General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Everton

Just to add, Both Arsenals and Spurs results are as bad or worse than Utds results away from home to the top 6 sides over the last 5 years+
Any comments on that?

greendom

Liverpool

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Just to add, Both Arsenals and Spurs results are as bad or worse than Utds results away from home to the top 6 sides over the last 5 years+
Any comments on that?

Wenger and Arsenal receive lots of criticism for their poor recent record against the top 6. It's only fair that Mourinho and United receive the same criticism

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Klopp receives it for dropping points to weaker teams.


Each manager gets criticism.

Skylinehead

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Just to add, Both Arsenals and Spurs results are as bad or worse than Utds results away from home to the top 6 sides over the last 5 years+
Any comments on that?

Uh yeah, reams and reams of newspaper columns. I'd say you're blind if you haven't seen any comments on Arsenals away record against big sides!

greendom

Everton

greendom wrote: »

Wenger and Arsenal receive lots of criticism for their poor recent record against the top 6. It's only fair that Mourinho and United receive the same criticism

Oh I agree. Just haven't seen it in this thread. Just thought I'd drop it in

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Think I seen a stat online and I'm not sure if its true but no team has had a bigger lead after 11 games than Man City currently have, if they keep it up they'll smash all types of records.

I think they'll beat the most points, most wins and most goals in a season.

Skylinehead

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Oh I agree. Just haven't seen it in this thread. Just thought I'd drop it in

Arsenal fans aren't moaning about their manager coming under scrutiny, I'd guess that's the diffference.

Skylinehead

Everton

Skylinehead wrote: »

Arsenal fans aren't moaning about their manager coming under scrutiny, I'd guess that's the diffference.

Probably because he's been **** for 5+ years now

Skylinehead

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Probably because he's been **** for 5+ years now

Tell us more of this gripping insight :pac:

Skylinehead

Everton

Skylinehead wrote: »

Tell us more of this gripping insight :pac:

No bother!

Islander13

GavRedKing wrote: »

Think I seen a stat online and I'm not sure if its true but no team has had a bigger lead after 11 games than Man City currently have, if they keep it up they'll smash all types of records.

I think they'll beat the most points, most wins and most goals in a season.

On track for 133 goals!

~Rebel~

GavRedKing wrote: »

Think I seen a stat online and I'm not sure if its true but no team has had a bigger lead after 11 games than Man City currently have, if they keep it up they'll smash all types of records.

I think they'll beat the most points, most wins and most goals in a season.

They really are incredible. Just slicing open otherwise defensively resolute teams with ease. The teamwork, movement, passing, pressing.. it's all so perfectly in sync, and all without a superstar Messi/Ronaldo in the side.

I think it might be the most impressively balanced team I've seen in the past 20 or 30 years, since that great Milan team (at least, for right now, while everything is clicking that is!)

blueser

Islander13 wrote: »

On track for 133 goals!

If you're counting just PL goals, we'd need 97 more from 27 games. That's nearly 4 goals per game. In my humble opinion, there's no chance of us getting to that mark. Opposition sides will learn how to park the bus more effectively against us. We won't keep on banging in 3s, 4s and 5s like we have been doing. The 100 goal mark might be slightly more achievable (a smidgin under 2.5 goals per game).

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Just to add, Both Arsenals and Spurs results are as bad or worse than Utds results away from home to the top 6 sides over the last 5 years+
Any comments on that?

What do you think of utds results and approach to games away at top 6 teams under Jose.

I hope he sticks to his approach!

GavRedKing

Liverpool

It must be hard being an Everton fan, with big Sam apparently being the most likely candidate, I'd be seriously disappointed but West Ham have out done them by going and appointing Moyes.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

David Moyes and Stuart Pearce is looking like the football dark ages for West Ham a team who once won the World Cup.

Rekop dog

Spurs

GavRedKing wrote: »

It must be hard being an Everton fan, with big Sam apparently being the most likely candidate, I'd be seriously disappointed but West Ham have out done them by going and appointing Moyes.

I've seen a lot of people lump them in the same category today. V unfair on Sam. One has been a big success nearly everywhere, the other has failed badly in his last three jobs.

Unearthly

Everton

The one positive about Moyes is that he brings Man Utd and Liverpool fans together in agreement. That takes some doing

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Depends on how you judge success.

Moyes has been more successful than Big Sam in the PL.


Moyes PL record 14 seasons.
Matches 499
Wins 196
Draws 135
Losses 168
Goals For 653
Goals Against 612

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/2067/David-Moyes/overview


Big Sam's PL record 15 seasons.
Matches 488
Wins 165
Draws 131
Losses 192
Goals For 579
Goals Against 668

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/2049/Sam-Allardyce/overview

Rekop dog

Spurs

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Depends on how you judge success.

Moyes has been more successful than Big Sam in the PL.


Moyes PL record 14 seasons.
Matches 499
Wins 196
Draws 135
Losses 168
Goals For 653
Goals Against 612


Big Sam's PL record 15 seasons.
Matches 488
Wins 165
Draws 131
Losses 192
Goals For 579
Goals Against 668

It's all relative to the ability of the teams they managed so comparing win rates is madness. United and Everton are obviously going to win more games than Bolton and Sunderland regardless of who's managing them.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's all relative to the ability of the teams they managed so comparing win rates is madness. United and Everton are obviously going to win more games than Bolton and Sunderland regardless of who's managing them.

The only team out of place there is Utd just like the England job is for Big Sam.



Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Palace, Blackburn & Bolton when managed by both there really wouldn't be a huge difference between budgets players etc.


Saying that I wouldn't want either anywhere near a club I supported.

pjohnson

Style over substance and "moral victories" are embarassing fashionable trends tgis season.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The only team out of place there is Utd just like the England job is for Big Sam.



Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Palace, Blackburn & Bolton when managed by both there really wouldn't be a huge difference between budgets players etc.


Saying that I wouldn't want either anywhere near a club I supported.

Sam has joined most teams when they've either been in the Championship or struggling in relegation zones. He improved all their win rates drastically to get them promoted or keep them safe. Newcastle aside where he wasn't given money to spend or fair chance he's taken all his clubs to their realistic peak based on budgetary constraints so you can't ask more than that.

Moyes largely did similar at Everton for a long time but has struggled badly since. Personally think the United job was too big for his personality and that' failure has had massive impact on his confidence and he cuts a unconvincing figure now.

Paully D

Allardyce is a superb manager.

He's on another level to Moyes.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Paully D wrote: »

Allardyce is a superb manager.

He's on another level to Moyes.

It's funny, fans hate him when he arrives at their club but miss him when he's gone.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people lump them in the same category today. V unfair on Sam. One has been a big success nearly everywhere, the other has failed badly in his last three jobs.

My point was more to do with the fact that if I was an Everton fan, I'd hope the club would be a bit ambitious and would be aiming for someone better than Sam and not looking for a short term solution.

They could have left Unsowrth in charge, they wont go down and they wont finish in the European places under Unsworth or Sam for that matter and could have thrown money at a manager in the summer after the WC instead of being hamstrung with a manager they'll replace in 3 years, max.

HalloweenJack

Rekop dog wrote: »

I've seen a lot of people lump them in the same category today. V unfair on Sam. One has been a big success nearly everywhere, the other has failed badly in his last three jobs.

Allardyce's success is relative, though.

Bolton was by far his crowning achievement as he got them into Europe and had the club punching above its weight. Look at how they've fallen since.

He can establish teams in the PL and keep them up but, apart from Bolton, he hasn't achieved more. If I were an Everton fan, I'd be ok with him if it was to guarantee survival. I don't think he's the man to take them further up the table.

And, in fairness, what exactly is wrong with having ambition and wanting to move up the table? Whether it be Everton or West Ham.

Meanwhile Moyes has shown nothing whatsoever since he left Everton. He's not in the same league at all. For all the talk of ambition at West Ham, Moyes seems like ten backward steps.

Paully D

Everton

Paully D wrote: »

Allardyce is a superb manager.

He's on another level to Moyes.

Alot of people dislike him for absolutely no reason IMO
I'd agree, would be miles better than Moyes

JPA

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Alot of people dislike him for absolutely no reason IMO
I'd agree, would be miles better than Moyes

He has a loathsome personality, that's why people dislike him.

JPA

Everton

JPA wrote: »

He has a loathsome personality, that's why people dislike him.

Really, why?

Rekop dog

Spurs

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Allardyce's success is relative, though.

Bolton was by far his crowning achievement as he got them into Europe and had the club punching above its weight. Look at how they've fallen since.

He can establish teams in the PL and keep them up but, apart from Bolton, he hasn't achieved more. If I were an Everton fan, I'd be ok with him if it was to guarantee survival. I don't think he's the man to take them further up the table.

And, in fairness, what exactly is wrong with having ambition and wanting to move up the table? Whether it be Everton or West Ham.

Meanwhile Moyes has shown nothing whatsoever since he left Everton. He's not in the same league at all. For all the talk of ambition at West Ham, Moyes seems like ten backward steps.

Bolton falling since is a sign of how good he was to have a traditionally lower league side up in the higher part of the premier league.

Really shocked at how people can't see how close to impossible it is for a side like that to go any further realistically. In any of the top leagues it's extremely rare for a lower sides to finish top 4. Like Leicester were a crazy anomaly. Aside from them has there even been a top 4 shock in England in the last 20 years?? It just doesn't happen. If Guardiola or Mourinho went to a Bolton on a substandard budget they wouldn't get them into top 4.

retalivity

Its amazing that there has been no mention at all of allardyces dodgy dealings that got him sacked from the england job. Hes been going round the houses on motd, sky, newspaper articles etc, not once has it been brought as a reason not to hire him, even though it was little over a year ago.

I guess the english press & chairmen are willing to give him a pass for creaming off the top, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

GreNoLi

Liverpool

What a horrible appointment by the hammers, Moyes is the definition of a busted flush, he'll be sacked before the season is over, everton dodged a bullet.

Great to see two legends back in the hot seat, especially Moysie.

kevthegaff

Don't get the big Sam hate, considering he managed a poor irish league team also..

Harry Palmr

Has a baleful Moysie told the world that West Ham are in a relegation dog-fight yet?

JPA

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Really, why?

Extraordinarily arrogant and plagued by questionable dealings his whole career.

~Rebel~

retalivity wrote: »

Its amazing that there has been no mention at all of allardyces dodgy dealings that got him sacked from the england job. Hes been going round the houses on motd, sky, newspaper articles etc, not once has it been brought as a reason not to hire him, even though it was little over a year ago.

I guess the english press & chairmen are willing to give him a pass for creaming off the top, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

I think there's since been a general appreciation of the fact that those comments were more crass and extremely bad PR, than any actual wrongdoing.

It all looked bad, rather than being bad.

JohnFalstaff

JPA wrote: »

Extraordinarily arrogant and plagued by questionable dealings his whole career.

Allardici... Arrogant? Ah Big Sam's alright, the dodgy dealings are part of the charm, along with the pint of wine.

wadacrack

Is their a list of the 3-m KO on Sky Ireland anywhere?

citytillidie

Monday 1 January 2018
Brighton 12:30 AFC Bournemouth - Sky Sports
Everton 17:30 Man Utd - Sky Sports

Tuesday 2 January 2018
Swansea 19:45 Spurs - Sky Sports

Wednesday 3 January 2018
Arsenal 19:45 Chelsea - Sky Sports

Saturday 13 January 2018
Spurs 17:30 Everton - BT Sport

Sunday 14 January 2018
AFC Bournemouth 13:30 Arsenal - Sky Sports
Liverpool 16:00 Man City - Sky Sports

Monday 15 January 2018
Man Utd 20:00 Stoke - Sky Sports

Saturday 20 January 2018
Brighton 12:30 Chelsea - Sky Sports
Man City 17:30 Newcastle - BT Sport

Sunday 21 January 2018
Southampton 16:00 Spurs - Sky Sports

Monday 22 January 2018
Swansea 20:00 Liverpool - Sky Sports

Tuesday 30 January 2018
Huddersfield 20:00 Liverpool - BT Sport

Wednesday 31 January 2018
Spurs 20:00 Man Utd - BT Sport

eagle eye

Just because he got a little more press coverage suggesting dodgy dealings doesn't mean he was that bad.
Like those same rumours were around about Alex Ferguson, Harry Redknapp, and his dog! and plenty of other managers too but you hear people bring it up about Allardyce all the time.
As for the cocky bit, I just don't get that. I always considered him a straight talker and the one about being able to manage Real Madrid and the likes was him pulling the piss out of a journo for asking a stupid question but that journo then ran with the story like Sam was serious.

Paully D

https://twitter.com/nsno_83/status/929481283134263296

:pac::pac::pac:

thomasj

Sky sports have just tweeted that Chris Coleman has resigned as Welsh boss and agreed to take over as manager of sunderland

Rekop dog

Spurs

Hello decent club football, oh how we've missed you.

DM_7

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42022871

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8m8 minutes ago
More
Saturday night matches look to be coming to the Premier League.

Club chairmen have voted for more televised fixtures.

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/931667981213552643


Just daring people to ditch paying to watch on TV now. More games equals more cost for fans.

GreNoLi

Liverpool

Time to drown our sorrows with some red hot 'best league in the world TM' action.

The north London derby's first up, can't see beyond a win for the north London side.

ERG89

I have so little confidence in Wenger now I'm pleasantly surprised he's started Lacazette. Then again Giroud is out so his options were more limited.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Poch my favourite character of the big six managers. He seems unassuming and never makes anything about him.