, the Republican party's hardliners. It is all a big game but let's hope the end result is the demise of American fascism.

A dangerous game with an idiot in charge. What can go wrong? He goes from one thing another, it's like a terrible TV show, only its reality. Each month people are feeling less and less secure about the future. The Chinese and the Russians are on top now, only Trump does not realise it yet.

BabyCheeses

Christy42 wrote: »

Honestly I would need to see a trend here to take anything away from it.

Granted a slow down was to be expected. With an unemployment rate of 4.3% (thanks Obama) there is not much room left to improve upon it in spite of what Trump was blustering about on the campaign trail.

According to Trump anything less than 300k growth a month is a failure. I respect his decision in considering himself a failure.

Professor Moriarty

BabyCheeses wrote: »

According to Trump anything less than 300k growth a month is a failure. I respect his decision in considering himself a failure.

67% of Americans disapprove of Trump's performance. This includes a third of Republican voters. Here's hoping their dissatisfaction carries on through to the elections next year.

Christy42

BabyCheeses wrote: »

According to Trump anything less than 300k growth a month is a failure. I respect his decision in considering himself a failure.

Well I can't argue with his own targets. I presume he felt them reasonable when he set them.

BuilderPlumber

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

67% of Americans disapprove of Trump's performance. This includes a third of Republican voters. Here's hoping their dissatisfaction carries on through to the elections next year.

Going according to plan so. Agent Trump's agenda to destroy neo-fascism is working. Trump is acting the clown for a reason. A guy like him is never this incompetent and buffoonish ... unless he is doing it deliberately. Trump is working for the good guys pretending to be one of the bad guys. And he is taking down these Republican hardliners better than anyone. By 2018, only 1% of Americans will believe and vote for that party, prompting them to moderate and reform.

BuilderPlumber

Who is Donald Trump working for? Clearly he and someone else have a common enemy - the USA run by hardliner Republicans. Trump is doing ALL he can to embarrass hardliners in the GOP and render that party totally repulsive to American voters as early as 2018. Trump is a very clever guy playing the fool but for who? Democrats, China, Russia, Iran, even Europe all are 100% against racist, Republican hardliners. Even 80% of the Republican party are against the hardliners who control their party. That means most of the world have a lot to gain by having a secret agent called Donald Trump to play the Pied Piper and march hardliners over the proverbial cliff.

Trump is doing an excellent undercover job. He will nip in the bud the rise of a vile fascism that would be worse than Nazism and ISIS combined if went unchecked. Let's hope he can end Republican fascism and remain alive to do so. I think he is working for a united alliance to rid the world of a rogue American regime that tried to attain power in the Bush 2 era.

Manic Moran

Christy42 wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Overheard the US is down 33,000 jobs over September when an increase of 80,000 was expected.

Honestly I would need to see a trend here to take anything away from it.

Granted a slow down was to be expected. With an unemployment rate of 4.3% (thanks Obama) there is not much room left to improve upon it in spite of what Trump was blustering about on the campaign trail.

I'm not sure how figures are calculated, but it seems that the unemployment rate has also dropped, to 4.2%.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment.html
Economists apparently aren't taking too much away from the dip, noting that it's been an unusual month or two...
"[font=georgia, "times new roman", times, serif]“There’s no question there were huge hurricane effects,” he said. Food and drinking establishments alone lost 105,000 jobs last month, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that the number of people who said they were not working because of bad weather [/font][font=georgia, "times new roman", times, serif]jumped by 1.5 million[/font][font=georgia, "times new roman", times, serif]."[/font]

dinorebel

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Who is Donald Trump working for? .

Himself no more no less.

eire4

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

67% of Americans disapprove of Trump's performance. This includes a third of Republican voters. Here's hoping their dissatisfaction carries on through to the elections next year.

His latest decision to allow any employer to deny women access to birth control should galvanize a significant number of women given that as the US does not have a national health care system a large number of Americans get what passes as health care there from their employers who now are going to be able to force their extremist views on their employees in regards to birth control.

ancapailldorcha

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Who is Donald Trump working for? Clearly he and someone else have a common enemy - the USA run by hardliner Republicans. Trump is doing ALL he can to embarrass hardliners in the GOP and render that party totally repulsive to American voters as early as 2018. Trump is a very clever guy playing the fool but for who? Democrats, China, Russia, Iran, even Europe all are 100% against racist, Republican hardliners. Even 80% of the Republican party are against the hardliners who control their party. That means most of the world have a lot to gain by having a secret agent called Donald Trump to play the Pied Piper and march hardliners over the proverbial cliff.

Trump is doing an excellent undercover job. He will nip in the bud the rise of a vile fascism that would be worse than Nazism and ISIS combined if went unchecked. Let's hope he can end Republican fascism and remain alive to do so. I think he is working for a united alliance to rid the world of a rogue American regime that tried to attain power in the Bush 2 era.

We have a forum for Conspiracy Theories. Please take this sort of post there.

jaykay74

When he says only one thing will work I wonder if that means an end to any talking and military action is imminent ? I half expect the followup tweet to be "This means war" in the style of Daffy Duck.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/916750042014404608

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/916751271960436737

20Cent

How irresponsible is it to say the calm before the storm when with a load of generals. If he intends to do something just tipped off whoever it is NK or Iran I guess. If not he's just put them on high alert and scared the crap out of half the world. Can't see any strategic value in it. Seems to be just for his ego running the US like a game show. Come back after the break to see who got voted off.

Inquitus

20Cent wrote: »

How irresponsible is it to say the calm before the storm when with a load of generals. If he intends to do something just tipped off whoever it is NK or Iran I guess. If not he's just put them on high alert and scared the crap out of half the world. Can't see any strategic value in it. Seems to be just for his ego running the US like a game show. Come back after the break to see who got voted off.

As Rex said, he's a Fúcking Moron, that's the be all and end all of this, a completely incompetent Moron is running the world's most powerful nation and with a sycophantic GOP right behind him there is nothing that can be done about it, it's tragic, laughable, and downright depressing. Hopefully 2018 can lessen the harm, but to be fair even with low approval ratings the map is so unfavourable that at best the democrats walk away with the 48/52 split maintained. They might have a better chance in the house.

PropJoe10

Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid......

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2017

...hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, makings fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2017

Would someone take the phone away from him, for the love of God?

Obvious Otter

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I'm sure by 2018, you will see the Democrats winning a landslide and in places they have never won. Trump is a plant to deliberately make hardliners and potential racists in the Republican party look bad. The moderates in the party will try and salvage something but expect chaos and little done and a lot of negative bluster between now and next November. Next November will see a landslide Democrat win for the midterm and then there will be calls for a new president or even a rerun of the election. Trump will step down with his mission accomplished.

It depends on the candidate. I don’t think a landslide election is on the horizon such is the fractured state of America’s politics. There is also no guarantee that Trump will be on the GOP ticket at the next election. The party is in such a fractured state and the GOP establishment is in big trouble. A Democratic candidate with more centrist rhetoric could potentially win a landslide but it’s hard to see the Democrats move away from their core support and far-left activism even if the party pursues policies that would be the equivalent of the conservatives in the UK. It’s hard to see how either party manages to bridge the divide in America IMO.

I think Trump will have a hard time getting the same numbers out again if he keeps shifting away from his radical core support base who continue to worship him for now but the simple fact is that he has delivered on very little of his election promises and if McConnell and Ryan are still leading the GOP then he’ll be in big trouble by 2020, if he isn’t already.

MadYaker

I thought hurricanes, while damaging to the economy in the short term, would provide a boost to the construction industry in the long term and maybe an overall boost to the economy as a result?

I know a guy who was an electrical contractor and has come out of retirement temporarily in Florida because he was offered huge money.

Obvious Otter wrote: »

I think Trump will have a hard time getting the same numbers out again if he keeps shifting away from his radical core support base who continue to worship him for now but the simple fact is that he has delivered on very little of his election promises and if McConnell and Ryan are still leading the GOP then he’ll be in big trouble by 2020, if he isn’t already.

I think when the plans for the wall fall through because congress won't fund it that will be a redline for a lot of his crazier hardcore supporters. He already alienated some of them with the DACA u turn and I think the wall could be the final straw. But you never know he might be able to weasel his way out of it by blaming congress and the democrats and use executive orders to build a load of fencing or something.

ancapailldorcha

Posts deleted. Take the plant conspiracy discussion to the Conspiracy Theories forum please.

rossie1977

One thing that has kind of gone under the radar a bit is the frustration of Republican donors towards what they see as lack of movement as regards their agendas (elimination of aca, taxation, infrastructure leading to massive tax breaks etc). July saw Republicans only generate half the campaign dollars they amassed in June http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/republican-donors-trump-mcconnell-anger-243449

Inquitus

rossie1977 wrote: »

One thing that has kind of gone under the radar a bit is the frustration of Republican donors towards what they see as lack of movement as regards their agendas (elimination of aca, taxation, infrastructure leading to massive tax breaks etc). July saw Republicans only generate half the campaign dollars they amassed in June http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/republican-donors-trump-mcconnell-anger-243449

Donald says otherwise

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/916622087606980609

volchitsa

Inquitus wrote: »

Donald says otherwise

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/916622087606980609

And as we know, The Donald is a veritable George Washington in matters of truth telling.

Billy86

I've never heard anyone refer to Vladimir Putin as a 'small donor' before?

FelchWivMe

wish everyone would back the hell off trump. he's an old man. direct your insults at his youngest son if you must.

Billy86

FelchWivMe wrote: »

wish everyone would back the hell off trump. he's an old man. direct your insults at his youngest son if you must.

But isn't his oldest son is "just a kid"?

Timberrrrrrrr

FelchWivMe wrote: »

wish everyone would back the hell off trump. he's an old man. direct your insults at his youngest son if you must.

He's an idiot and deserves to be called out for his moronic statements

His age does not mean he should not be called out for the stupid things he says and does!

Calina

FelchWivMe wrote: »

wish everyone would back the hell off trump. he's an old man. direct your insults at his youngest son if you must.

He is president. If he cannot stand the heat he gets out of the kitchen.

FelchWivMe

leave him alone. bullying him on an internet forum, you saddos

Timberrrrrrrr

FelchWivMe wrote: »

leave him alone. bullying him on an internet forum, you saddos

Ahhh right


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Yeahhhhhh

No more food for you :rolleyes:

mcmoustache

FelchWivMe wrote: »

leave him alone. bullying him on an internet forum, you saddos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXi7yDHyWo

david75

I'm 100% on board with him just completely taking the p!ss at this stage. He's actually a plant trying to bring down the GOP from the top. He has to be.

https://twitter.com/beardedgenius/status/917035672241954816

Inquitus

david75 wrote: »

I'm 100% on board with him just completely taking the p!ss at this stage. He's actually a plant trying to bring down the GOP from the top. He has to be.
https://twitter.com/beardedgenius/status/917035672241954816

Comical, if he weren't the leader of the world's most powerful nation!

Billy86

david75 wrote: »

I'm 100% on board with him just completely taking the p!ss at this stage. He's actually a plant trying to bring down the GOP from the top. He has to be.
https://twitter.com/beardedgenius/status/917035672241954816

Well more the entire US government infrastructure - also less mentioned, something like 400 positions remain unstaffed without much sign of effort ever having been made to fill those spots. How... very... odd...

Now I wonder who would want to see the US government infrastructure ripped to tatters. Someone who might hold a political and personal grudge against the US, someone who might have grown up in a country where the US was the ultimate enemy, someone who might have plenty of mutual associates with Trump, someone who might have the means to help his presidential candidacy through huge 'troll armies' and targeted social media messaging, someone who may have felt wronged by the US government for the last few years, someone who may have sent lawyers and such to have meetings with Trump's team over how to 'right' this 'wrong'.














Nah, can't think of anyone.

Itssoeasy

https://twitter.com/SenBobCorker/status/917045348820049920

Well Trump had his usual mature response to someone who didn't think he was perfect and the Senator in question hit back.

Inquitus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SenBobCorker/status/917045348820049920

Well Trump had his usual mature response to someone who didn't think he was perfect and the Senator in question hit back.

Pretty sick burn from Bob Corker lol!

frag420

Go to bed Ivanka, you're drunk!!

FelchWivMe wrote: »

leave him alone. bullying him on an internet forum, you saddos

PropJoe10

david75 wrote: »

I'm 100% on board with him just completely taking the p!ss at this stage. He's actually a plant trying to bring down the GOP from the top. He has to be.
https://twitter.com/beardedgenius/status/917035672241954816

I don't think he's clever enough to be able to devise a plan like that, to be honest.

JRant

This is one of the best pieces I've read on the Russian fiasco that has engulfed the US:

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-is-more-fiction-than-fact/

More fiction than fact sums it up perfectly IMO. Also the very last sentence pretty much nailed the Donald, he got elected on a con and it is that con which will trip him up.

Owdetojoy

rossie1977 wrote: »

One thing that has kind of gone under the radar a bit is the frustration of Republican donors towards what they see as lack of movement as regards their agendas (elimination of aca, taxation, infrastructure leading to massive tax breaks etc). July saw Republicans only generate half the campaign dollars they amassed in June

President Trump is not really supportive of the GOP, he is for the ordinary decent citizen and is draining the swamp of Washington. He has already done great things for America in less than a year in office. What you see is what you get, makes a great change from established politics.

Owdetojoy

backspin. wrote: »

Trump is getting a great reception at the Presidents Cup golf in New York. Loads of cheers, all the players queuing to shake his hand. No booing. Maybe he isn't as unpopular among ordinary people after all. You'd be forgiven for thinking he was universally despised in America by the media. We don't really get many chances to gauge what people really think of him. This was one.

He is very popular in America, Britain and in Ireland. The media try to paint a fake news picture of him. He is a great persuader, negotiator and very intelligent.