Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

eire4

Itssoeasy wrote: »

10 days. That's an administration record that will stand. I wonder did general john Kelly put the boot down and demand he go. Or maybe mooch knew he couldn't bully the general like he did others.

Actually officially his first day was July 26th so officially he only lasted 5 days!

Hande hoche!

Kelly cracking the whip.

Beechwoodspark

Does this mean spicy will stay on after all??

Sonics2k

Guardian Article on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/31/anthony-scaramucci-removed-white-house-communications-trump?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Hangouts

Headshot

everlast75 wrote: »

The mooch is gone!!!!!

The WH is pure nuts lol

Like a soap opera

tis mad

Stheno

Headshot wrote: »

The WH is pure nuts lol

Like a soap opera

tis mad

Its better than any soap opera

Itssoeasy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Does this mean spicy will stay on after all??

He resigned though didn't he ?

Headshot

Stheno wrote: »

Its better than any soap opera

You know you right

I come home from work and the first thing I turn on is CNN and I just expect madness to entertain me

Billy86

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, you jinxed it:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891998881009061888

No chaos here folks, none at all!

But hey, a one week job is well worth getting divorced and missing your child's birth over. Good riddance to proper scum, delighted at the punch line he has made himself in just two weeks that will last for so, so much longer.

everlast75

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For Forks Sake

What an absolute circus.

PopePalpatine

recedite wrote: »

A man can only have one master. All hail The Donald.

Need some sauce with those words?

Itssoeasy

A medal of honour ceremony live at the White House. Donald for god sake treat this with the respect it deserves.

Billy86

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A medal of honour ceremony live at the White House. Donald for god sake treat this with the respect it deserves.

"You know, Hillary gave medals to Muslims and illegals who Obama paid to vote!"

In 3... 2... 1...

Itssoeasy

Donald just said "our comrades" wrong speech Donald.

For Forks Sake

everlast75 wrote: »

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Similar.

Itssoeasy

Yeah Donald this gentleman was drafted and clearly served with distinction unlike yourself.

Pelvis

I actually can't listen to Trump. If he's talking for more than 10-15 seconds I'm physically compelled to turn him off.

Hande hoche!

I am impressed by Steve Bannon's longevity.

Beechwoodspark

Hande hoche! wrote: »

I am impressed by Steve Bannon's longevity.

He seems to be the trump whisperer at the moment.

Beechwoodspark

Pelvis wrote: »

I actually can't listen to Trump. If he's talking for more than 10-15 seconds I'm physically compelled to turn him off.

Listening to trump pay tribute to this gentleman, while knowing that trump himself did everything he could to weasel out of military service.

Cognitive dissonance right there...

Itssoeasy

Trump seems to be staying on message so far. I'm waiting for him to make an utter mess of this speech.

Itssoeasy

He's not making a balls of this speech. I mean the way he talks is painful. But st least he's sticking to whether script he's been given.

Inquitus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

He's not making a balls of this speech. I mean the way he talks is painful. But st least he's sticking to whether script he's been given.

His Public speaking is awful in the context of a president, but aye he's sticking to the script and not talking bollox about his election victory which is usually par for the course.

Itssoeasy

Trump didn't make a balls of that. It makes a change.

Itssoeasy

Inquitus wrote: »

His Public speaking is awful in the context of a president, but aye he's sticking to the script and not talking bollox about his election victory which is usually pars for the course.

I'm shocked to be honest.

Itssoeasy

I'm actually shocked that trump didn't sully the medal of honour ceremony. I'm shocked.

Itssoeasy

CNN are reporting that Anthony scaramucci was escorted off the White House grounds. Jesus.

For Forks Sake

Itssoeasy wrote: »

CNN are reporting that Anthony scaramucci was escorted off the White House grounds. Jesus.

Nothing to see here, there is no chaos in the White House.

Stheno

Press briefing due shortly!

Oafley Jones

Kelly gives me the fear, and perhaps more importantly Trump. The guy exudes competence and control; lets face it you don't run Guantanamo without being a "capable" personality. I just feel that someone like Kelly could turn out to be the real power, taking hints of direction and executing policy in total. He seems like the type that Trump will kowtow to.

aloyisious

The Don Trump White House Year/s - Tony awards for best off-Broadway show 2017, script-written personally for his fellow NYC residents.

Inquitus

Oafley Jones wrote: »

He seems like the type that Trump will kowtow to.

Trump won't Kowtow to anyone, wait until the Kelly is the hand behind the king press stories kick off, and Trump's narcissism goes back into overdrive.

mzungu

To be fair, Trump did say he was going to create lots of jobs. He just neglected to mention it would be the same job. :pac::pac:

Beechwoodspark

Inquitus wrote: »

Trump won't Kowtow to anyone, wait until the Kelly is the hand behind the king press stories kick off, and Trump's narcissism goes back into overdrive.

Trump will get tired of Kelly sooner or later and then he'll be going bye bye too. Why would anyone want to work for such a devious egomaniac

Billy86

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Kelly gives me the fear, and perhaps more importantly Trump. The guy exudes competence and control; lets face it you don't run Guantanamo without being a "capable" personality. I just feel that someone like Kelly could turn out to be the real power, taking hints of direction and executing policy in total. He seems like the type that Trump will kowtow to.

As soon as he starts getting more attention than Trump for a few straight weeks, he'll be gone. This is how it goes with an amazingly insecure narcissistic egomaniac in charge.

Leroy42

Everyday I tell myself that I am wasting too much time on this thread. Time to take a break.

Sure what are you going to miss? All the crazy is done at this stage.

Leave work, happy to get my life back. There is the neglected garden, the painting of the upstairs guest room, maybe a nice dinner with the wife. Oh, the kids, they are probably somewhere around where I left them last.

And then bang, another clusterfuuK from the WH of chaos.

Oafley Jones

Inquitus wrote: »

Trump won't Kowtow to anyone, wait until the Kelly is the hand behind the king press stories kick off, and Trump's narcissism goes back into overdrive.

Oh I don't think he'll last full term. I agree Trump's jealous will be his undoing, but I've this sneaking suspicion that a man like Kelly could get actually something done.

Trump is a basket case of a man, but he's predominantly insecure, narcissistic and most of all a coward. Kelly is also strike me as the type that Trump idolises, someone whom he wishes he were. A proper alpha dog. Trump will give Kelly a general direction, Kelly will execute and Trump mind will take credit for everything. I'm also sure Trump will try and be his usual self, but in the short term Kelly's 'I'll skull **** you" eyes may control these excesses.

aloyisious

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Trump will get tired of Kelly sooner or later and then he'll be going bye bye too. Why would anyone would want to work for such a devious egomaniac

That might just be the back-breaker for Don. He has McMaster and Kelly [former generals] making his machine run despite his best efforts, he has X amount of serving general staff rank officers running his military, days after his Mil COS issued a statement diverging from Don's tweet about transgender personnel in the military being a NO NO. If he dumps Kelly, he just might have no one else to turn to to fill the latest vacancy.

Tune into the news briefing. The Admin has signed a trade deal with the Ukraine Govt. The Mooch departure on now, Don didn't like his comments about former W/H COS.

Billy86

aloyisious wrote: »

That might just be the back-breaker for Don. He has McMaster and Kelly [former generals] making his machine run despite his best efforts, he has X amount of serving general staff rank officers running his military, days after his Mil COS issued a statement diverging from Don's tweet about transgender personnel in the military being a NO NO. If he dumps Kelly, he just might have no one else to turn to to fill the latest vacancy.

As best I know military officers do not have the option to turn down appointments so he might just try to conveyor belt his way through them... after a few goes too many, I can see that ending very badly.

Tune into the news briefing. The Admin has signed a trade deal with the Ukraine Govt. The Mooch departure on now, Don didn't like his comments about former W/H COS.

What, he felt they were too rude or disrespectful? :pac:

A friend of Scaramucci the last few days has been trying to rub the salt in on Priebus and accusing him of having an affair and so on... can't stand Priebus but I hope he gets the guys number and calls him with nothing but incessant cackling all week long.

ECO_Mental

Got to say we are living history here, Nixon isn't a patch on this incompetent fool. 20-30 years time we will be saying to our grandkids do you remember when they had Donald Trump as President. I can't wait for the movies, documentaries we are going to get years or entertainment. Because they are going to court cases going on for years also

Harry Palmr

Nixon seems like paragon of virtue.

MadYaker

Hardly surprising considering his carry on. It was stupid to appoint someone who is obviously a loose cannon to such a position. He's had an interesting week. Got fired, missed the birth of his child and his wife filed for divorce, mad stuff.

Gbear

Leroy42 wrote: »

And then bang, another clusterfuuK from the WH of chaos.

The Lord of Change is certainly being kept busy.

aloyisious

An incidental to the Mooch storyline, CNN reporting that Don has said "I was only joking" when he said it was OK for Cops to rough up people.

Oh, CNN reporting story that Kelly called Comey after Don fired him to express his sympathy for the way he was treated.

Professor Moriarty

It occurs to me that Bannon encapsulates and represents much that Kelly would despise. Interesting times ahead.

Leroy42

Yet again, with Kelly, Trump is hiring a person for a senior position with no experience of that position or of working with the people that he will need to work with.

COS is No.2 (I think). Of course VP is technically No.2 but is largely without any real power. COS is supposed to be the gatekeeper to the POTUS and the person who drives the agenda.

As such, they need to have experience of working with various factions and keeping them all pointing in the same direction, or at least looking that way.

Generals are obviously very accomplished people, but they come from a very structured organisational structure, with pretty much total power over the people reporting to them. COS has no such defined power over the House or Senate?

So why does Trump continue to place these totally inexperienced people in such important positions? Kushner, Spicer, Priebus (although he at least had some political experience), DeVos, Scaramucci, Tillerson. That is not to say they are not maybe brilliant people in their own right, they may well be, but none of them have any experience.

With control of the House and Senate they maybe could have got away with it, but it is clear now that neither the House or more importantly the Senate either fear or like Trump. So now he needs them and he simply does not have the tools to help get them on his side.

The fact that he hired Scaramucci in the 1st place was a sign of a man in total chaos. The fact that he fired him so quickly now simply paints him as incompetent. (I know many will say that was obvious, but with each passing day he only serves to highlight it).

Now Kelly may prove to be the key to getting this box of frogs to at least keep the lid on, but I can't see it. As others have pointed out, with this firing of Mooch, it is clear that Kelly called the shots on that. So is Trump going to be happy to cede control? Because one of the other key aspects of the COS job is to tell POTUS stuff he doesn't want to hear and to say no.

derb12

Ha! The mooch got whacked!! Delighted to see that smug git getting his comeuppance! And a nice illustration of trumps great judgment!! How I recall ivanka's dulcet tones going on about how her father's key skill is being able to surround himself with the best people! Hilarious.
So Kelly must be going to get to actually hold the reins in the White House. I don't think he will take any of the spotlight at all - it'll be like old times when most people would be hard pressed to name the current chief of staff. The only time he'll be in the news will be when people are wondering how he will react to the latest stupid thing trump says. So my prediction is that Kelly will resign in a few months and shortly after that we'll be talking about the #last100days !!

JRant

It's a good move in fairness. He is slowly putting good solid people around him that may actually help get some sort of a job done.

He was sold a pup by the GOP with the repeal and replace health care bill. The GOP had 7 years to put together a proper bill and couldn't even do that right. It shows how disfunctional they really are.

Leroy42

JRant wrote: »

It's a good move in fairness. He is slowly putting good solid people around him that may actually help get some sort of a job done.

He was sold a pup by the GOP with the repeal and replace health care bill. The GOP had 7 years to put together a proper bill and couldn't even do that right. It shows how disfunctional they really are.

That is an interesting take on it.

You do recall that he said that he would repeal and replace. Have it done on the same day apparently. Cheaper, better, keep your doctor.

You either think he was lying when he said all of that as he didn't know and was just making it up, or that he was shown the details by the GOP and they somehow mislaid the plans or something.

It can only be taken as a good move if you acknowledge that the last 6 months have been a disaster and that this is the start of getting things on track. That might be true, but again, it was Trump that selected all this people in the first place. He could have picked anyone but this was his best judgement. No leader goes onto to the field with a second string team in the 1st quarter. You go out to get a good start. Unless he thinks that the NE Patriots actually planned the last Superbowl to go that way!

Trump has lost any credibility he had going in. He might be able to build it back up, but it will take time and effort and require him to work with others. None of those has he shown any ability to deliver on to date.