General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Make it so..David.

Berserker

Is that the first time all three promoted teams have stayed up in the PL era?

sabat

There's a real chance of Chelsea drifting back into the 'best of the rest' zone of 8th to 5th place over the next couple of seasons. I can't see the star names putting up with this instability much longer and they don't have that superiority in financial firepower.

Skylinehead

Berserker wrote: »

Is that the first time all three promoted teams have stayed up in the PL era?

Third time - 01/02 and 11/12.

super_furry

Liverpool

David Wagner is easily the manager of the season. Look at that squad he has and it's mid to lower level Championship standard.

Garzorico

Liverpool

sabat wrote: »

There's a real chance of Chelsea drifting back into the 'best of the rest' zone of 8th to 5th place over the next couple of seasons. I can't see the star names putting up with this instability much longer and they don't have that superiority in financial firepower.

5th in 2012, 10th in 2016, more than likely 5th 2018. In between those seasons 1st twice - I’ll take that.

Deise Vu

Garzorico wrote: »

5th in 2012, 10th in 2016, more than likely 5th 2018. In between those seasons 1st twice - I’ll take that.

I wouldn’t be holding my breath thinking the pattern is going to repeat itself. Vladivostok on a Thursday night tends to be a bit of a drain. They bottled it tonight and will pay big time next season.

Garzorico

Liverpool

Deise Vu wrote: »

I wouldn’t be holding my breath thinking the pattern is going to repeat itself. Vladivostok on a Thursday night tends to be a bit of a drain. They bottled it tonight and will pay big time next season.

Ah sure many a team has won the league while playing European matches. Short termism wins leagues everywhere all the time. It’s no big deal.

blueser

TitianGerm wrote: »

Were they not favourite before tonight

My mistake. You are correct. The GD would still swing it In Liverpool's favour, as I can see both of them winning their final games.

ERG89

Deise Vu wrote:

They bottled it tonight and will pay big time next season.

(a)It was not in their hands to "bottle it" & (b)They'll play reserve sides in it next season like Arsenal did for most of it so it won't take much out of them.

Harry Palmr

Remarkable away record by Arsenal.

Deise Vu

ERG89 wrote: »

(a)It was not in their hands to "bottle it" & (b)They'll play reserve sides in it next season like Arsenal did for most of it so it won't take much out of them.

Starting 15 minutes earlier they had a chance to really put pressure on Spurs. They could also have made Liverpool play for a win on Sunday. They were playing a team potentially facing relegation but who still had a couple of escape routes. That was definitely a bottle job.

The problem with the EL isn’t so much that you play your first team. There will be huge changes from the weekend matches but they they will still have to have a few senior players plus reserves on the bench to avoid embarrassment. Then the entire management team has to attend. That’s potentially two or three days of the week when managemt and half the first team are flying to and from Vladivostok. That’s a long way from having a week to prepare for your next league match.

sabat

Garzorico wrote: »

5th in 2012, 10th in 2016, more than likely 5th 2018. In between those seasons 1st twice - I’ll take that.

The overall quality of the squad has been eroded and the core of the the golden Abramovich years is now totally gone though-take out Hazard, Courtois and Kante (not unthinkable this summer) and there's a real lack of quality in depth. Without Champions league, erratic management and the same money or better available elsewhere, they're no longer as attractive a proposition as they were even 2 years ago.

Loafing Oaf

Wenger going out in true Wenger style, moaning about refs...:rolleyes:

Quazzie

Man Utd

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Wenger going out in true Wenger style, moaning about refs...:rolleyes:

In fairness both the sending off and the penalty were harsh calls

greenspurs

Isnt Karma great ?
Poor Chelsea bottle their Champions league opportunity against a relegation threatened side.
Fair play to them for "Putting Pressure" on the top team in London though , maybe they need to change the manager and spend a load of oil money ? ....

COYS.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

greenspurs wrote: »

Isnt Karma great ?
Poor Chelsea bottle their Champions league opportunity against a relegation threatened side.
Fair play to them for "Putting Pressure" on the top team in London though , maybe they need to change the manager and spend a load of oil money ? ....

COYS.

:pac:

Brilliant

Trigger

Liverpool

GavRedKing wrote: »

:pac:

Brilliant

:pac: I wonder when the Parade will be

greenspurs

GavRedKing wrote: »

:pac:

Brilliant

Check the League table if you don't believe it .....

greenspurs

astradave wrote: »

:pac: I wonder when the Parade will be

the same day as the DVD release ........

#Chokers

Trigger

Liverpool

greenspurs wrote: »

the same day as the DVD release ........

#Chokers

Says the Spurs fan

Quazzie

Man Utd

greenspurs wrote: »

#Chokers

greenspurs

astradave wrote: »

Says the Spurs fan

Yep...

Karma is great isn't it....... Bottlers.

greenspurs

Quazzie wrote: »

At least they were the second best team in London....... They could put that on their Season review DvD .....

GavRedKing

Liverpool

I'd consider trophies and success as metrics to decide the "top teams" in a region.

By that criteria, Spurs are by some way off being a top team, l;et alone the best in London.

I'd go out on a limb and say Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs all have the same chance of winning the CL next year too.

greenspurs

This season, my friend. Spurs are the top team in London. If you want to go back through history, as you are inclined to do , I reckon Spurs will still trump Chelsea.

And don't be silly, how can 2 teams not in it , win it !!! Ha haaaaa... Even allowing for the sarcasm, its neither funny or even witty. But i'll allow you some rope due to the disappointment of 'blowing it' , and 'bottling it' against a bottom 6 club.....
Spurs have a slim chance of winning the C.L , due to being in it, the other 2 aren't.

COYS

KingdomYid

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'd consider trophies and success as metrics to decide the "top teams" in a region.

By that criteria, Spurs are by some way off being a top team, l;et alone the best in London.

I'd go out on a limb and say Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs all have the same chance of winning the CL next year too.

Spurs are the top team in London this season, that is a fact. The table does not lie after 38 games.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Few seasons in the CL and Spurs acting like Billy big bo**ocks, what a time to be alive.

Trigger

Liverpool

greenspurs wrote: »

Yep...

Karma is great isn't it....... Bottlers.

I love how you probably think I’m a Chelsea fan :pac:

greenspurs

GavRedKing wrote: »

Few seasons in the CL and Spurs acting like Billy big bo**ocks, what a time to be alive.

Must hurt. :pac:

Little steps, not Big money.

KingdomYid

GavRedKing wrote: »

Few seasons in the CL and Spurs acting like Billy big bo**ocks, what a time to be alive.

No acting here buddy, Spurs will finish as the highest placed London. Whatever way you want to spin it that is a fact. Grow up ffs.

greenspurs

astradave wrote: »

I love how you probably think I’m a Chelsea fan :pac:

You love, how I PROBABLY think ?!??

You know how I probably think, maybe, .....

I don't probably think you are at all......
and I probably think that it was nice of you to reply

greenspurs

KingdomYid wrote: »

No acting here buddy, Spurs will finish as the highest placed London. Whatever way you want to spin it that is a fact. Grow up ffs.

You would have to accept that it really hurts for a regular Top4 club to finish in 5th, behind a small club such as Tottenham.
We remember how we were ridiculed for our Club to 'bottle it' .


Little steps, not Big money.. COYS

Trigger

Liverpool

greenspurs wrote: »

You love, how I PROBABLY think ?!??

You know how I probably think, maybe, .....

I don't probably think you are at all......
and I probably think that it was nice of you to reply

You know, I knew that was going to get called up on, but I could not have been bothered changing it

greenspurs

astradave wrote: »

You know, I knew that was going to get called up on, but I could not have been bothered changing it

I forgive you......

KingdomYid

greenspurs wrote: »

You would have to accept that it really hurts for a regular Top4 club to finish in 5th, behind a small club such as Tottenham.
We remember how we were ridiculed for our Club to 'bottle it' .


Little steps, not Big money.. COYS

It really does irritate them that is for sure.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

greenspurs wrote: »

Must hurt. :pac:

Little steps, not Big money.

Spurs need to start paying the wages of a CL club now.

The likes of Alli, Kane and Ericsson are all paid quite low compared to what they could earn elsewhere. Kane is reported to be on £100k while Lingard, a squad player at united is on £120k.

If City or United came in and offered to double any of their salaries you'd imagine they'd leave. And both would be able to afford Levy's asking price as well.

LuckyLloyd

Spurs are a mid sized club who have never won a game of consequence at the elite level in my lifetime. Seeming to be happy with 'Top team in London this year' says a lot. Chelsea fans know what it's like to win league titles as recently as last year. Know what it's like to be in the last and biggest game of the club season and win it as recently as 2012. They're a huge club, a big dog of the modern game. Spurs just don't compare. Though Spurs fans might have trouble understanding that, because they've never tasted real success unless they're of an elderly persuasion.

Sugarlumps

Yet another prick waving thread.

KingdomYid

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Spurs are a mid sized club who have never won a game of consequence at the elite level in my lifetime. Seeming to be happy with 'Top team in London this year' says a lot. Chelsea fans know what it's like to win league titles as recently as last year. Know what it's like to be in the last and biggest game of the club season and win it as recently as 2012. They're a huge club, a big dog of the modern game. Spurs just don't compare. Though Spurs fans might have trouble understanding that, because they've never tasted real success unless they're of an elderly persuasion.

Give any club billions and they could be a Chelsea, I am not arguing that. In my lifetime Spurs have been mostly rubbish so forgive me for being happy with the progress at the moment. Chelsea would not be a 'huge' club as you put it without the Russian money. For the record I was not celebrating wildly last night, as I looking to win a trophy this season and am kind of disappointed. But still making Champions league whilst being away from home all year is a great achievement, considering we also played quite poorly for spells throughout the year.

LuckyLloyd

KingdomYid wrote: »

Give any club billions and they could be a Chelsea, I am not arguing that. In my lifetime Spurs have been mostly rubbish so forgive me for being happy with the progress at the moment. Chelsea would not be a 'huge' club as you put it without the Russian money. For the record I was not celebrating wildly last night, as I looking to win a trophy this season and am kind of disappointed. But still making Champions league whilst being away from home all year is a great achievement, considering we also played quite poorly for spells throughout the year.

How Chelsea got there is irrelevant. They got there, won it all, stayed there and won some more. I massively envy them their success of the last 15 years and I have no doubt that they'll be back all guns blazing next year. It's grand to finish ahead of them but hardly zeitgeist shifting.

KingdomYid

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

How Chelsea got there is irrelevant. They got there, won it all, stayed there and won some more. I massively envy them their success of the last 15 years and I have no doubt that they'll be back all guns blazing next year. It's grand to finish ahead of them but hardly zeitgeist shifting.

To me it is totally relevant but I guess we will agree to differ on that one. I would not consider them a huge club like United or Liverpool.

greenspurs

You do understand how progression works ?
Tottenham don't have the Petro-millions of City and Chelsea, don't have the worldwide mega-fanbase that Utd and Pool have.
But , they are building, little by little . They are over achieving compared to the mega spending clubs, and the massive wages they award their players.
It is a work in progress.
3rd year in a row in the Champs league , and a new stadium next season.
And hopefully next season another step will be taken, by winning something.
Spurs fans are used to Hope, and disappointment in equal measure. We now have the future being mapped out. And it looks good.
Are we not allowed to enjoy ?
COYS

ShamoBuc

Thread gets busy when a couple of spurs fans, all of a sudden, start posting and celebrating being the' best team in London'.
I would say how the mighty have fallen, but as we all know, they were never that mighty.
Must turn on sky for the parade and buy the dvd.


Spurs now have their future mapped out..... yeah, because it's that easy.
Ye will have a nice new stadium though.
Maybe ye will win the nicest stadium award and have a parade around it....wont that be nice.

KingdomYid

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Thread gets busy when a couple of spurs fans, all of a sudden, start posting and celebrating being the' best team in London'.
I would say how the mighty have fallen, but as we all know, they were never that mighty.
Must turn on sky for the parade and buy the dvd.


Spurs now have their future mapped out..... yeah, because it's that easy.
Ye will have a nice new stadium though.
Maybe ye will win the nicest stadium award and have a parade around it....wont that be nice.

Who pissed on your cornflakes this morning? I don't think Spurs ever claimed to be mighty. They are the top placed London team this season and that is a fact, another certain London club has celebrated finishing above Spurs for years so it's all just a bit of fun. Maybe lighten up a bit there buddy.

Quazzie

Man Utd

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Thread gets busy when a couple of spurs fans, all of a sudden, start posting and celebrating being the' best team in London'.
I would say how the mighty have fallen, but as we all know, they were never that mighty.
Must turn on sky for the parade and buy the dvd.


Spurs now have their future mapped out..... yeah, because it's that easy.
Ye will have a nice new stadium though.
Maybe ye will win the nicest stadium award and have a parade around it....wont that be nice.

They'll be able to watch the DVDs on their big screens. Reportedly the biggest screens in any stadium in Europe.

KingdomYid

Quazzie wrote: »

They'll be able to watch the DVDs on their big screens. Reportedly the biggest screens in any stadium in Europe.

The biggest stadium in North London also, isn't that superb haha. Enjoy your Thursday night games next season

greenspurs

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Thread gets busy when a couple of spurs fans, all of a sudden, start posting and celebrating being the' best team in London'.
I would say how the mighty have fallen, but as we all know, they were never that mighty.
Must turn on sky for the parade and buy the dvd.


Spurs now have their future mapped out..... yeah, because it's that easy.
Ye will have a nice new stadium though.
Maybe ye will win the nicest stadium award and have a parade around it....wont that be nice.

HAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Bitter much ???
Don't eat so much sour grapes ! Chokers ..
COYS .

Tom Mann Centuria

Liverpool

Quazzie wrote: »

They'll be able to watch the DVDs on their big screens. Reportedly the biggest screens in any stadium in Europe.

And it'll have a cheese room. To remember their working class roots.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

Chelsea can still win an FA Cup lads. If they do that's more than Spurs have won this season. Maybe tone down the celebrations until after the final?