General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Gbear

Liverpool

Izquierdo seems a bit on the greedy side.

He's making a lot of good things happen when he makes that run into the box but if you're making the defence dissolve like that then you really need to be able to tee someone up.
If you're going to take the shot on, you can't miss that badly.

adox

That’s a red imo. Not even given as a foul.

Ref looks timid and intimated by the players. Some very soft cards previously.

Arsenal should be down to 9 really.

murpho999

Liverpool

Esse85 wrote: »

How the hell was that not at least a yellow card, shocking from the ref.

Because nothing malicious actually happened.

Mushy

tayto lover wrote: »

astradave wrote: »

That challenge gets worse every time I see it.. totally reckless and dangerous. Straight red

Would you get a life. Nothing in that.

Ah yeah a full force shoulder to the face, "nothing in that". A very much deserved yellow, reckless at a minimum.

tayto lover

adox wrote: »

That’s a red imo. Not even given as a foul.

Ref looks timid and intimated by the players. Some very soft cards previously.

Arsenal should be down to 9 really.

:pac:

ctrl-alt-delete

When you consider what Stephens was issued a yellow for the Ref should at least try and be consistent.

tayto lover

Mushy wrote: »

Ah yeah a full force shoulder to the face, "nothing in that". A very much deserved yellow, reckless at a minimum.

Rubbish. He went for the ball. It's a man's game.

adox

murpho999 wrote: »

Am I alone here in thinking the ref was right there.

Collision was accidental and Schelotto came out of it the worst.

Not every incident in the sport is a foul or warrants a card.

Do people want football to turn into basketball?

Of course not and you are being a bit condescending saying not very incident is a foul. No one is saying that.

On the replay it looks like he sees the player and puts the shoulder o into his head. A foul imo and thought it was a red, or a yellow on a very good day.

adox

tayto lover wrote: »

:pac:

Smiley face all you want.

Trigger

Liverpool

tayto lover wrote: »

Would you get a life. Nothing in that.

I have a life thanks very much. Now to do with the challenge. He look took his eyes of the ball, led with his shoulder into a players head..

Care to explain how there is nothing in that?

Mushy

tayto lover wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Ah yeah a full force shoulder to the face, "nothing in that". A very much deserved yellow, reckless at a minimum.

Rubbish. He went for the ball. It's a man's game.

He didn't get the ball though. If going in with that force you need to make sure you get it right, which he didn't.

As I said, reckless moreso than malicious, so deserving of a yellow.

adox

adox wrote: »

That’s a red imo. Not even given as a foul.

Ref looks timid and intimated by the players. Some very soft cards previously.

Arsenal should be down to 9 really.

:rolleyes:

Talk about an exaggeration.

tayto lover

astradave wrote: »

I have a life thanks very much. Now to do with the challenge. He look took his eyes of the ball, led with his shoulder into a players head..

Care to explain how there is nothing in that?

The ref got it spot on for a change.
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Minderbinder

tayto lover wrote: »

Mushy wrote: »

Ah yeah a full force shoulder to the face, "nothing in that". A very much deserved yellow, reckless at a minimum.

Rubbish. He went for the ball. It's a man's game.

He went for the ball with his shoulder?

adox

RoboKlopp wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Talk about an exaggeration.

Stellar.

tayto lover

Minderbinder wrote: »

He went for the ball with his shoulder?

Ref correct.

adox

adox wrote: »

Stellar.

I presume you've changed your mind then when the replays were shown :cool:

adox

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I presume you've changed your mind then when the replays were shown :cool:

Not at all.

Esse85

murpho999 wrote: »

Because nothing malicious actually happened.

Reckless and dangerous play.

So much so that the Brighton player couldn't continue.
Not every foul needs to be malicious to warrant a yellow/red card.

murpho999

Liverpool

adox wrote: »

Of course not and you are being a bit condescending saying not very incident is a foul. No one is saying that.

On the replay it looks like he sees the player and puts the shoulder o into his head. A foul imo and thought it was a red, or a yellow on a very good day.

I'm not being condescending at all. Just look at match threads, every time there's a foul, people are screaming for a card and people don't seem to realise that the free kick is the appropriate punishment.

https://twitter.com/Argsenal/status/970313432443641856


There's the incident. Accidental collision in my opinion.

Minderbinder

tayto lover wrote: »

Minderbinder wrote: »

He went for the ball with his shoulder?

Ref correct.

You’re embarrassing yourself.

adox

adox wrote: »

Not at all.

Thankfully the ref has some sense.

No way it was a red.

Trigger

Liverpool

tayto lover wrote: »

The ref got it spot on for a change.
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So you can’t explain how there is nothing in it?

I don’t care where the netball forum is but thanks again for pointing that out.

The “it’s a mans game” excuse does not take away from the fact that he could have left a player with a very serious head injury by leading with the shoulder.. the replay shows he looks at where the man is.. it’s reckless and a dangerous challenge and by the rules that’s a red card. You would be lucky to get a yellow for that on most days

adox

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm not being condescending at all. Just look at match threads, every time there's a foul, people are screaming for a card and people don't seem to realise that the free kick is the appropriate punishment.

https://twitter.com/Argsenal/status/970313432443641856


There's the incident. Accidental collision in my opinion.

Ok well I take it back then and fair enough if you are talk8mg about match threads in general.

From the replay I saw it looked a definite foul and a red.


Opinions eh..

pudzey101

Man Utd

jeez if ye think that was a red id say half of ye sh!t yerselfs if ye watched a game a rugby haha

murpho999

Liverpool

Esse85 wrote: »

Reckless and dangerous play.

So much so that the Brighton player couldn't continue.
Not every foul needs to be malicious to warrant a yellow/red card.

So to follow your logic, every accidental injury is due to reckless play?

You do realise you accept some risks when you play a contact sport?

tayto lover

Esse85 wrote: »

Reckless and dangerous play.

So much so that the Brighton player couldn't continue.
Not every foul needs to be malicious to warrant a yellow/red card.

But it wasn't. It was a clash of two players at close quarters.
The weaker man was injured.

adox

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Thankfully the ref has some sense.

No way it was a red.

Continue with the passive aggressive. I think it was a red.

Gbear

Liverpool

He doesn't just run into him. It's not a simple collision.
He leaps off his right foot when there's no cause to and he did it intentionally.

You could argue he's protecting himself but he's doing so by making sure he goes shoulder first into another player in total disregard for his safety.

I wasn't sure at all in real time or with the benefit of a few replays but the more I see it the more nailed on a red it is.

Mushy

RoboKlopp wrote: »

adox wrote: »

Not at all.

Thankfully the ref has some sense.

No way it was a red.

It was a yellow. It would have just happened to have been his second.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm not being condescending at all. Just look at match threads, every time there's a foul, people are screaming for a card and people don't seem to realise that the free kick is the appropriate punishment.

https://twitter.com/Argsenal/status/970313432443641856


There's the incident. Accidental collision in my opinion.

That's a red. He's thrown himself into the Brighton lad.

adox

adox wrote: »

Continue with the passive aggressive. I think it was a red.

Not at all. You are wrong and are being called out on it. Nothing wrong with that. Not just by me by the way.

If it's a red as you say, he'll be punished after the game.

Minderbinder

I don’t think I’ve seen a more one sided refereeing performance in terms of how he’s dealing with fouls. Brighton are far too nice.

0byme75341jo28

Imagine swapping Dortmund and probably Champions League football next season for this crap....

murpho999

Liverpool

adox wrote: »

Ok well I take it back then and fair enough if you are talk8mg about match threads in general.

From the replay I saw it looked a definite foul and a red.


Opinions eh..

Yes but also if people were to continue with the screaming for cards then there would be no tackling in the game whatsoever.

Still think the ref got the decision absolutely right. Players didn't object too much to the decision and TV commentary not making a big deal out of it.
Just something that can happen in the game and sometimes people get injured.

Trigger

Liverpool

TitianGerm wrote: »

That's a red. He's thrown himself into the Brighton lad.

That angle really doesn’t show the extent of it.. here it is from the angles on the opposite side, the second one you can see him watching where The Brighton lad is..

https://streamja.com/5y2

Decker Alive Sunfish

Decker Alive Sunfish wrote: »

Imagine swapping Dortmund and probably Champions League football next season for this crap....

Dortmund are only 1 point from 5th atm, so they might be in the same comp as Arsenal next season yet.

Trigger

Liverpool

pudzey101 wrote: »

jeez if ye think that was a red id say half of ye sh!t yerselfs if ye watched a game a rugby haha

Leading with the shoulder in rugby is also a red card offence, or a yellow at the very minimum

tayto lover

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don’t think I’ve seen a more one sided refereeing performance in terms of how he’s dealing with fouls. Brighton are far too nice.

Embarrassing yourself.

adox

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Not at all. You are wrong and are being called out on it. Nothing wrong with that. Not just by me by the way.

If it's a red as you say, he'll be punished after the game.

Ah Jaysus I’m being called out on it? There’s as many agree with me as disagree.

I think you are wrong and have explained why I thought it was a red.

pudzey101

Man Utd

astradave wrote: »

Leading with the shoulder in rugby is also a red card offence, or a yellow at the very minimum

okay kolasinac to get a 40 game ban and 90 million fine so

Berserker

If Brighton had any pace up front they would have managed to get a third.

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don’t think I’ve seen a more one sided refereeing performance in terms of how he’s dealing with fouls. Brighton are far too nice.

Fairly common when you have big teams against smaller ones but it has been very obvious today.

astradave wrote: »

Leading with the shoulder in rugby is also a red card offence, or a yellow at the very minimum

This isn't rugby.

blueser

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes but also if people were to continue with the screaming for cards then there would be no tackling in the game whatsoever.

What; like Wilshere last sunday?

adox

adox wrote: »

Ah Jaysus I’m being called out on it? There’s as many agree with me as disagree.

I think you are wrong and have explained why I thought it was a red.

We'll agree to disagree

sonic85

Normally a collision like that would result in a clash of heads because both men would be equally going for the ball. Kolasinac made little or no attempt to win that ball and instead turned his body slightly and led with his shoulder. He knew what he was at. Deserved a yellow

Trigger

Liverpool

Berserker wrote: »

If Brighton had any pace up front they would have managed to get a third.



Fairly common when you have big teams against smaller ones but it has been very obvious today.



This isn't rugby.

Maybe have a look at the post I was replying to? I never said it was rugby

tayto lover

Brighton defending well. Don't think we;ll score.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

pudzey101 wrote: »

okay kolasinac to get a 40 game ban and 90 million fine so

If one of the Brighton players did that to Ozil you'd be calling for him to be sent off.

murpho999

Liverpool

blueser wrote: »

What; like Wilshere last sunday?

As in Wilshere didn't tackle anyone?

Berserker

This could be a massive three points for Brighton. Could be the difference between relegation and survival at the end of the season. Would put them on 34 points. Would still need another win or two but I think they'll get them. Thought Arsenal would turn this around with the way they started this half, if i'm honest. That collision broke the flow of the game.