General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

martyos121

Liverpool

This job has Frank de Boer written all over it.

I'm probably the only one here who rates him highly as a manager, but he needs a good half season minimum to get things rolling. He wasn't given anywhere close to that in the two jobs he had since he left Ajax, because football club owners have no patience. With the players Leicester have already, his system could work there if given a chance.

They'll probably end up hiring Allardyce though, he's insufferable but you know what you'll get from him.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

callaway92 wrote: »

Seeing how well Ranieri is doing with Nantes, I'm of the opinion he was the main man.

Shakespeare was a big part of getting Ranieri pushed out. Thoroughly dislikable now. Not sorry at all.

Spoofer who had a nice run of it when he took charge. They've been beyond poor for months.

My thoughts exactly.

callaway92

Liverpool

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Sources???

Maybe a bit of research might help here. Shakespeare was and remains one of the most respected figures at the club over the last few years.

It was people like Rudkin and a bit of player power that got Ranieri sacked. As well as the fact he had lost the dressing room, whether his fault or not.

Shakespeare was always going to be a short term solution for a club that has now ambitions to be a top 10 team every season. I imagine deep down he knew that also.

I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed on as coach.

As I said, good coach, not up to the job as manager. But definitely not to be blamed for ranieri's sacking. Ranieri even said that.

I don't give a shít about 'how respected' he was/is in the club.

Sources were all over the place back then. Go google them

The Talking Bread

Everton

callaway92 wrote: »

I don't give a shít about 'how respected' he was/is in the club.

Sources were all over the place back then. Go google them

Chill.

Google "speculation"? No, you are grand.

I'll take the word of closer sources like almost 99% of Leicester fans than @MickyMouse on twitter.

callaway92

Liverpool

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Chill.

Google "speculation"? No, you are grand.

I'll take the word of closer sources like almost 99% of Leicester fans than @MickyMouse on twitter.

Good man

eh i dunno

Hopefully Leicester go looking for koeman

Berserker

eh i dunno wrote: »

Hopefully Leicester go looking for koeman

Everton fan looking to get rid of him?

eh i dunno

Berserker wrote: »

Everton fan looking to get rid of him?

Yep

Jayop

Everton

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Chris Coleman could be the man for the job. Might want a new challenge now and won't be underpaid there

Good shout. Even Strachen is probably looking to get back into club management but I don't see him landing this one.

Trigger

Liverpool

Arry till the end of the season and then the Rodgers from June/July

The Talking Bread

Everton

Jayop wrote: »

Good shout. Even Strachen is probably looking to get back into club management but I don't see him landing this one.

I think Gordon needs a lie down for a few months following his reactionary comments after missing out on a playoff place!

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Dyche is who they should go all out for. Hoping that doesn't happen though.

Jayop

Everton

I didn't read anything after his comments about the Scots being too small.

Jayop

Everton

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Dyche is who they should go all out for. Hoping that doesn't happen though.

Hmm. If you're Sean Dyche do you take a gamble on that or wait it out at Burnley for another while, try to climb the league and have a cup run and see if he can get a bigger club.

I really really rate him as a manager, doing an amazing job with Burnley, but where could he go? Everton would probably be the biggest club that he might get a shot at.

Berserker

eh i dunno wrote: »

Yep

Who do you want to replace him at Everton?

The Talking Bread

Everton

Berserker wrote: »

Who do you want to replace him at Everton?

Craig Shakespeare

eh i dunno

Berserker wrote: »

Who do you want to replace him at Everton?

Anyone at this stage.

Would go for ancellotti and if not I'd give it to unsworth who's doing great work with under 23s

Lukker-

Ancelotti is taking the rest of the season off afaik

Berserker

eh i dunno wrote: »

Anyone at this stage.

Would go for ancellotti and if not I'd give it to unsworth who's doing great work with under 23s

What about Rafa? I know he's an ex-red but he'd do a great job with you.

eh i dunno

Berserker wrote: »

What about Rafa? I know he's an ex-red but he'd do a great job with you.

Would be ideal but for his history. Same could be said for brendan rodgers.

ERG89

Berserker wrote:

What about Rafa? I know he's an ex-red but he'd do a great job with you.

Even if he wants to he has a shı­tty contract with Newcastle where he'd have to pay like 6 million to get out of it.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Jayop wrote: »

Hmm. If you're Sean Dyche do you take a gamble on that or wait it out at Burnley for another while, try to climb the league and have a cup run and see if he can get a bigger club.

I really really rate him as a manager, doing an amazing job with Burnley, but where could he go? Everton would probably be the biggest club that he might get a shot at.

Tough one his stock is very high at the minute. As you say Everton is probably the best he could hope for. Leicester while a step up from Burnley would be a dangerous job to take. The board are trigger happy and the players have to have questions asked of them as they seem to be able to turn their form on and off like a tap.

Jayop

Everton

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Tough one his stock is very high at the minute. As you say Everton is probably the best he could hope for. Leicester while a step up from Burnley would be a dangerous job to take. The board are trigger happy and the players have to have questions asked of them as they seem to be able to turn their form on and off like a tap.

That's the thing. Maybe he's better to stick where he is, get them in the top half which would be a brilliant achievement and a decent cup run. Koeman won't last and Everton is a very attractive job. Would Everton fans be happy with him? I think with the better players at Everton he's going to play a different style of football but still be solid as. Probably a bit like Noyes of that era and that's not being smart arsed.

Jayop

Everton

Jayop wrote: »

That's the thing. Maybe he's better to stick where he is, get them in the top half which would be a brilliant achievement and a decent cup run. Koeman won't last and Everton is a very attractive job. Would Everton fans be happy with him? I think with the better players at Everton he's going to play a different style of football but still be solid as. Probably a bit like Noyes of that era and that's not being smart arsed.

Just on this. What's the very best a manager like him could hope for and what's the best job outside of the unachievable top 6 for a current English manager?

What would the likes of Dyche have to do to get one of the top 6 jobs? Say Wenger leaves at the end of next season, how could he get that job? Would he and his clearly excellent organizational ability be able to take the attacking verve of arsenal and add a spine?

eagle eye

All this stuff about Koeman is a bit ott imo.
I think he is doing a fine job. It hasn't worked out early this season but he lost a top class striker, is without Coleman and Bolasie and lost a couple of defenders for a few games too.
The youth players at the club have clearly started to develop with Calvert-Lewin looking like a superstar in the making and Tom Davies looking like a great one for the future.
I think if he gets a bit of time there he will make them a real contender for honours in the near future.

Paully D

Everton's problem IMO is that they've bought a bunch of good players with real idea how to use them or without a clear plan in mind.

Also, the majority of the players they have bought are "good" but not next level to allow them to fight for the top 4 or finish higher than 7th.

eh i dunno

eagle eye wrote: »

All this stuff about Koeman is a bit ott imo.
I think he is doing a fine job. It hasn't worked out early this season but he lost a top class striker, is without Coleman and Bolasie and lost a couple of defenders for a few games too.
The youth players at the club have clearly started to develop with Calvert-Lewin looking like a superstar in the making and Tom Davies looking like a great one for the future.
I think if he gets a bit of time there he will make them a real contender for honours in the near future.

Ott? Have you watched all 15 Everton games this season? I have and they've been a disgrace. He's spent 200m this year and we've got 5 league goals this season.

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

All this stuff about Koeman is a bit ott imo.
I think he is doing a fine job. It hasn't worked out early this season but he lost a top class striker,

Typically what a good manager does in that scenario is replace the striker with other strikers, instead of a billion attacking midfielders.

Bridge93

Liverpool

Honestly don't know how anyone can dress up Everton and Koeman this season as anything other then awful. Tough start can be forgiven but not the last few easier games. Even those hard early ones aren't good enough if top 4 was their aim with these signings

citytillidie

Saturday 2 December

12:30 Chelsea v Newcastle (Sky Sports)
17:30 Arsenal v Man Utd (BT Sport) :eek: Sky giving up this fixture

Sunday 3 December

13:30 AFC Bournemouth v Southampton (Sky Sports)
16:00 Man City v West Ham (Sky Sports)

Saturday 9 December

12:30 West Ham v Chelsea (Sky Sports)
17:30 Newcastle v Leicester (BT Sport)

Sunday 10 December

12:00 Southampton v Arsenal (BT Sport)
14:15 Liverpool v Everton (Sky Sports)
16:30 Man Utd v Man City (Sky Sports)

Tuesday 12 December

20:00 Huddersfield Town v Chelsea (BT Sport)

Wednesday 13 December

19:45 Swansea City v Man City
20:00 Man Utd v AFC Bournemouth
Both further to Manchester derby moving to 10 December

20:00 West Ham v Arsenal (BT Sport)

Saturday 16 December

12:30 Leicester City v Crystal Palace (Sky Sports)
Subject to change dependent on EFL Cup 5th round participation

17:30 Man City v Spurs (BT Sport)

Sunday 17 December

14:15 West Brom v Man Utd (Sky Sports)
Subject to change dependent on Everton and/or Swansea reaching EFL Cup 5th round

16:30 AFC Bournemouth v Liverpool (Sky Sports)

Monday 18 December

20:00 Everton v Swansea (Sky Sports)
Subject to change dependent on Everton and/or Swansea reaching EFL Cup 5th round

Friday 22 December

19:45 Arsenal v Liverpool (Sky Sports)

Saturday 23 December

12:30 Everton v Chelsea (Sky Sports)
17:30 Burnley v Spurs (BT Sport)
19:45 Leicester City v Man Utd (Sky Sports)

Tuesday 26 December

12:30 Spurs v Southampton (Sky Sports)
17:30 Liverpool v Swansea (Sky Sports)

Wednesday 27 December

19:45 Newcastle United v Man City (Sky Sports)

Thursday 28 December

20:00 Crystal Palace v Arsenal (Sky Sports)
Because of their selection on 28 December, neither Arsenal nor Crystal Palace will play on 30 December.

Later fixtures will be broadcast as soon as possible.

lassykk

citytillidie wrote: »

December Fixtures

Apart from Liverpool Arsenal on 22 December there's nothing too exciting jumping out for over Christmas is there?

Arsenal Chelsea certainty to be on tv on New Years day and probably Everton United too

Liamalone

Arsenal

So there's no Christmas eve game? Someone saw sense in the end up then

blueser

So; that's five games we've had shifted in december alone. Bit of a pisser for any fans travelling a distance who had already made travel arrangements.

Jayop

Everton

Liamalone wrote: »

So there's no Christmas eve game? Someone saw sense in the end up then

Was a joke! Thankfully it's not going ahead.

Only 1 United game over the Christmas sucks a bit!

The Talking Bread

Everton

Jayop wrote: »

Was a joke! Thankfully it's not going ahead.

Only 1 United game over the Christmas sucks a bit!

They will be playing 23rd, 26th, 29th/30th and 1st of January.

Same amount as normal

EDIT, actually I think you meant on tv, yeah?

Trigger

Liverpool

The Talking Bread wrote: »

They will be playing 23rd, 26th, 29th/30th and 1st of January.

Same amount as normal

EDIT, actually I think you meant on tv, yeah?

United will always be available on one of the American/Canadian channels so it will be easy enough to watch

Jayop

Everton

The Talking Bread wrote: »

They will be playing 23rd, 26th, 29th/30th and 1st of January.

Same amount as normal

EDIT, actually I think you meant on tv, yeah?

Yeah that's what I meant. I have access to all games so I'm OK but for others less techy or less willing to get into streaming etc it sucks.

suffering golfer

Liverpool

blueser wrote: »

So; that's five games we've had shifted in december alone. Bit of a pisser for any fans travelling a distance who had already made travel arrangements.

Jayop wrote: »

Was a joke! Thankfully it's not going ahead.

Only 1 United game over the Christmas sucks a bit!

Two answer both, only to be expected as the bigger and more attractive playing teams would be in demand for TV :P

2 or 3 of those games were no brainers to be moved and think the travelling fans would have already anticipated that.

The Watford and West Ham games moves does surprise me a little I have to say.

citytillidie

Jayop wrote: »

Was a joke! Thankfully it's not going ahead.

Only 1 United game over the Christmas sucks a bit!

Both Manchester teams will be on BT over the New Years weekend

Dec 30th Man Utd V Southampton - 5:30pm
Dec 31st Crystal Palace V Man City - 12pm

Harry Palmr

Retrospective diving ban first case............................is not in the Prem. A Carlisle player has been convicted.

Everton

Convicted?!
Harsh :pac:

Jayop

Everton

citytillidie wrote: »

Both Manchester teams will be on BT over the New Years weekend

Dec 30th Man Utd V Southampton - 5:30pm
Dec 31st Crystal Palace V Man City - 12pm

5.30 on news years eve is a lovely time for an armchair fan!!

The Talking Bread

Everton

That's not New Years 5!

The Talking Bread

Everton

*Eve

davycc

Man City

Brighton well deserved the 1 nil at west ham new shed. Will be a huge result if they can hold on for the 3pts as sadly Houghton team have yet to win a away game in the lge or cup this season

Esse85

West Ham been dire so far.

davycc

Man City

Pick that out Joe Hart.

West ham were crazy to sell Randolph and get Hart , England's number 1 lol

Esse85

Joe Hart at fault there, should of used his right hand to save that not his left.

davycc

Man City

Esse85 wrote: »

Joe Hart at fault there, should of used his right hand to save that not his left.

Thought that exactly myself, he went for the Hollywood save and made a balls of it on his wrong side

Rekop dog

Spurs

Nice side Hughton has put together at Brighton. Good combination of skill and steel. They should be fine this year, far worse sides in the league.