General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Corholio

Morrison J wrote: »

Fabian Delph is the extremely rare case of an English international being underrated as a player by the media. Excellent player.

Underrated in what way though? He won't be starting for Man City or England on a regular basis. Hardly kicked a ball since he went to City from Villa. He's a good player of course, was stand out at Villa in dire times but I don't see any underrating at all imo.

Morrison J

Corholio wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

Fabian Delph is the extremely rare case of an English international being underrated as a player by the media. Excellent player.

Underrated in what way though? He won't be starting for Man City or England on a regular basis. Hardly kicked a ball since he went to City from Villa. He's a good player of course, was stand out at Villa in dire times but I don't see any underrating at all imo.

He's a better footballer then the likes of Henderson, Stones, Chamberlain etc who were lauded by the British media as the next generation for England really. Delph never really gets the same respect imo despite being superior. Injury problems haven't helped to be fair.

I remember him getting linked to Liverpool before he went to City and the outcry against the signing from Liverpool fans on social media was amazing. He'd be a great addition to their squad if fit.

Corholio

Morrison J wrote: »

He's a better footballer then the likes of Henderson, Stones, Chamberlain etc who were lauded by the British media as the next generation for England really. Delph never really gets the same respect imo despite being superior. Injury problems haven't helped to be fair.

I remember him getting linked to Liverpool before he went to City and the outcry against the signing from Liverpool fans on social media was amazing. He'd be a great addition to their squad if fit.

He's been playing for Villa, a team who ended up getting relegated and has hardly played for City, a lot of of the time he hasn't even made the matchday squad. Whatever about Chamberlain, Henderson and Stones have been playing premier league and European football week in and out. Delph is a good player, but he hasn't got near playing the consistency at the players mentioned, and not at the same level either.

ERG89

Don't understand leaving 5 defenders on 1-0 down at home, Willian has been woeful since he came on too.

Utopia Parkway

Morrison J wrote: »

He's a better footballer then the likes of Henderson, Stones, Chamberlain etc who were lauded by the British media as the next generation for England really. Delph never really gets the same respect imo despite being superior. Injury problems haven't helped to be fair.

I remember him getting linked to Liverpool before he went to City and the outcry against the signing from Liverpool fans on social media was amazing. He'd be a great addition to their squad if fit.

Delph is alright. let's not lose our minds here.

The Talking Bread

Everton

ERG89 wrote: »

Don't understand leaving 5 defenders on 1-0 down at home, Willian has been woeful since he came on too.

He literally just walked into 3 City players there when he had possession and lost possession when he could easily have made a bit of space instead! It was almost like he wanted to do it the hard way!

Morrison J

Corholio wrote: »

He's been playing for Villa, a team who ended up getting relegated and has hardly played for City, a lot of of the time he hasn't even made the matchday squad. Whatever about Chamberlain, Henderson and Stones have been playing premier league and European football week in and out. Delph is a good player, but he hasn't got near playing the consistency at the players mentioned, and not at the same level either.

Do you only judge a player by the team they play for? My eyes tell me Delph is a better player. He's got far more quality then someone like Henderson and if "consistency" is a defining factor then you must be watching a different version of Jordan Henderson.

Morrison J

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Delph is alright. let's not lose our minds here.

Nobody losing their minds here. I'm not saying he's going to win the Ballon d'Or but he's a rare case of an English player being underrated by their media. Even when he was a consistent starter for the national team under Hodgson.

thelad95

Shoutout between the Manchester clubs for the title now, I wonder could it be decided on goal difference?

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

The man who supposedly can't organise a defence is doing a pretty good job of it so far.

The Talking Bread

Everton

thelad95 wrote: »

Shoutout between the Manchester clubs for the title now, I wonder could it be decided on goal difference?

Yeah, if they finish on the same points in 8 months time it could do............

martyos121

Liverpool

Morrison J wrote: »

Do you only judge a player by the team they play for? My eyes tell me Delph is a better player. He's got far more quality then someone like Henderson and if "consistency" is a defining factor then you must be watching a different version of Jordan Henderson.

Delph is more consistent than Henderson. The problem there is that Delph's best performance wouldn't hold a candle to Henderson's, only reason he's struggled in the past year or so is because of a chronic heel injury that can't be cured. He's hitting form again though. To be fair, even a lot of Liverpool fans were slating Henderson lately, but he's playing through pain most weeks and that's rarely taken into account.

He's a far better midfielder than Delph, even if I look at it completely unbiased.

Berserker

thelad95 wrote: »

Shoutout between the Manchester clubs for the title now, I wonder could it be decided on goal difference?

Yeah, United v City for the title, by the looks of things but Chelsea and Spurs will be on their heels. Can't see past the four of them for the CL spots.

Corholio

Morrison J wrote: »

Do you only judge a player by the team they play for? My eyes tell me Delph is a better player. He's got far more quality then someone like Henderson and if "consistency" is a defining factor then you must be watching a different version of Jordan Henderson.

Well considering I follow one of those clubs, I think I can pass reasonable judgment on a player. Delph is a good centre midfielder, but he wouldn't get in ahead of Henderson for Liverpool imo. Delph was hugely inconsistent for Villa before the last 7-8 months of his time there. He has hardly played any football at City since to be seen as underrated. He was a quota player there with a ridiculous release clause that Villa messed up on.

mickmackey1

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, United v City for the title, by the looks of things but Chelsea and Spurs will be on their heels. Can't see past the four of them for the CL spots.

Too soon to say, considering Utd's fixture list has been ridiculously easy.

Jayop

Everton

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Too soon to say, considering Utd's fixture list has been ridiculously easy.

It was easy but we're 6 points up on the equivalent fixtures last year. City are rightly favorites and we won't be considered anyone's favs until we play a few of last year's top sides.

blueser

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Very good player, wasted in the City squad as a home grown quota squad member for the last few seasons but it depends what your standard of "excellent" is when describing him .

Pep seems to trust him though

He hasn't let us down in this last few games, that's for sure. And Pep has been fulsome in his praise for him. As for comparing Delph to Henderson, they're totally different types of players. Henderson's best performance would be ahead of Delph's. But Henderson seems to be a very inconsistent player. When he's good, he's very good. But he can be anonymous in games as well.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Way too early to be calling it a two horse race when there's still such disparity in fixture difficulty.

Chelsea have faced Spurs, City Arsenal so far. By far the toughest run of the likely top 6 sides.

United have yet to face a side in the current top 10 which is a an unbelievably soft run of fixtures 7 games in.

City have faced a couple of the big sides now and have been dominant in those wins so they're current position looks far more realistic and sustainable.

bill66

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Kanes form I assume is a worry for spurs fans

Yup:D

Morrison J

martyos121 wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

Do you only judge a player by the team they play for? My eyes tell me Delph is a better player. He's got far more quality then someone like Henderson and if "consistency" is a defining factor then you must be watching a different version of Jordan Henderson.

Delph is more consistent than Henderson. The problem there is that Delph's best performance wouldn't hold a candle to Henderson's, only reason he's struggled in the past year or so is because of a chronic heel injury that can't be cured. He's hitting form again though. To be fair, even a lot of Liverpool fans were slating Henderson lately, but he's playing through pain most weeks and that's rarely taken into account.

He's a far better midfielder than Delph, even if I look at it completely unbiased.

Fair enough. I'll agree to disagree. I suppose that's what I mean by him being underrated in my opinion. Public perception is that he's not in that class where as I'd see him being as good or probably better then the likes of Henderson.

shamrock55

City are gonna win this league at a canter,Chelsea 2nd,spurs 3rd,Liverpool 4th

The Talking Bread

Everton

shamrock55 wrote: »

City are gonna win this league at a canter,Chelsea 2nd,spurs 3rd,Liverpool 4th

As a United fan, I agree. Won't be at a canter but yesterday was a big result.

They won't be far off Championship League also

The Talking Bread

Everton

Oops just seen your 2, 3,4 ! There is not a hope Liverpool are finishing ahead of Utd this season if they continue leaking silly goals.
For example, look at their corners conceded to goals conceded ratio! And they can't even take a corner themselves!

Routine stuff.

You think Utd would concede so easily at corners and/or long balls.

And you can't bring in the argument they score enough goals to offset this................because they don't. Sure, they create a lot of chances, but their chances/shots to goals ratio is poor.

bill66

Everton

bill66 wrote: »

Yup:D

Lol it was august I suspect

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

shamrock55 wrote: »

City are gonna win this league at a canter,Chelsea 2nd,spurs 3rd,Liverpool 4th

United not in top 4? Yeh ok.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Alexis not going over to congratulate Iwobi was poor form. Phenomenal footballer but attitude is not what it should be right now.

lertsnim

shamrock55 wrote: »

City are gonna win this league at a canter,Chelsea 2nd,spurs 3rd,Liverpool 4th

Liverpool? Not with that defense.

The Talking Bread

Everton

Rekop dog wrote: »

Alexis not going over to congratulate Iwobi was poor form. Phenomenal footballer but attitude is not what it should be right now.

That's what you took from that goal!!

bill66

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Lol it was august I suspect

Yes, I believe it was. A month is a long time in football.

Headshot

That Arsenal match has been an awful watch.

JPA

Everton cut apart, Hendrick 0-1

Jayop

Everton

Great football in the build up.

Berserker

JPA wrote: »

Everton cut apart, Hendrick 0-1

Lovely bit of football, wasn't it. Interesting to see how Everton are going to get back into this. They are so slow in the final third.

Jayop

Everton

Their defense is a joke.

Esse85

Berserker wrote: »

Lovely bit of football, wasn't it. Interesting to see how Everton are going to get back into this. They are so slow in the final third.

Schneidlin takes too many touches on the ball and slows everything down.

Final ball so far has been absolutely dreadful.

Harry Palmr

What the feck is going on at Everton, I don't recall Soton being slow under Keoman.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Sean Dyche is doing an amazing job with Burnley and deserves a lot more credit.



Great for the Irish players in his squad as well.

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote:

Sean Dyche is doing an amazing job with Burnley and deserves a lot more credit.

Koeman on the other hand......

Harry Palmr

Burnley are this seasons giant killers (and nuisances when they draw).

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

ERG89 wrote: »

Koeman on the other hand......

Burnley have shown what sticking with a manager can do for you even if that includes getting relegated they used the the PL money & parachute money to rebuild the club completely the first time they came up and went straight back down and trusted Dyche .


To many clubs don't look long term.


Ye but Koeman will get the chop soon if they don't improve quickly.

Osmosis Jones

Liverpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What the feck is going on at Everton, I don't recall Soton being slow under Keoman.

Southampton had Mane on the wing, Everton are playing Sigurdsson there.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sean Dyche is doing an amazing job with Burnley and deserves a lot more credit.



Great for the Irish players in his squad as well.

He has done an unbelievable job. Even after staying up they still struggle to attract players and keep there best players. Its usually the championship where they end up getting players from. When Keane was sold I thought they would struggle but he stuck with what they had and tarkowski has been excellent so far. He has also turned Stephen ward into a very solid LB.

Harry Palmr

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Southampton had Mane on the wing, Everton are playing Sigurdsson there.

What?! that would be like playing Cout...oh!

The Talking Bread

Everton

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

He has done an unbelievable job. Even after staying up they still struggle to attract players and keep there best players. Its usually the championship where they end up getting players from. When Keane was sold I thought they would struggle but he stuck with what they had and tarkowski has been excellent so far. He has also turned Stephen ward into a very solid LB.

Ward has always been pretty solid FB. Decent career at Wolves, rarely missed a game.

To think he used to be a striker!

Unearthly

Everton

Coutinho scores a long range cracker and Liverpool can't defend.

Business as usual

Jayop

Everton

That defense.

Berserker

Unearthly wrote: »

Coutinho scores a long range cracker and Liverpool can't defend.

Sums Liverpool up perfectly alright. Some of their finishing prior to that was hilarious. Think this will end 2-3 or 2-2.

Minderbinder

Poor enough from the Newcastle keeper too for the Liverpool goal.

Berserker

Minderbinder wrote: »

Poor enough from the Newcastle keeper too for the Liverpool goal.

Thought that originally but not on second viewing.

Jayop

Everton

Gomez not yellow carded for a blatant drag back then gets a yellow for a very bad tackle that could have been a red.