Confederations Cup 2017 - Starts Saturday 17th June

Harry Palmr

Maybe it's time to bin referees on the pitch and officiate from the stands with monitors!

Lackey

callaway92 wrote: »

VAR was good there. It was the ref that was bad

If refs aren't going to use it properly its pointless

irishman86

citytillidie wrote: »

Rugby is mostly played in English speaking countries, would you have understood the ref if they were talking in Slovak?

I understand what your saying, more there is no idea into the thinking of the decision which at least the Rugby refs have. Are the four refs Slovak??

Lackey

Chili piling on the pressure

ERG89

Chile can't say they didn't have enough chances anyway.

Turtyturd

Germans need a change.

Can on to give them something in midfield.

dfx-

irishman86 wrote: »

Video refs are rubbish in soccer so far, rugby you can at least hear them speaking. In soccer they stop the flow

what use would have hearing them speak there have been? It seems to come to a surprise to so many that it stops the flow...

And again...

Agent Coulson

They can fcuk off if this is what VAR is.

Lackey

what is this for?

Silly for Chili to call for VAR its breaking up their run

irishman86

Ive said it before, but for me the only way a tv ref works in soccer is with a challenge system. It ruins the flow of the game

citytillidie

irishman86 wrote: »

I understand what your saying, more there is no idea into the thinking of the decision which at least the Rugby refs have. Are the four refs Slovak??

my bad ref and linesmen are from from Serbia 4th official is from Slovenia, 3 video refs, one from France, Portugal and Slovenia.

dfx-

Other than being high energy and not being a possession side, I don't get the hype around this Chile team.

They were frantic and out of control all game, they've been awful second half and Vidal spent most of the game appealing to the ref. They've lost their heads.

SlickRic

Are all Chileans this angry?

Lackey

irishman86 wrote: »

Ive said it before, but for me the only way a tv ref works in soccer is with a challenge system. It ruins the flow of the game

Yes I'm not against the idea, there's plenty of evidence to show its needed, but this is ruining the flow of the game.

Turtyturd

Chile remind me of Atletico...great bunch when things are going their way, cynical cheating whingers when it's not.

caviardreams

How have Chile not scored?? Just not clinical enough.

Royale with Cheese

There are probably some instances where you could let the video ref overrule the on field referee, where they have completely missed something blatant like an off the ball red card incident.

Having the on field ref running over to look at replays should never happen and it's almost like they want it to fail the way they're going about it. A challenge system might be the best way forward as it would force the ref to review situations, they don't seem to want to believe they're capable of getting something wrong here.

irishman86

citytillidie wrote: »

my bad ref and linesmen are from from Serbia 4th official is from Slovenia, 3 video refs, one from France, Portugal and Slovenia.

Im guessing there is a good chance they were speaking english. Like France have rugby refs and they speak english when they have to

Agent Coulson

Use the VAR to sent off at least 3 Chille players there.

ERG89

Turtyturd wrote:

great bunch when things are going their way, cynical cheating whingers when it's not.

You could describe 99% of football teams that way.

irishman86

Sanchez Im so much better than ye face coming up and demanding a transfer to Argentina

dfx-

the 'giving them a challenge' idea ends up with the Chile penalty claim thing. A nonsense delay for a nothing event, it doesn't speed up that either.

I wouldn't trust a single Chile player's decision making at this point. They'd be level if they just calmed down.

Harry Palmr

ERG89 wrote: »

You could describe 99% of football teams that way.

If there was a fairplay league for international sides Chile would be near the top every year.

Lackey

Ref will run out of players to give yellows to soon....may start carding the audience

Harry Palmr

Germany win 1-0

Just as an aside Julian Brandt has been criminally underused for my money.

Headshot

so where was the extra 30 second for a sub during injury time?

Turtyturd

Disrespectful of Germany to send that team...even more disrespectful of them to win it.

citytillidie

irishman86 wrote: »

Im guessing there is a good chance they were speaking english. Like France have rugby refs and they speak english when they have to

Or being from Eastern Europe they may be able to communicate in either Serb or Slovenian, or there could be an interpreter we will not know unless it is confirmed.

irishman86

irishman86 wrote: »

Video refs are rubbish in soccer so far, rugby you can at least hear them speaking. In soccer they stop the flow

I said it at the start of the tournament half joking but now I honestly think they're purposely making it completely ****.

irishman86

dfx- wrote: »

the 'giving them a challenge' idea ends up with the Chile penalty claim thing. A nonsense delay for a nothing event, it doesn't speed up that either.

I wouldn't trust a single Chile player's decision making at this point. They'd be level if they just calmed down.

If they had one/two challenges a game it would

irishman86

citytillidie wrote: »

Or being from Eastern Europe they may be able to communicate in either Serb or Slovenian, or there could be an interpreter we will not know unless it is confirmed.

Thats a difficult way to communicate with the touch judge. Its more likely since English is the universal language its possibly a mandate to be capable of speaking it

Agent Coulson

Great to see the Real Ronaldo there.

caviardreams

irishman86 wrote: »

If they had one/two challenges a game it would

Agreed, I think that's one of the few ways it's workable. If teams only have 1 or 2 challenges they won't waste them on half-hearted penalty appeals or for a dive etc.

dfx-

irishman86 wrote: »

If they had one/two challenges a game it would

if they get them right, you could have constant interruptions.

You could also sacrifice them to break up a period of pressure, especially in injurytime.

The Talking Bread

Rekop dog wrote: »

Bit disrespectful of the world champions to send a weakened squad to this imo. Also points at a lack of hunger that may hinder them in next world cup.

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Well. eh, yeah.......................!

citytillidie

irishman86 wrote: »

Thats a difficult way to communicate with the touch judge. Its more likely since English is the universal language its possibly a mandate to be capable of speaking it

Football is more global than Rugby, do you really expect every ref to speak English just so viewers in the UK and Ireland can understand what the VAR is saying.

irishman86

dfx- wrote: »

if they get them right, you could have constant interruptions.

You could also sacrifice them to break up a period of pressure, especially in injurytime.

If they kept getting them right, there is no problem as well there right. Like it cant be for everything, they would have to select certain things. Penalty calls, when one of there players is carded, goals.
For example the call with the ref yesterday with the card, you could see in normal time what happened but he went up stairs then still ****ed up. That cant be allowed to happen

irishman86

citytillidie wrote: »

Football is more global than Rugby, do you really expect every ref to speak English just so viewers in the UK and Ireland can understand what the VAR is saying.

No off course not, but why do the Argentine/French/Italian refs do so in rugby. English is the spoken language of the world, everywhere you go either first/second language is english, Im french were bordered by countless countries but the second language most of us speak is English (excluding the african emigrants for obvious reasons).
Like I said regardless of the VAR, Id presume refs communicate in English with each other as a translator just wouldnt be practice

ArmaniJeanss

All FIFA and UEFA refs do generally speak English, its a requirement to get the gig in the finals afaik.

But I'm still not gone on copying rugby and having the VAR discussion broadcast, it really seems just a sop to a complaining anglo TV audience. Quite what use it would be to a 50K crowd in a Chile v SKorea group match in Moscow is hard to see.

ArmaniJeanss

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

All FIFA and UEFA refs do generally speak English, its a requirement to get the gig in the finals afaik.

But I'm still not gone on copying rugby and having the VAR discussion broadcast, it really seems just a sop to a complaining anglo TV audience. Quite what use it would be to a 50K crowd in a Chile v SKorea group match in Moscow is hard to see.

It's about transparency.

MagicIRL

The only reason VAR works so well in rugby is because the referee is respected on the field.

Until football treats the referee and officials with the respect they deserve then any VAR decision is going to cause uproar.

That's just my opinion on it from what I've briefly read online about the matter.

ArmaniJeanss

Deleted User wrote: »

It's about transparency.

Its no less transparent than when the ref currently goes over to discuss an issue with the linesman, 4th official, or captains etc. We never hear an ongoing commentary in these situations and there hasn't been much demand for it that I'm aware of.

Corholio

The problem with this system is you have no idea what is going on between the ref and these video judges. You don't know if he's waiting for them to tell him, if he can hear them at all, if they are viewing the incident etc. All we see is the ref with his hand to his ear waiting on 'something'. It's clear there has been some sort of communication breakdown because the ref should never have to go over and view the incident if everything is working fine.